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Yeah, remember Google got busted in Germany for collecting all kinds of information via streetview that wasn't permissible under German law.
And today Facebook have fallen foul of data sharing laws.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34442618
Glad to see that the German Government as well as the European Court of Justice have taken a stand against illegal data collection, and are taking another good long hard look at the 'Safe Harbor' agreement respectively.

Even though the the European's actions may seem like meddling to us, in reality they're doing us all a huge favor, by keeping in check the unbridled flow of private data, that some of the tech giants are so fond of nurturing.
 
So Porsche doesn't want Google stealing its trade secrets? But isn't Apple supposedly working on a car as well? If that's true, then it wouldn't surprise me that one day an article surfaces which states that Apple's CarPlay collects data as well. Then Apple will dismiss it as a "bug", and patch it, just like the location issue on the iPhone a few years ago.

Please tell us what data CarPlay collects, thanks. Does it collect all your personal details, movements, web visits, then push advertising down your throat to bump up their bottom line? Or is the data collected used only for the purposes of discretely allowing location services to connect to apps you actually allow to know your location? I think the difference is in this case is as big as the Grand Canyon. Nice attempt at deflection though. Everybody knows the difference between Apples data collection and googles. Tell me why Google won't sign up to the privacy provisions on data collection that Apple and others do again?
 
There is a big difference between me knowing it and Porsche sending it all to Google as a condition of using Android Play..

And any of it is opt-in. Little if any of the information in the article is accurate. And, just out of curiousity, besides acceleration and g-forces (and maybe the turning of the steering wheel... is that in OBD2?)... exactly what identifiable information are you worried can be taken from your car that isn't already coming from the cell towers?
 
Yeah, clearly Car Play is the deterrent ...

... and not this :D

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Given i currently "have" a super car....what part of that am i meant to think is a deterrent?
Yeah having something i don't want in the car WOULD be a problem. Lots of options when you are ready to spend turbo money on a car!

its not a standard, its an option..
 
They get those statistics from mobile data connections from both Android AND iOS devices. How do you think they manage the real time traffic predictions when you nagivate to somewhere using Gmaps? They don't need OBD2 to know your speed. Simple math and congestion patterns accomplish that.

It's more likely to alert users to imminent or existing car problems (that little check engine light) when problems occur.

OBD2 data is good for diagnostics and performance metrics, both are things you would think people buying a high performance sports car would want access to. I suppose the people commenting here wouldn't know about that and are either posers or simply talking out of their asses.
OBD2 data for car diagnostics doesn't need to be sent back to Google for users to have access to it. Nothing wrong with it staying local. The article states anyway that speed, throttle, and revs are sent as well. The Android and iOS devices (well, maybe only the iOS devices) only send location data to Google when Google Maps is open or active in the background. They'd get more data from the car, and it would be more accurate data too.
 
OBD2 data for car diagnostics doesn't need to be sent back to Google for users to have access to it. Nothing wrong with it staying local. The article states anyway that speed, throttle, and revs are sent as well. The Android and iOS devices (well, maybe only the iOS devices) only send location data to Google when Google Maps is open or active in the background. They'd get more data from the car, and it would be more accurate data too.

I have yet to see where anyone with authority is making these claims. What I see is a blurb in a reputable hard hitting investigative magazine (hah!)... oh wait, I mean Motor Trend, I take back all the previous stuff. I see a blurb in motor trend about another company, that is currently under investigation for emissions fraud, refusing to open up access to performance and diagnostic metrics (that are federally mandated) on their vehicles to a 3rd party accessory to obtain certification.

Google's Android Auto protocol includes OBD2. It doesn't say it does anything with the data. People can assume they're doing nefarious things with the data. Frankly I think every company, as well as government, is monitoring their citizens whereabouts and doing nefarious things with that data. The OBD2 is a feature, because there are apps on both iOS and Android that use that feature. Often times it's with expensive bluetooth dongles.

When I first saw OBD2 on that spec sheet a year ago, I thought about how awesome it'd be not to have to have a bluetooth dongle hanging off my OBD2 port in such a way that I could damage the port by mistake just by getting out of the car. I also thought about how much more "real time" the reads would be, more like the USB dongles that connect to laptops rather than the bluetooth serial connection. I'm with arguably the least evil of the telecoms, and I'm sure they're recording my geoposition as well, so I don't see what having access to my acceleration makes a difference.

I know the default position on these forums is to hate Google. Whatever, it's a mac rumors site. But it'd be nice if the hate was based on fact and not speculation. And the only thing that exists now is speculation.
 
I have yet to see wher.

I know the default position on these forums is to hate Google. Whatever, it's a mac rumors site. But it'd be nice if the hate was based on fact and not speculation. And the only thing that exists now is speculation.

I say good on Porsche for taking this position. if every car was sharing its location, ecu data, etc, with Google. Imagine the analytical possibilities for Google to target advertising even further! Its going to be great. Lolz.

it's a fair statement that Google are out to make money from the data they collect, it sounds like a great model, they piggy back off every car manufacture that installs their system.
 
That's moronic. If their "secret sauce" is able to be determined by an obd2 dump, Google and anyone else could've had it anytime they wanted by buying one or several Porsche cars and lab driving them. Fake stand for the people to justify going with Apple. I would've respected if they just said that they liked apple better to work with or Google didn't come with the money like Apple did or something similar.
 
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Apple and Porsche seems to go great together! Both are proprietary, secretive, premium, and apparently concerned about ethical user data collection.
I guess you've never owned a Porsche. The only thing they have in common with Apple is their premium pricing, but the difference is Apple actually gives you a premium product. ;)

I've owned many cars (40+, 4 of them from Porsche), the worst one was a 997 911 4S cabrio i bought for my gf. Even she thought it was terrible. I still feel sorry for the girl who bought it from me and payed $45k for that POS.
 
Why does Apple need to know how fast we are going when we turn on CarPlay?

Apple doesn't need to know how fast.

Only if moving or not.

Because it's forbidden by law to have tv/movies playing, visible to the driver, while the car is moving.
 
+1 for Apple here..

...but its ok to use Google Maps while driving, u are still looking at a map, even glancing.

However using the act of "its by design how Google works" by grabbing all your search terms is how a search company operates while giving away free services....

I would highly doubt this is a kind of stingy way...... to boost Apple....

I use TomTom all the time as a replacement for my speedo... So in that aspect, i'l rather not use carplay, since i know (a. i'll never buy a new car or b). i'll never get mine fixed neither :(

Its + or - 5mphs difference, doesn't worry me much...
 
I know the default position on these forums is to hate Google. Whatever, it's a mac rumors site. But it'd be nice if the hate was based on fact and not speculation. And the only thing that exists now is speculation.
The article straight up said that Google takes the data. The article may be wrong, but then that's the fault of MacRumors. We're not speculating beyond what the article explicitly states, or at least I'm not.
 
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Just like Apple Pay - only 2 countries support it so far. :confused:
Is the U.S. even one of them? It's so unsupported around my town, Berkeley, CA, that I didn't even bother.

And now (but not before) I still don't want to set it up anyway in case there's a security breach. I've learned to avoid anything that hasn't thoroughly matured if security matters for it.
 
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Is the U.S. even one of them? It's so unsupported around here that I didn't even bother. And now (but not before) I still don't want to set it up anyway in case there's a security breach.

Yes. The US and UK. Nothing else. Apple has a tendency to introduce U.S. only features which expand to other countries really really slowly.

If the system is just like what Apple describes, it is pretty secure.
 
Yes. The US and UK. Nothing else. Apple has a tendency to introduce U.S. only features which expand to other countries really really slowly.

If the system is just like what Apple describes, it is pretty secure.
It's secure in theory. I like how it works. I still won't use it until it's been tried and tested by the masses first. You never know what could go wrong. Heck, look at what happened with OpenSSL and Bash, even after all these years...
 
Apple and Porsche seems to go great together! Both are proprietary, secretive, premium, and apparently concerned about ethical user data collection.

I am not sure how much they are concerned about ethical user data collection, I guess it's more about sharing their "secret sauce" that worries them and lead to dumping Android car play.
 
The article straight up said that Google takes the data. The article may be wrong, but then that's the fault of MacRumors. We're not speculating beyond what the article explicitly states, or at least I'm not.

Actually, the articles don't. At least not the source article, which is the Motor Trend one. It lists the source as being "off the record", which means it's not an official statement representing any user agreements. It basically means it's hearsay.

Then they question the spokesperson for google, which is more than likely a not-very-technical person. She doesn't specify what, if any data, is collected, and that's probably because she doesn't have that knowledge (i.e... non-tech spokesperson caught a bit off guard by a random phone call). She knows enough to say that whatever it is, it's gonna be opt-in (not opt-out, that's an important distinction), and that they do use some information for safety... eg, lets not allow input while the car is moving, just like Car Play does, as well as every other DVD or GPS headunit is required to do... by law.

Access to OBD2 is part of the Android Auto protocol. As it is Android Auto has support for extended GPS antennas, directional mics, etc, etc, etc... from the car to make the phone work more seamlessly. This is what people are losing their heads over. I think it's a good part because it lets apps monitor and display info about the car if they so choose. It lets the device extend itself with the car's resources. Personally I'm REALLY hoping there's also a working group thats working to make some standardized set of API's that allows bidirectional access to control systems, at the very least for things like notifications from the car so they can show up on the Android Auto screen. Car Play will want/need this too.

The natural evolution of this is NOT just your phone taking over your car's media screen. We have HUD's and LCD's increasingly showing up in the dashes. If cars are no longer going to handle navigation (and lets face it, that's a very good thing), cars will need a language that lets phones access the secondary and tertiary screens for things like next-turn and lane change information. Luxury cars have TONS of options, and they're often obscured by terrible interior control design. The voice recognition stuff in luxury cars is neat, but atrocious. I'd much rather ask google to turn on my rear window defroster (a button which at the moment is a guess for me) than hunt on my dash or try and remember the weird command structure for my car late at night when I'm trying to drive with an opaque rear window.

Everybody here lost their senses over a poorly reported and unofficial blurb on a "what's cool about Porsche" article in Motor Trend. MOTOR TREND. This is the source... Motor Trend.
 
I have yet to see where anyone with authority is making these claims. What I see is a blurb in a reputable hard hitting investigative magazine (hah!)... oh wait, I mean Motor Trend, I take back all the previous stuff. I see a blurb in motor trend about another company, that is currently under investigation for emissions fraud, refusing to open up access to performance and diagnostic metrics (that are federally mandated) on their vehicles to a 3rd party accessory to obtain certification.

Google's Android Auto protocol includes OBD2. It doesn't say it does anything with the data. People can assume they're doing nefarious things with the data. Frankly I think every company, as well as government, is monitoring their citizens whereabouts and doing nefarious things with that data. The OBD2 is a feature, because there are apps on both iOS and Android that use that feature. Often times it's with expensive bluetooth dongles.

When I first saw OBD2 on that spec sheet a year ago, I thought about how awesome it'd be not to have to have a bluetooth dongle hanging off my OBD2 port in such a way that I could damage the port by mistake just by getting out of the car. I also thought about how much more "real time" the reads would be, more like the USB dongles that connect to laptops rather than the bluetooth serial connection. I'm with arguably the least evil of the telecoms, and I'm sure they're recording my geoposition as well, so I don't see what having access to my acceleration makes a difference.

I know the default position on these forums is to hate Google. Whatever, it's a mac rumors site. But it'd be nice if the hate was based on fact and not speculation. And the only thing that exists now is speculation.

It's going to be about insurance rates and some flavor of Pre-Crime.
 
Erm, because Porsche drivers wouldn't buy Android...
Dumbest comment ever...... I know a few that have android, hell I drive an Aston and know a few of the guys on Android, horses for courses.

Porsche and android are both mass produced
 
The article straight up said that Google takes the data. The article may be wrong, but then that's the fault of MacRumors. We're not speculating beyond what the article explicitly states, or at least I'm not.

I DID NOT say what you attributed to me. Please be careful with your quoting:
"citysnaps said:
I know the default position on these forums is to hate Google. Whatever, it's a mac rumors site. But it'd be nice if the hate was based on fact and not speculation. And the only thing that exists now is speculation."
 
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