Get it in your head that PCs are also far superior to smartphones and that it isn't stopping them from a year-on-year decline of 10.6 percent globally. Superiority doesn't make you super.
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Get it through your head that that is not a good comparison. There are plenty of industries that PCs are not in decline for - High end movie editing etc, as they are specialist areas where phones are not suitable. Just like for professional cameras, Phone cameras are not suitable to meet the needs of most professionals and even hobbyists, so while cameras may be in a decline in general, they are not in the markets (such as the professional market) where they are relevant
this is such a bad comparison it is not even funny.
So now its 2057 and the iPhone is 50 years old? That escalated quickly. If you shrug the smartphone revolution off as just another instant camera you're completely missing the point.
No, I wouldn't. I would believe in a future with cassette players, telephone booths and video recorders in it. But since the early beginning of the Multimedia PC I've seen quite a few consumer electronics categories vanish and being replaced by computers, who now go under the name smartdevices.
Just stop listing all the variants of dumbcameras you remember, as if they are meaningfully different from each other. None of them is a match for a smartphone to which the camera is merely another sensor to create data. But it's all about what you can do with the data afterwards:
dumbcameras = nothing
smartphones = everything
How about you actually read his argument. There have been countless threats to the SLR over many years. Compact film cameras, compact digital cameras, but none have ever taken over the SLR for professional use. Why? Because they don't offer the flexiablitly or image quality that professionals and hobbyists need. The Camrea phone is a step down from a point and shoot digital camera in terms of control, flexibility image quality, zoom (EG the iPhone has RUBBISH zoom), so if the point and shoot film and then digital camera were not able to kill the SLR, then its fairly obvious that the inferior phone camera will not.
Invalid comparison. The SLR has changed over the years which is why we now have the Digital SLR. Cassettes were replaced by the better quality CD for example. Videotapes were replaced by the better faultily DVD then Blu-ray (e.g. the quality got better NOT worse).
Actually no - if any camera is dumb its the smartphone camera. Small image sensor, sub par low lighting performance, no zoom, no expanablilty (for iPhones). I can easily send each photo I've taken to an iPhone or iPad (though editing and usefulness on them is limited) or to my laptop. You obviously don't understand photography or cameras beyond the point of basic things, if you're not going to properly read and understand about camera variants.
That's why Steve Jobs came up with the cars & trucks analogy.
And he even knew this change would make some people uneasy.
And he even knew this change would make some people uneasy.
Look, 1 out of X people will continue to use standalone cameras that are not part of some smartdevice, but X-1 people will use their smartdevice as their only camera. All "normal" photography will be done by smartdevice.
Man...look what Samsung did with the design of S7 Edge...and S6 Edge Plus..and compare it with this..
just don't be a fanboy for a moment and compare that with this.
just don't be a fanboy for a moment and compare that with this.
The simple answer to your question is "yes". Some people will make a move. But nobody knows how many (probably no very many). People have different reasons for choosing one or another phone. Some might find this aging design too boring to bare. Most will probably stick around "for ecosystem".
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Define "normal photography". Some might consider only quality photography to be normal and think of smartphone photography as something else (lazy picture snapping?)
Rubbish! It was exactly the other way around. CDs got replaced by lower quality MP3s and Blu-Rays got replaced by lower quality MPEG-4s. Only now the better audio and video codecs like AAC and H.264 boost up quality again. Initially the freedom of digitalization and having everything available as a file needed to make up for a huge loss in signal quality. The same is true for cameras. Photography took a big decline in picture quality when it moved to the smartphone and now its coming up again. But it was worth it to get out of the prison of dumbcameras.
At the consumer level things went down hill, but not at a professional level, which is what we're talking about.
'Prison of dumb cameras' is a completely immature and stupid term to use. If you can't be bothered to learn how to use a digital camera there is a problem. They are not hard to use. Phone cameras will not overtake DSLR level quality, due to sensor size, no zoom, low light performance, flash performance, manual focus precision amongst a host of other things.
The only thing that the smartphone offers is convenience for those who couldn't care about how their images look.
Probably the same people who would consider trucks normal and cars an oddity.
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It's exactly the right term, pictures are trapped inside dumb cameras the same way songs were trapped on CD. People used to build 12 disc CD changers in the trunk of their cars to gain at least some flexibility on what to listen while driving. The very first iPod holding 1000 songs was a relief. And of course the audiophiles always hated on the sound quality of Apples white ear buds. That didn't stop the iPod from destroying the music industry. Or did it save them? I don't know, all I know there is no way back to read-only data carriers.
Try to think hard around topics like computation and communication.
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Your experience with any other camera besides the iPhone is obviously so limited that there is no point arguing. Pictures are not 'trapped' inside anything. As soon as I take my photo I can open the app on my phone and see it. Or I can plug the camera into the computer. Easy and simple and a very small trade off for superior control, image quality, zoom, low light performance amongst other things.
If we're going to play childish games, then the only dumb cameras around are smartphone cameras considering they can not effectively carry out the simple camera function of zooming.
Camera phones are good enough for many, that does not make other types of cameras invalid.
And how, it does! The first thing that came up by googling camera sales and it's a 40% drop. No no, this market is in good shape, smartphone cameras are no threat at all.
More doom and gloom: camera sales dropped badly in 2013, 2014 off to poor start
"The takeway? A significant decline in sales across the entire camera market. A 40% drop in cameras shipped last year, and a 20% drop in lenses. Mirrorless cameras fell 25%, and DSLRs by 19%. While both mirrorless and DSLR cameras grew in terms of market share, the overall decline in sales still mars that minor improvement."
Oh good another non related thing. Sales data has nothing to do with the hobbyist market or the professional market.
I can do unrelated sales data as well. iPad sales have also declined, yet according to people on here it means nothing about iPads.
Huh? Tell me about those markets that have nothing to do with sales data!
Oh yes, declining iPad sales mean something, it's just not yet clear what it means.
As I've repeatedly said, smartphones have been adopted by people who don't care about image quality, that does not mean that professionals, pro summers and hobbyists are also abandoning DSLRs and high end point and shoot cameras.
I'm not getting the S7 b/c it doesn't run stock android. I'm not a fan of touch wiz, although TW has improved quite a bit since the days of the GS3. And the iPhones (6S included) have had their fair share of issues. The S7 based on many reviews has greatly improved battery life. What does Apple do with the 6S? They actually decrease the battery. But of course they get away with it b/c it's Apple. I swear only Apple could get away with having a flagship device with 16gb storage and a 750p display. If the Note 5 launched with those specs, Samsung would be laughed out of the tech industry.
And I'll give Samsung credit for atleast listening to the consumers. They brought back the SD card slot and water resistance. Meanwhile all Apple gives a damn about is making everything thinner.
Again, I just want Apple to up their game. This half assing needs to end. Like I've said before, the S7 and S7 Edge make the iPhone look dated as all hell. Samsung is killing Apple in terms of hardware and design. The S7 is the best phone on the market right now IMO
To all the people on here fighting about iPhone being on par with a DLSR, tell me this.
Would you be happy for an average priced wedding photographer (around $2500 AUD) to whip out an iPhone to shoot your wedding with, or a $4000 camera body, with different lens types, high megapixel count, low noise image quality, and much more creative options.
Just my opinion as a photographer, but DSLRs for a good few years yet will produce a lot better image quality...especially when it comes to editing.
However, more on topic, I am excited to see what kind of quality images this camera produces. RAW imagine capabilities would be great
Would you be happy for an average priced wedding photographer (around $2500 AUD) to whip out an iPhone to shoot your wedding with, or a $4000 camera body, with different lens types, high megapixel count, low noise image quality, and much more creative options.
Just my opinion as a photographer, but DSLRs for a good few years yet will produce a lot better image quality...especially when it comes to editing.
However, more on topic, I am excited to see what kind of quality images this camera produces. RAW imagine capabilities would be great
I was thinking more along the lines of:
In all seriousness however, I quite like it. Not that radically different, but would like to see what the new camera is like and the reasons for the Smart Connector. I suppose there's also a possibility of changes to the front, though I'm not holding my breath.
I think I could live with whatever design mr Ive settles on as long as we get an OLED screen on par with Samsung devices.
The Edge s7 screen is simply jaw dropping.
The Edge s7 screen is simply jaw dropping.
Get used to seeing "leaked" photos of the back. These are all controlled leaks from Apple these back photos are going to lull us into a false state of same-ole same-ole "meh". But once that bezel-less, edge to edge, OLED & sapphire front is revealed we will all be happy again. cant wait.
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Except that mirrorless and DSLR sales have recovered from the second half of 2014 through 2015.
I'm still not sure I understand the "DSLRs are too complicated" argument. You turn on the camera, flip it to Aperture Priority, and start clicking away? If you want to change ISO, focus points, metering, you press the button on the top of the camera and change it? Yes, if you want to get into custom features the menus take some more scrolling but they aren't any more complicated than a smartphone is.
DSLRs are also becoming smarter, adding GPS, WiFi, and touchscreens. You still haven't addressed the argument that smartphones can't compete with DSLRs in terms of flexibility except by the argument that "people don't want that" which is blatantly false. I'd like to see you address that topic with something more than "smartphones = future" over and over. At least if I want to take a 12mm wide, 30 second exposure at 3200ISO and f8 or use a 35mm f1.4 lens to get an ultra thin focal plan on a face I can, unlike on smartphone.
Also, aren't smartphone sales in decline?