how can you point out the "fallacy" in my statement when i said i "didn't know if enough space could be freed up..." my statement is correct - i don't know... I also made no such analogy to Android - I'm not familiar enough with their phones. I said if apple wanted to add a bigger battery they could easily do it by increasing the thickness - which obviously they don't want to do - i also said i don't know if enough space would be freed up by removing the small headphone jack. from what i've read its more akin to having a single car garage - increasing it by 20% isn't enough to park a second car in it because the second car can't be made small enough. The next jump in size for a battery would require more space than allowed by the removal of the jack. I don't know if this is true - but that's what i've heard and read. We will find out next month....
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What you originally stated was this: i think the "more space for battery" cause has bee debunked because batteries are a fixed sized element and can't be "injected" into a little bit of space created at the bottom of the phone.
You did not say you didn't know, but rather stated it as a fact. That's what I was responding to.
The DAC would have to be built in to use it... There is no analog at all at the lightning connector.
If they change it so there is analog, it will be only on newer devices (which is the only case that would make this an adapter)... what a freakin' mess. Not a very elegant or innovative choice... Not to mention it renders all arguments moot concerning the built in audio and 3.5mm being somehow being inferior.
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Yep. We do not need thinner phones just functional phones and what about when you are just hanging with A buddy and you want to plug your phone into his aux jack in their car. And ooops I don't have my adapter!! Reminds me of the 1st gen iPhone that had that crazy recessed 3.5mm jack. Hated that too!!
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Lol now they want you to buy a new car! Too funny
Or...just an adapter that has a pass-through.
But many people who listen to iPhone audio in their cars already have newer model cars that don't need an adapter.
If you don't have a car with bluetooth or USB input, then you're likely ALREADY using a complicated method of two cables (one for power, one for audio) and an awful, dreaded, unmentionable adapter to get the power out of your cigarette lighter.
If it's not broken don't fix it. And the 3.5mm is not broke. How about when you are just hanging with a friend and you want to listen to something in their car using your iPhone and ooops you forget your adapter! This reminds me of the first gen iPhone that I bought and was the only person I knew that had an iPhone for many months. That 1st gen iPhone had a recessed headphone port that you had to buy a crazy bad pair of headphones to use with it. Well they changed that on the 2nd gen iPhone. Like that shoud have!! I resent the fact that I have to remember my adapter evertime I step out of the house!! And are they gonna put a bigger battery in the 7 in place of the headphone jack? No probably not. They will just make it thinner? Crazy.
Yup. Apple is always driving people forward. I had to buy my Mom a new Mac because her old one wouldn't do iCloud, and that was the whole reason we got her on Macs, was for Mobile Me to synchronize her contacts and photos. Apple is not Microsoft -- they're not going to limit their advancement by accomodating older technology when it's unnecessary.
What if your friend's car has BT, and that's how he connects, and you get in and forgot your 3.5mm male-to-male cable? Or do you carry around such a cable so you are always prepared? In which case, what's the difference?
The difference between that iPhone and removing the jack is that there was no benefit to the customer as the adapter merely changed the shape of the opening. The new adapter at least offers the option of better audio, and more features to a set of headphones if a customer wants them. Not only that, but there is another standard available -- wireless. One that has advanced far enough as to be an acceptable replacement for a wired headphone connection. If BT were at the level it's at today, people might have chosen to switch then, and ditch their old headphones.
You can always give people better audio if they want it using the lightning cable and keeping the 3.5mm jack. Then you have the best of both worlds!!
We are gonna have to agree to disagree with this one. How are you gonna charge the thing and listen to music at the same time? Another adapter? So now you are gonna have to have that as well. I honestly don't think that apple is going to have a pass through lightning 3.5mm solution. I think they are going to have you wireless charge it or charge it using the smart connector on the side. Then you will have to have that as well to charge it. And now you are buying smart connections cables just in case you want to listen to music and charge it at the same time!! I could be wrong and we will see. But it sounds like apple to make people buy all new cables all over again. After finally lightning cables are becoming cheap enough to have several on hand just in case!
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You can always give people better audio if they want it using the lightning cable and keeping the 3.5mm jack. Then you have the best of both worlds!!
We are gonna have to agree to disagree with this one. How are you gonna charge the thing and listen to music at the same time? Another adapter? So now you are gonna have to have that as well. I honestly don't think that apple is going to have a pass through lightning 3.5mm solution. I think they are going to have you wireless charge it or charge it using the smart connector on the side. Then you will have to have that as well to charge it. And now you are buying smart connections cables just in case you want to listen to music and charge it at the same time!! I could be wrong and we will see. But it sounds like apple to make people buy all new cables all over again. After finally lightning cables are becoming cheap enough to have several on hand just in case!
Charging is the least of it. Don't think there will be a pass through? OK. Then buy a headphone with a passthrough Lightning port, just like Beats offers now with a built-in 3.5mm jack so your friends can daisy-chain to your headphones and share your music without carrying around a headphone splitter! Don't want to buy a Lightning headphone? OK, but an adapter with a passthrough port like the Lightning HDMI video adapter already has. Too bulky? OK, the power brick that comes with the phone may have both Lightning and USB-C on it. Plug your headphones into that. If the smart connector comes to pass, and people don't want to use their old headphones, then how about a low-profile case with an extended battery and a built-in 3.5mm adapter? Can't go wrong that way. There are plenty of options imaginable, without necessarily buying something you don't need anyway, if you're open to the possibilities.
Or just have a 3.5mm jack and a lightning jack that can be used for digital audio if you want that. But I have a $400 pair of B&H headphones that sound incredible but they have a 3.5mm jack so in order for me to listen to them with a new iPhone 7 I'll have to use the adapter and so then I'll be going back to analog audio! How many companies are gonna want to make lightning headphones that in order to use them in anything but an iPhone you'll have to use an adapter? If lighting digital audio was all that great they would be tons of headphone already because you can do it now with an iPhone 6s!! We're all the lightning headphones at? Don't see many.
You'll see the lightning headphones now. And you'll see adapters to fit the needs of anyone who wants to use their legacy headphones with a new iPhone. The adapters provide the best of both worlds. Those who need the adapters can use them, and those who don't need to use legacy headphones aren't saddled with an unneeded port taking up valuable space inside their new iPhone.
I can see why you want the ability to use your existing equipment. Adapters fill your need. I don't see why you want to force me and everyone else to have an extra port to accommodate your legacy headphones in our iPhones.
Well what are they putting in place of the headphone jack? Nothing. They are just making it thinner and we do not need thinner iPhones. And if you say another speaker. Well that's how I wand do listen to music with my head up against my stereo speakers on my iPhone 7!! We need functional iPhones with longer battery life not thinner. Galaxy 7 is one of the most powerful functional phones on the market and it still has a headphone jack. It does not handicap it in any way. All I can say is mark my word you will be in a situation where you need an analog 3.5mm jack and you won't have one because you forgot your adapter. If it's not broke don't fix it! Thanks for the spirited debate and I hope I'm wrong and you are right to be honest. But I'm vert skeptical!! Take care.
[doublepost=1470802867][/doublepost]One last thing. I do not see a lot of high end headphone makers like b&w wanting to make many lighting headphones. That would just be too proprietary for them!
[doublepost=1470802867][/doublepost]One last thing. I do not see a lot of high end headphone makers like b&w wanting to make many lighting headphones. That would just be too proprietary for them!
You mean the way that before the world governments turned off analogue TV there were tons of HD TVs? In case you don't remember, before 2009, even though digital TV was simultaneously being broadcast, not many people could justify the expense for the new digital TVs, even though they were significantly better than analogue CRTs. So it's kind of a specious argument.
Headphone makers will not make proprietary headphones. They will make the same headphones they do now, with a hybrid digital interface that can be used with Lightning, USB-C, USB-A, or 3.5mm, or 1/4". A simple cable swap will make them fully compatible with any device. Many will opt for wireless headphones with optional cables that can be plugged into anything, especially as prices come down thanks to increased demand because 3.5mm headphone jacks encourage other choices.
Well people didn't have much of a choice! You had to go digital or stop watching tv. With cell phones they will be plenty of choices if you still need a headphone jack built into your phone! Like I said. What great feature are they adding in place of the headphone jack? Many phones that are more powerful than the iPhone still have a 3.5mm jack and it does not handicap them what so ever! I'm an iPhone man and I'll probably get one but I just see this as apple cutting of their nose to spite the face!! But we will see. Have a good night
Hum... well so much for the idea that apple would invent something that would allow you to charge and listen to music at the same time.
And btw.
You might want to watch this.
It's interesting!
And btw. When tv went all digital it was a standard format that all tvs had to
Support! This lightning connector is a proprietary format that apple owns and companies wanting to use it must pay apple!! So this is nothing like when tv went digital!!
Apple never said using Lightning EarPods would sound any better than the 3.5mm EarPods. And there is a better technology to replace the 3.5mm jack; it's called Bluetooth, there are a TON of manufacturers that use it, it's not proprietary, and there's a LE spec that's included the iPhone 7 as well as many Bluetooth head/earphones. So if you like to listen to music using the 3.5mm jack then use the adapter. Otherwise, use Bluetooth or W1. And if you absolutely must listen to music and charge your phone at the same time, get an adapter/dock or don't buy the new iPhone 7 because someone else will.
My experience and also what I have read here from other users is that listening via bluetooth can on occasions be flakey - with "drop outs".
I have never experienced wired "drop outs" ever in 35 years.
With the above in mind why is "there is a better technology......it's called Bluetooth"?
I have a iPhone 6 Sept 2014
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I understand bluetooth has different versions therefore will improve in time.
The problem here is the DAC as the guy in the video was explaining. The adapter cannot provide sound quality at the same level as other phones that use the analog jack, including the older iPhones.
I am still not convinced about Bluetooth. Too much wireless interference around you all the time. And you have to buy these BT dongles if you want to connect your pair of shiny BT headphones to your office PC when you are at work. Many of these dongles are just horrible. This was not a problem with the analog headphones.
I was in need to change my iPhone this year, so the 7 plus is on its way, but I am not convinced by these changes inspired by "courage". I understand that Apple was needing the space to have the new haptic feedback engine inside and that it was this the reason that killed the 3.5mm jack, but I am not so sure if it was a really good tradeoff.
It will be in time. Just hang on. By the time the next iPhone comes out you'll know why this was done.
I'M SURE OF IT!
W1 uses Class 1 Bluetooth which allows for a much greater range and signal strength than Class 2 which is what you normally see in typical Bluetooth head/earphones. So no, you shouldn't experience any drop outs with Bluetooth (Class 1) or W1 devices.
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In the video, he mentions the DAC in the iPhone 7 is also 16-bit just like the iPhone 6s. The difference in quality is very slight degradation in the iPhone 7. The difference was so small, he states that it was "scientifically" insignificant. So you're technically right but considering the gap between the two it's safe to say it does somewhat perform at the same level as older iPhones.
Now, what about other phones? He mentions another phone that uses a higher bit DAC. Given that the audio source is also of high quality, that phone would produce a higher quality audio output. But using the adapter on an iPhone 7 is not any way significantly worse or better than using the 3.5mm jack in the iPhone 6s.
Apple has effectively provided the same experience as before with the exception that you must use an adapter and you can't charge your phone at the same time without an adapter/dock with an extra lightning port. These exceptions are what took "courage" to do.
Anyone can recommend a good bluetooth dongle that works ok in Windows and that you can use to pair your expensive BT headphones you are planning to use with the iPhone 7? I ordered some BT dongle from our distributor at the office and the quality is garbage. So much interference is unbelievable. The BT dongle is Class 1 so it supposed to be better than class 2 ones.