Potential First Photo of iPhone 7 Plus Shows Dual-Lens Camera and Smart Connector

[Gudi]

As I've repeatedly said, smartphones have been adopted by people who don't care about image quality, that does not mean that professionals, pro summers and hobbyists are also abandoning DSLRs and high end point and shoot cameras.

You should read the forum more carefully.

I use my smartphone camera frequently. But it does not produce what I consider to be something I would call art. Yet, I have multiple shots that I have produced and processed on my walls from other types of camera.

See! He's adopted smartphone cameras without even thinking they could produce art. And he uses them frequently! Smartphones are good for many things, we can't know if people buy them because or inspite of their camera quality. But standalone cameras are good for only one thing and their sales dropped by 40% in 2013 alone. Two-fifth of the market gone and every single one of them had a bigger camera sensor and better optics than an iPhone. People who don't care includes an awful lot of people. But even people who do care and previously bought DSLRs feel themselves dragged in by the utility of the smartphone. They may hate it, but they can't escape it. Whenever there is competition between a multi-purpose computing device and a single-purpose electronic device the smart thing always wins.
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Except that mirrorless and DSLR sales have recovered from the second half of 2014 through 2015.

Because that's the segment of the market most different from smartphone cameras, where every manufacturer is heading in hope for survival.

I'm still not sure I understand the "DSLRs are too complicated" argument.

WHAT DOES THIS DO? A QUICK EXPLANATION OF DSLR BUTTONS​

If you need to explain it, it already has too many buttons.​

DSLRs are also becoming smarter, adding GPS, WiFi, and touchscreens.

Which doesn't make them computers (smart devices).

You still haven't addressed the argument that smartphones can't compete with DSLRs in terms of flexibility except by the argument that "people don't want that" which is blatantly false.

I never said people don't want DSLR-like capabilities and qualities, they just can't have them, because they don't fit in a smartphone. And people will happily (or not so happily) settle for less.

I'd like to see you address that topic with something more than "smartphones = future" over and over. At least if I want to take a 12mm wide, 30 second exposure at 3200ISO and f8 or use a 35mm f1.4 lens to get an ultra thin focal plan on a face I can, unlike on smartphone.

I don't know what you're talking about? This technobabble means nothing to me. I speak computer hardware and I can tell you exactly why all the powerful nice stuff in a MacBook Pro won't stop the iPhone from winning out personal computing.

Also, aren't smartphone sales in decline?

No. You're thinking about iPads.

 

[Burger Thing]

While my iPhone takes decent photos and the OIS for videos is fantastic, whenever I want to take memorable pictures, I will grab my DSLR. And it's not only about the pictures itself, it's about the fun and passion along as well. Photography is an art and an hobby (and of course profession) for many.

With the single purpose device DSLR, you concentrate more on the 'job', get more intimate with the subject and the task of taking pictures. And when you know what you are doing (some posters here obviously and admittedly don't), then it's far easier to achieve different results, looks, etc, quickly on a complex camera than on multi purpose hardware limited phone camera without dedicated controls.

Whenever I look over my recent pictures, especially of my young daughter, I am glad I got many great shots (at least to my standards) which were taken with a DSLR. Those will be the ones my daughter hopefully appreciates when she grows older and going through memories. The phone pictures, while not bad, are quite often just snaps.

 

[1Zach1]

I don't know what you're talking about? This technobabble means nothing to me.

Sums up this entire conversation pretty well.

 

[shanson27]

is not iPhone 7 but maizu pro 6
http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...firms-upcoming-pro-6-posts-photos-to-prove-it

 

[thasan]

You were supposed to add, but I'll buy it anyway.

Me? No way! I wasnt planning and this has pushed me to another "galaxy". I hope the design improves in 2 years time!

 

[Gudi]

Sums up this entire conversation pretty well.

And because you know your optics, you fail to understand how absolutely unusable DSLRs are for people who haven't learned your skills. We computer users have been treated like smart wizards for the longest time, until the iOS user interface democratized computer usage for everyone. Even the Learning Disabled have their own iPad apps now. It's childishly simple to start an app. Even pets play with iPads. There is no more secret knowledge or context information one needs to keep in mind. And that's how computing needed to be to include everyone on the planet. Instead of everyone learning how to use computers, computers needed to learn how to adapt to everyone. It's the simplicity that makes the iPhone camera superior to everything else.

 

[1Zach1]

It's the simplicity that makes the iPhone camera superior to everything else.

Because you didn't take the time to learn a DSLR doesn't mean that is true for everyone, especially not people who seek out the capability's that DSLRs provide. Smartphones are great for you, congrats, that doesn't mean they are going to impact DSLRs. Ignoring a specific market segment just because you aren't part of it doesn't nullify it.

 

[Gudi]

Smartphones are great for you, congrats, that doesn't mean they are going to impact DSLRs.

A decline of around 20% each year is not an impact?

http://www.andreastimm.com/digital-camera-market-doomed/

 

[Burger Thing]

Reading through this thread I just can't help it but to feel sorry for some of my fellow companions here. Being dumbed down by smartphones - and almost feeling proud of it.

I guess it must be painfully difficult for some of the present 'ios user' generation to learn something or acquire a skill if the information is not spoon fed or requires more than 1 click on a button, which even a pet can do.

Good grief


Or staying concentrated for longer than 3 min of the average sized YouTube video. The horror

 

[1Zach1]

A decline of around 20% each year is not an impact?

http://www.andreastimm.com/digital-camera-market-doomed/

Right, DSLR sales were down (but are improving), mirrorless sales are up (hugely). It's not smartphones hurting DSLRs. Overall the interchangeable lens market is doing just fine.

But an 11% decline in smartphone sales? I guess ICLCs are killing off that market! http://www.itwire.com/it-industry-n...ess-upgrades-drive-down-smartphone-sales.html

 

[Gudi]

Right, DSLR sales were down (but are improving), mirrorless sales are up (hugely). It's not smartphones hurting DSLRs. Overall the interchangeable lens market is doing just fine.

The lenses sales were also down, just not as much as the cameras.

But an 11% decline in smartphone sales? I guess ICLCs are killing off that market! http://www.itwire.com/it-industry-n...ess-upgrades-drive-down-smartphone-sales.html

From your source: an 11% decline. But, Telsyte says it expects this to reverse in 2016. Now these analyst expectations don't need to become true. But there is no obvious alternative to what smartphone buyers should switch to? So if the market is saturated (it's probably not) than it might stop growing, but not start shrinking. Anyway it's already much bigger than the traditional camera market and that's having an effect.

 

[C7 POWER]

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Fake. Smart connector, strange logo at the bottom (or is it a China specific logo?), and camera is pretty suspicious. Considering how Tim follows the flow and all the histeria "oh, this camera is SO protruding", he won't make it even more protruding.

Althought with pill shaped camera and without bands it looks nicer than iPhone 6/s.

The "strange" logo is a etched barcode that is typically on the prototypes

 

[acslater017]

Oh look, a bunch of people whining about the design just like they did for the 4, 5 and 6...

I agree that people complain about every design. But I must say, the 6 was the first time IMO that Apple regressesed or went sideways in their design progression. The bump, the big bezels & weight (esp on enormous Plus), the antenna lines...more than any other generation, it felt like the design team made a series of tangible compromises and "yea that'll do fine" decisions. I quickly grew accustomed to the 5's Lightning port, duo-tone back, etc. But even 1.5 years on from the 6/Plus, the design is good but not great.

Maybe they're busy making Watches, stores, headquarters, and cars and don't pour all the time into iOS/Mac hardware anymore.

 

[tuxmelvin]

WHAT DOES THIS DO? A QUICK EXPLANATION OF DSLR BUTTONS​

If you need to explain it, it already has too many buttons.​

How do you drive a car!? There's too many buttons!

There's only two buttons on there that you need to know how to use. The ON button/switch. And the trigger. Leave the #5 dial on Auto and you'll never have to fiddle with anything else. It's as easy as a point and shoot. It's as easy as a smartphone. The ONLY drawback of a DSLR in this case is it's size.

 

[Gudi]

How do you drive a car!?

With an automatic gearbox. I don't try to understand the inner workings of a motor. I don't want to have control over it's every setting. Just give me a gas pedal and a break and hide the rest from me. I never open up the hood, I don't change the tires, just driving it along.

 

[tuxmelvin]

With an automatic gearbox. I don't try to understand the inner workings of a motor. I don't want to have control over it's every setting. Just give me a gas pedal and a break and hide the rest from me. I never open up the hood, I don't change the tires, just driving it along.

So what happens when it rains? What happens if you need to change lanes? What happens if you get cold? Or too hot? Or it's dark out? What do you do when you go through a drive-thru? How would you do any of these things without all those buttons and switches?

 

[Krevnik]

But even people who do care and previously bought DSLRs feel themselves dragged in by the utility of the smartphone.

This. This right here, is your whole crux of the argument to which a lot of us take issue with.

Citation Needed.
No anecdotes.
No correlation, therefore it must be causation handwaving.
Data. Evidence.

Provide that. You've failed to provide any compelling argument. You've made plenty of claims and statements based on your own personal experience, but those are not data in any sense of the word. You've also pointed at numbers which provide correlation, but no link. If you can show me the trend hurting ILC sales is that hobbyists and professionals are going to smartphones, great. You've made progress. But at this point, I'm starting to think you are starting to be willfully ignorant (even linking articles without even reading the author's own take on why ILC camera sales were shrinking), or possibly trolling. It's starting to feel like some corollary of Poe's law.

Just stop listing all the variants of dumbcameras you remember, as if they are meaningfully different from each other. None of them is a match for a smartphone to which the camera is merely another sensor to create data. But it's all about what you can do with the data afterwards.

ILCs and Compacts are meaningfully different, and yet you keep throwing out conflicting numbers, and show that you aren't actually reading the articles you quote, just looking for a couple numbers and calling it a day. In one post, you lump all cameras into a single number. In another you quote DSLRs and ignore compacts. It's a maddeningly incoherent set of evidence you use to make a point.

But here's the thing, I'm not even saying your argument is invalid, but rather that you've made it overly broad. You are discussing a real trend. But that trend is older than you think. It didn't start with the smartphone, and it won't end with the smartphone either. These "dumbcameras I remember" were the compact cameras of 20, 30, and yes, 50 years ago. They were what people used in the mass market instead of an SLR. Those people moved on from these film compacts onto digital compacts, and now onto smartphones.

But you know what? You win. I walk away. You've won an argument on the internet. Have a cookie.

 

[tuxmelvin]

I don't know, I'd like to see a photo shootout between Gudi on a smartphone and Krevnik on a DSLR.

 

[Mactendo]

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The "strange" logo is a etched barcode that is typically on the prototypes

Thanks, never seen it before.

 

[jonnysods]

In some ways this looks legit because you know the camera is going to protrude again. I hope it doesn't look like this though! Looks so Samsung-ish....

 

[navaira]

Honestly if not for the fact I burned myself so badly on Galaxy S3, I'd consider Edge Whatevernumberitisnow looks-wise way before iPhone.

 

[DoctorTech]

Perhaps it's for a power pack battery case. Apple might be losing battery power by making it thinner and try to redesign those ugly hump battery cases. But the way those cases attach to the Lightning port makes the overall length of the phone even worse than it is already. Having it flat on the back would make it hidden quite nicely. This seems like the most practical purpose.

That makes a lot of sense. I've been happy with the battery life on my iPhone 6s+ but my wife has the 6s and she would really like a bigger battery.

 

[nviz22]

http://phandroid.com/2016/03/18/galaxy-s7-edge-best-camera-ever/

Well, hopefully the 7's camera can beat this.

 

[ron7624]

The first possible real photo of the iPhone 7 Plus has surfaced on Chinese website Bastille Post (via user Cmmig at the PhilMUG forums), providing a closer look at the design of the upcoming smartphone.

The most notable change is the inclusion of a much-rumored dual-lens camera with a protruding, pill-shaped enclosure, as opposed to two separate circular camera openings depicted in some online renderings.

Rumors are conflicting about whether the iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, or both smartphones will have dual cameras, but it now appears that at least one model may not have a completely flush camera as originally expected.


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September can't get here fast enough. I love my 6, but can't wait for the 7.

 

[BlankSlate]

I thought one of the big upsides to having two lenses would be that the camera would not protrude out anymore,
that they could trim down the thickness of it. That was in the rumor mill at some point.