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Funny that Samsung went from ripping off Apple designs to designing better looking phones than Apple. At this point, Samsung should stay the hell away from taking any design cues from Apple. It would actually make their phones look worse.

Haha, this! Lol Samsung, at one point, was the joke of the mobile tech industry when it came to design. Lol my how times have changed. Like I said in a previous post, in terms of design and hardware...Sammy is absolutely killing Apple right now. If anything, Apple needs to start copying Samsung. B/c the GS7 and especially the GS7 Edge are breathtakingly beautiful devices. Samsung managed to make a phone, that's not overly bulky, but that's still: water resistant, dust proof, has a bigger battery, a much better camera, and expandable memory.
 
I use my smartphone camera frequently. But it does not produce what I consider to be something I would call art.
Then just change what you consider art. Fiddling with lenses isn't art, is it?
The argument you have failed to respond to in any way, shape, or form, is this: ... In what world does the average person migrating from disposable film cameras, to point and shoots, and then to smartphones have anything to do with the life or death of (D)SLRs when they never used the things?
Millions and billions of people who never used and never understood PCs are using smartphones now. The PC hasn't changed, the world around it has changed. Remember how the dinosaurs died? People like us who know how to use PCs, what they are capable of, don't see how small little mammals could ever become the dominant species on earth? Surely they won't take over our realm! Yet the PC market is shrinking fast with only a little growth at the very top. DSLRs like PCs will continue to be the best at what they are doing, but they may be doing the wrong thing to survive. Interchangeable lenses and multi-window multi-tasking might not be what is asked for today. Image quality will continue to be important, but not necessary image quality achieved by zooming. Interchangeable lenses don't fit on smartphones and that alone might be enough to kill them, because the smartphone is where it's at. We both didn't met on DSLRrumors, did we?
And do you honestly think professionals are ditching DSLRs?
I think today a professional is someone who runs an influential fashion blog out of her smartphone. Or a successful presidential campaign consisting of nothing but offensive tweets. The new professionals never learned how to use DSLRs, yet their photos are the most influential. Photography is just a means to an end. If you get to the right end, who cares about DSLRs, right?
And as a side question, why hasn't the P&S killed the DSLR yet?
Because it doesn't have the full capability of a smartphone. Pinch to Zoom (digital not optical zoom), Tap to Focus and other smartphone gestures have radically changed the way to handle photos. From a smartphone photographers point of view P&S and DSLR are both the same old dumbcameras.
And what's your experience with cameras? Have you ever touched a DSLR? A film camera?
I've touched the Canon EOS DSLRs of my father and used them more or less like a P&S in Auto Focus mode only. But I never saw one of the photos I made, the complicated menu and little screen was too much for me. I rather prefer making photos on my big Retina iPad, where I can edit them right away.
I suspect the answer to why you feel the way you do is in that personal experience.
Yes, DSLRs gave me a bad experience. PCs I can handle, because there were no iDevices when I grew up. But my interest in photography is younger.
 
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Haha, this! Lol Samsung, at one point, was the joke of the mobile tech industry when it came to design. Lol my how times have changed. Like I said in a previous post, in terms of design and hardware...Sammy is absolutely killing Apple right now. If anything, Apple needs to start copying Samsung. B/c the GS7 and especially the GS7 Edge are breathtakingly beautiful devices. Samsung managed to make a phone, that's not overly bulky, but that's still: water resistant, dust proof, has a bigger battery, a much better camera, and expandable memory.

Yes, but still an inferior OS, and update policy. Inferior soc, and those hideous sensors at the front. No 3D Touch ...
And battery life? Remains to be seen.
The s5 experienced some problems with the battery life in a few months, and there was the memory bug..3gb was just not enough.
So in my view, the screen is nicer and the camera in the s7.
But with the 7, I guess Apple will overtake the camera, and will update the display to get closer to the s7.
And design of the 7 vs the s7.we think we have seen it all already, but we' ll see in 6 months for real...
 
But my interest in photography is younger.
I hope that your interest in photography grows and you come to understand just how far off base your arguments on this topic are. Ask your dad if you can spend some more time with his DSLRs and get off the green box and use some more creativity in your photography.

Just a note, most of those "new professionals" you cite, are using DSLRs for their blogs, Twitter and Youtube videos.
 
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Then just change what you consider art. Fiddling with lenses isn't art, is it?

Fiddling with brushes isn't art either. But it certainly can be part of the process. ;)

I think today a professional is someone who runs an influential fashion blog out of her smartphone. Or a successful presidential campaign consisting of nothing but offensive tweets. The new professionals never learned how to use DSLRs, yet their photos are the most influential. Photography is just a means to an end. If you get to the right end, who cares about DSLRs, right?

I'm not talking about the all generic "professional". I'm talking about a photographer where photography is their profession. Their method to make money. These are the folks like Ansel Adams who create artistic work. Freelancers doing work for media, both online and off. Folks adding to the stock photography collections so that marketing firms have something to work with. People whom you pay for professionally made family photos and special occasions (a niche, but still there after all these years).

These other professionals are professionals, but they still aren't the ones propping up the DSLR market. Especially if they rely on stock photography (which is going to be done via DSLR).

And for your last two sentences:
1) No, it isn't just a means to an end for the hobbyist / pro. And if you feel that it is, that's okay, but you totally are not the market for these things.
2) "The right end" is subjective, and there are certain "right ends" that you cannot achieve with a smartphone camera in any current smartphone (the physics of it are literally impossible), no matter how much someone insists that you can.

Because it doesn't have the full capability of a smartphone. Pinch to Zoom (digital not optical zoom), Tap to Focus and other smartphone gestures have radically changed the way to handle photos. From a smartphone photographers point of view P&S and DSLR are both the same old dumbcameras.
I've touched the Canon EOS DSLRs of my father and used them more or less like a P&S in Auto Focus mode only. But I never saw one of the photos I made, the complicated menu and little screen was too much for me. I rather prefer making photos on my big Retina iPad, where I can edit them right away.

Emphasis mine. This comes out as someone who really should have been introduced to something other than a DSLR. I was introduced to photography with an old Kodak Instamatic. On that, I learned the real basics about composition, lighting, etc. It wasn't until I took a class that I used an SLR (in an era when DSLRs were just on the rise, because SLRs were super cheap for the school). Fully manual. That's where I learned about aperture, shutter speed, and focus control. I'm still learning on some of the more interesting stuff that you can do with fine control over depth of field (which cannot be done with a smartphone camera of today), shutter speed, and lens-mounted filters. There's a lot there to learn and develop. Anyone can take photographs, but not everyone is a good photographer. The difference is skill (and sometimes, knowing when a hammer can't turn a screw).

And to be honest, one of the reasons why DSLRs are so complicated is because a model basically has to be used for a whole host of situations. Sports photography, Landscape, Portrait, Astro, etc, etc all have different needs from the camera. I don't actually use a DSLR's full set of features, I mostly have it configured for the sorts of photography I do, and that's it. Makes things easier when I'm out with the camera so I do little to no fiddling. A portrait photographer would hate having to use my camera. ;)

Just a note, most of those "new professionals" you cite, are using DSLRs for their blogs, Twitter and Youtube videos.

Oh yes. And it's partly why DSLRs and mirrorless have been pushing video more in the last half-decade. When you can buy pro-level gear that will do really good 1080p recording for short work, in the 1000$ USD range, things change a lot. And it is actually a market DSLRs are in that they weren't really usable for even a decade ago. They are eating into the low end professional video market. Totally forgot about that.
 
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Fiddling with brushes isn't art either. But it certainly can be part of the process. ;)
Or you could use an Apple Pencil, since we're not living in the Age of Renaissance anymore.
I'm not talking about the all generic "professional". I'm talking about a photographer where photography is their profession. Their method to make money.
And how many professional photographers are there compared to the number of DSLRs sold? How many professional programmers compared to PC sales? If a consumer product is reduced to professional use only, its going to disappear from the stores.
This comes out as someone who really should have been introduced to something other than a DSLR. I was introduced to photography with an old Kodak Instamatic. On that, I learned the real basics about composition, lighting, etc. It wasn't until I took a class that I used an SLR (in an era when DSLRs were just on the rise, because SLRs were super cheap for the school). Fully manual. That's where I learned about aperture, shutter speed, and focus control. I'm still learning on some of the more interesting stuff that you can do with fine control over depth of field (which cannot be done with a smartphone camera of today), shutter speed, and lens-mounted filters.
This whole paragraph just highlights the immense learning curve associated with DSLRs and why they have no future. In a world with decent smartphone cameras people will not go on this kind of journey. You will find few teachers let alone students for a photography class anymore. Peoples expectation with software (or anything really) is that you can learn it while you are using it. PCs were to complicated and most people gave up early on and developed hate and anxiety towards the computer.

Only the iPhone made the usage simple enough so that everyone and his mother could learn it. iOS is limited compared to OS X, but most people can't handle the complexity of OS X at all. The DSLR is exactly in this position, to a small elite it's obvious how to handle them and the rest won't even touch it. But beware, there is an easy to use camera already in your pocket. This is where the future of photography is for almost everyone growing up today.

If the DSLR wants to survive, it needs a radically simplified menu with much less buttons and distracting informations on the display all the time. Apple would be the company to overhaul the camera user interface, if not they were already in the business of destroying the market from the bottom up.
 
Don't think DSLRs are a hit now days for the general masses, mirror less is more of the rage these days especially with the Sony A7 series.
 
Don't think DSLRs are a hit now days for the general masses, mirror less is more of the rage these days especially with the Sony A7 series.

For the purpose of this discussion, DSLR is used as generic term referring to dedicated photo cameras rather than to specific implementation (i.e. single lens-reflex).
 
Could the smart connector be used to power the iPhone itself? as in wireless charging, i know it charges accessories but I'm not familiar with the power output capabilities of it. Would be cool if that was the case though
 
Yes, but still an inferior OS, and update policy. Inferior soc, and those hideous sensors at the front. No 3D Touch ...
And battery life? Remains to be seen.
The s5 experienced some problems with the battery life in a few months, and there was the memory bug..3gb was just not enough.
So in my view, the screen is nicer and the camera in the s7.
But with the 7, I guess Apple will overtake the camera, and will update the display to get closer to the s7.
And design of the 7 vs the s7.we think we have seen it all already, but we' ll see in 6 months for real...

Inferior OS? That's one hell of an opinion. Tbh, if the GS7 ran stock android....I would've bought one on launch day, easily. The only way Apple really out does the S7, is the software upgrades coming directly from Apple IMO. Every other aspect of Samsung's flagship, pretty much kills the iPhone. Battery life has improved on the S7, the camera is better on the S7, water resistance on S7, and dust proof on the S7. You also have a much better display and expandable storage. You even have the free Gear VR, which is one of the coolest things I've ever used.

Hell Samsung even out does Apple when it comes to design. The GS7 and especially the S7 Edge makes the iPhone and it's over sized 2008 bezels look dated as hell. And it would be nice if Apple actually increased the resolution on the upcoming i7, but based on their track record...I doubt it'll happen. And I definitely wouldn't use the S5 as a comparison. That phone was terrible IMO. And the ugly bandaid look was a mess. The S6/S6 Edge was easily the best phone Samsung has ever produced. And the S7 pretty much enhanced that experience
 
Inferior OS? That's one hell of an opinion. Tbh, if the GS7 ran stock android....I would've bought one on launch day, easily. The only way Apple really out does the S7, is the software upgrades coming directly from Apple IMO. Every other aspect of Samsung's flagship, pretty much kills the iPhone. Battery life has improved on the S7, the camera is better on the S7, water resistance on S7, and dust proof on the S7. You also have a much better display and expandable storage. You even have the free Gear VR, which is one of the coolest things I've ever used.

Hell Samsung even out does Apple when it comes to design. The GS7 and especially the S7 Edge makes the iPhone and it's over sized 2008 bezels look dated as hell. And it would be nice if Apple actually increased the resolution on the upcoming i7, but based on their track record...I doubt it'll happen. And I definitely wouldn't use the S5 as a comparison. That phone was terrible IMO. And the ugly bandaid look was a mess. The S6/S6 Edge was easily the best phone Samsung has ever produced. And the S7 pretty much enhanced that experience
But it doesn' t run stock os. And the s6 was plagued with a memory bug and shortened battery life within a few months of use. And update goes directly by Apple indeed. With the s7 it does not.
All this "what ifs" and"because" are nice. But it is not the reality.
I could just say:
What If IPhone 6s had a better screen and camera...
But it hasn't .
But the iPhone 7 will definitely surpass the s7 in some areas.
Just get the s7 and be happy with it.
 
Yes, but the software... spare yourself. If you're switching to Android, get a Nexus instead.
But Nexus phones look so ugly.
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oh look more retina books with soldered ram and etc same yet slightly improved retina screens same case same ports just faster more energy efficient cpus


WHAT MORE CAN THE RETINA BOOKS IMPROVE ON?
The rumors about them.
 



The first possible real photo of the iPhone 7 Plus has surfaced on Chinese website Bastille Post (via user Cmmig at the PhilMUG forums), providing a closer look at the design of the upcoming smartphone.

The most notable change is the inclusion of a much-rumored dual-lens camera with a protruding, pill-shaped enclosure, as opposed to two separate circular camera openings depicted in some online renderings.

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Rumors are conflicting about whether the iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, or both smartphones will have dual cameras, but it now appears that at least one model may not have a completely flush camera as originally expected.


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I wish they made it in an all WHITE case again. I think white looks really sharp.
 
Or you could use an Apple Pencil, since we're not living in the Age of Renaissance anymore.

Different strokes for different folks. Sometimes literally.

And how many professional photographers are there compared to the number of DSLRs sold? How many professional programmers compared to PC sales? If a consumer product is reduced to professional use only, its going to disappear from the stores.
This whole paragraph just highlights the immense learning curve associated with DSLRs and why they have no future. In a world with decent smartphone cameras people will not go on this kind of journey. You will find few teachers let alone students for a photography class anymore. Peoples expectation with software (or anything really) is that you can learn it while you are using it. PCs were to complicated and most people gave up early on and developed hate and anxiety towards the computer.

This learning curve is in the skill itself. You are basically saying that an entire skill has no future because it has a learning curve. Language has a learning curve, math has a learning curve, science has a learning curve, programming has a learning curve, finance has a learning curve, basically any skill worth learning has one. If you don't value the skill, that's your business. But the thing is, a skilled photographer with a smartphone will still produce better results than someone who hasn't taken the journey.

And as an aside, photography is probably one of the easier skills to pick up. If you go down the road of artistic photography, that's more learning, but no worse than any other artistic pursuit. But again, if it's not something that is that interesting, no issue from me. But you are attempting to paint a hobbyist community from your own experience, which I don't buy. Not when a lot of the hobbyists I interact with are increasingly younger than I am (and I'm not even that old yet).

Only the iPhone made the usage simple enough so that everyone and his mother could learn it. iOS is limited compared to OS X, but most people can't handle the complexity of OS X at all. The DSLR is exactly in this position, to a small elite it's obvious how to handle them and the rest won't even touch it. But beware, there is an easy to use camera already in your pocket. This is where the future of photography is for almost everyone growing up today.

This argument makes zero sense, but let's rip it apart anyways. This argument could be used for the old Instamatics, the Polaroids, the Disposable cameras. People used them instead of SLRs in large numbers. This trend you keep trying to point to is old. As in half a century old, if not even older than that. If 50 years can't kill off the SLR's niche, why is yet another instant camera meant for the mass market suddenly going to do it?

If the DSLR wants to survive, it needs a radically simplified menu with much less buttons and distracting informations on the display all the time. Apple would be the company to overhaul the camera user interface, if not they were already in the business of destroying the market from the bottom up.

Do I disagree that DSLR menu systems could be better? No. Some brands are better than others, but it would be nice if there were some streamlining. But you are basically coming at this as a "I'm your average, non-hobbyist photographer, and if you don't do what I want, your little niche that I don't even participate in is in danger." If this was 30 years ago, you'd be claiming that the disposable camera will kill the Film SLR because nobody wants to fiddle with those things. The mass market is not, and never will be, the place where (D)SLRs matter. Instant cameras, disposable cameras, cheap rangefinders like the Instamatic, etc. These all made cameras a mass market thing to begin with. The smartphone will eat away at the P&S market, just like the P&S ate away at instant / cheap cameras before them. Mirrorless cameras will eat away at DSLR designs, like they ate away at Film SLRs before them.

This evolution is natural, but you have to realize that there are market niches beyond "everyone and everything" in this world. The mass market isn't the only market, and with the internet, having a local shop isn't a necessity anymore. Although the good ones are still doing steady business.
 
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People buy them to put them in a drawer, because ownership gives them the warm feeling of one day being able to become a real photo artist. Pretty much the same reason people by Apple Watches.

Not true. I see plenty of people who use DSLRS. I've seen a resurgence if anything of people using DSLRS as people appreciate the quality of image you can get, that phone cameras do not come close to achieving.

And how old are you, oldmacs? Try to find a youngster that values the same things in a camera as you. If your hobby has no new blood, it's dying together with DSLRs. Dinosaurs also had superb capabilities.

I'm 19, and know numerous people my age that use a DSLR. Plenty of new people take up photography and phone cameras simply don't cater for that.
 
Then just change what you consider art. Fiddling with lenses isn't art, is it?

You obviously don't get it at all. Get it through your head that the reason that DSLRs are used is that they are far superior to phone cameras. DSLRS have far superior sensors, they can actually zoom (which you know is important for photography), they allow control if you want it and so on. Using a DSLR is not about fiddling with lenses.

This whole paragraph just highlights the immense learning curve associated with DSLRs and why they have no future

Oh god, if you can't use an dSLR in automatic mode than how on earth can you use any piece of technological equipment? Turn on, ensure the camera is set to auto, ensure auto focus is on, and press the shutter button. Its really not that hard.

If the DSLR wants to survive, it needs a radically simplified menu with much less buttons and distracting informations on the display all the time. Apple would be the company to overhaul the camera user interface, if not they were already in the business of destroying the market from the bottom up.

No it doesn't, if you bother to understand a dSLR it is simple enough. Everything can be done automatically if you so desire. Plenty of people have no issue learning to use an DSLR, and Cannon for example makes easy to use models. Just because you enjoy the sub par image quality of i Devices (in comparison to good compacts and DSLRS) doesn't mean that is how the whole world works.
 
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Really bummed out if this is real. I want a total redesign, not ANOTHER 6.. Here's hoping for 2018 :(
 
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Fake. Smart connector, strange logo at the bottom (or is it a China specific logo?), and camera is pretty suspicious. Considering how Tim follows the flow and all the histeria "oh, this camera is SO protruding", he won't make it even more protruding.

Althought with pill shaped camera and without bands it looks nicer than iPhone 6/s.
 
Would any of us who don't like this design will really move to S7Edge? I don't think so. We will probably not be satisfied but buy it anyway. I had expectations...I am on 6s now before I had 6 and I am very bored of this design:
 
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