Porsche challenges C-charge rise

[SpookTheHamster]

Dont know about your neck of the woods, but in south London, buses are never empty.

You need frequent, and good quality public transport as an incentive to get people away from cars. Bus use has rises in London in the past 6 years because, well, its much better it used to be. Having frequent services off-peak is important, and I'd argue that they are not running empty.

I rarely catch a bus with more than 5 people on. A study needs to be carried out into the average load of every bus on every route. So many buses take similar routes, often passing through stops at very similar times.

It's probably a little busier further in London, but at the edges it's too much.

 

[Loge]

I rarely catch a bus with more than 5 people on. A study needs to be carried out into the average load of every bus on every route. So many buses take similar routes, often passing through stops at very similar times.

It's probably a little busier further in London, but at the edges it's too much.

In Zone 6, and I find the buses are nearly always full or very busy.

 

[geese]

I rarely catch a bus with more than 5 people on. A study needs to be carried out into the average load of every bus on every route. So many buses take similar routes, often passing through stops at very similar times.

It's probably a little busier further in London, but at the edges it's too much.

Maybe those empty buses get more full as they get further in London?

If those routes arent viable then surely they wouldnt run them?

 

[Evangelion]

Well done for respecting someone else's opinion.

Should we respect those opinions if those opinions are ruining the planet for the rest of us?

 

[Evangelion]

I'm surprised that nobody here has brought up how badly this affects families.

A large family is going to need a large car to get around, something like a Ford Galaxy MPV.

Most familes these days are two adults plus two kids at most. And you could fit those in a VW Golf just fine. Sure, there are families with lots of kids, but you can't design systems like these with fringe-groups in mind. And families with 4+ kids are a fringe.

Is it just me or is it so that every time we get discussion about the intelligence of driving a SUV, a large car or a car with big engine, we get people who drag out the half a dozen people or so who might genuinely have a NEED for such a car and say "well, these people have five kids and they need a car like that!", when fact of the matter is that for 97% of the population, a car with 2+ liter engine, a SUV etc. is complete and utter waste.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

If you live within the zone AND drive one of these cars you can definitely afford the charge.

I am going to say that is not aways the case. That 25 a day if only charged 5 days a week added up to be 6500 a year per.

You forget a lot of people live pay check to pay check. Yes even the rich. Really that 6500 a year per car is even a huge hit to them to have that all of a sudden just start paying. Heck a lot of them could easily be slammed with 13000 a year. That is going to hurt any one a lot. Even if you can afford to live in the zone and drive one of those cars before this tax after words a lot of them will not be able to any more.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Most familes these days are two adults plus two kids at most. And you could fit those in a VW Golf just fine. Sure, there are families with lots of kids, but you can't design systems like these with fringe-groups in mind. And families with 4+ kids are a fringe.

Is it just me or is it so that every time we get discussion about the intelligence of driving a SUV, a large car or a car with big engine, we get people who drag out the half a dozen people or so who might genuinely have a NEED for such a car and say "well, these people have five kids and they need a car like that!", when fact of the matter is that for 97% of the population, a car with 2+ liter engine, a SUV etc. is complete and utter waste.

define kid. Get 2 teenagers the back seat (Hell even one) of a golf starts getting pretty small.

Also might like to point out that if you are a6ft+ those smaller cars really start getting uncomfortable on longer drivers.

 

[geese]

define kid. Get 2 teenagers the back seat (Hell even one) of a golf starts getting pretty small.

Also might like to point out that if you are a6ft+ those smaller cars really start getting uncomfortable on longer drivers.

They can get a VW Passat then, or a Ford Mondeo. They can cope with 5 adults comfortably, and use tyhe same engines as the Golf or the Focus.

Or you can get a more fuel efficient MPV, like a Renault Espace, or a Ford Galaxy.

Although no matter where you drive you'd still have hardly anywhere to park them.