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PowerBook & eMac EOL'd?
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We all were at that point... but something just makes you coming back again... and again... and again. This site is about as addictive as cocaine. Not that I would know what cocaine would be like...
with a minor speed bump apple will be under far less pressure to produce a G5 powerbook .... this is a "give us some time damnit!" upgrade
If the 12" gets given a better gfx card i'd be very happy .. but i dont think that will happen, ah well ...
roll on tuesday
If the 12" gets given a better gfx card i'd be very happy .. but i dont think that will happen, ah well ...
roll on tuesday
This EOL will probably just be a minor upgrade, but I"m sure it won't solve Apple's PB problems (of which the CPU is only one). The Powerbook line has become the Apple dog, for good reason (see many of the above posts).GonzoRob said:
People are voting with their purchases, and almost everyone is choosing NOT to buy the current PB line. Their quarterly sales numbers don't lie.
They need to solve the FSB problems, provide a better LCD/screen resolution (when was the last time it improved?), up the stock memory, etc. While the PB line has some benefits, it has not increased performance as much as it should have since my PB Ti 400 purchase of early 2001 ...
Dudes! If Gateway can do it, so can Apple!
My Dad had to fix a Gateway notebook. It was very light, completely quiet, and had a 2.60 GHz processor in it. They had that thing designed so the heat would come out of the sides. The bottom only got slightly warm. If a company like Gateway can do it, surely Apple can.
My Dad had to fix a Gateway notebook. It was very light, completely quiet, and had a 2.60 GHz processor in it. They had that thing designed so the heat would come out of the sides. The bottom only got slightly warm. If a company like Gateway can do it, surely Apple can.
The difference between these thin and "powerful" PC notebooks is that they all have integrated graphics. The only two gateway notebooks with graphics card are the 1.21" 5.8-6.0lb notebook with either the Radeon 9000 or 9600, or the 1.51" 9lb notebook with the Radeon 9700.
Apple is not trying to fit in a 64-bit processor, they are trying to fit in the 64-bit processor, a high performance video card, the slot loading drive, a bunch of ports (DVI, S-Video, USB, Firewire, etc.), and all the other things that make the current PowerBook, and probably with something new to impress us throw in there too.
Apple is not trying to fit in a 64-bit processor, they are trying to fit in the 64-bit processor, a high performance video card, the slot loading drive, a bunch of ports (DVI, S-Video, USB, Firewire, etc.), and all the other things that make the current PowerBook, and probably with something new to impress us throw in there too.
Depends on what you need it for. I've been comparing the two for a few months now, and I'm probably going to spend the extra money on the PowerBook. For me, the key differences are:MacSA said:The 12" Powerbook is £400 more than the 12" iBook. Pretty pricey
- Dual-display. I give PowerPoint presentations at work. I really want (close to need) the ability to use the presenter tools, where I can see my notes and the next slide while the audience only sees the current slide (via a projector attached to the external display port.) I know there are hacks to get this on an iBook, but I'd still prefer using a supported configuration.
- Audio input. When I'm not at work, I plan on attching it to the line-out on my mixer board (which connects a microphone and a few instruments.) Without this port, I would need to buy an external audio breakout box. I may end up getting one anyway in the future, but with a PowerBook, I don't have to get one as long as I don't want to record more than two channels at a time.
- More speed for the size case. The 12" PowerBook is 1.33GHz. To get that speed in an iBook, you have to get the 14" model.
- Larger standard hard drive. 60G vs. 30G. Everybody I've spoken to agrees that a hard drive upgrade in an iBook or 12" PB is not a recommended do-it-yourself project.
Uhm, not quite!
It sounds like you don't know much about the *NORMAL* computer user. Trust me, it's an issue. And *ALL* software have potential security flaws. This goes for Macs as well. As for Windows (any version). It was a poorly designed OS from the get-go and has remained so. I still prefer ATT Sys V R4 based systems for work. Give me Solaris any day. Though I must say, OS X comes a pretty close second. I just wish there weren't as many issues with code compatibility.
ph0rk said:
It sounds like you don't know much about the *NORMAL* computer user. Trust me, it's an issue. And *ALL* software have potential security flaws. This goes for Macs as well. As for Windows (any version). It was a poorly designed OS from the get-go and has remained so. I still prefer ATT Sys V R4 based systems for work. Give me Solaris any day. Though I must say, OS X comes a pretty close second. I just wish there weren't as many issues with code compatibility.
shamino said:
i just wanted to point out one or two things real quick, might save you some cash.
-get the screen spanning hack for the ibook
-if you are using the audio-in for any kind of semi-serious audio stuff, you will immediately notice that it is of very poor quality. spend 100 bucks and get a decent breakout. its meant to hook up a microphone, not an instrument (the audio-in that is).
-if you can notice a difference between a 1.2 and 1.33 processor, i applaud you.
-get a BTO system with a hard drive upgrade.
i dunno, its kind of off-topic, but i just feel like people should have all the facts. and maybe you will save yourself some money off that ridic premium apple demands for an aging and outdated system.
freeorangeshoes said:
Some quick points in response...
- The difference in speed between the iBook and the PowerBook may not seem like much, but it's more than simply a 0.13GHZ increase in speed might suggest because
a) The PowerBook also has a faster system bus of 167Mhz as opposed to 133Mhz
b) The PowerBook also has faster RAM
Trust me I have used both and I can certainly see the speed increase on the PowerBook.
Having said that, despite the fact that the PowerBook *is* faster, and more fully featured, it certainly isn't worth the $600 price difference (IMHO). Roll on the updates on Tuesday. And here's hoping for a price drop at the same time, if they don't G5 or Freescale these puppies... and the chances of either of those happening is slim let's be honest...
Floop said:
The faster RAM is as marginal a performance difference as the extra 130MHz. Given that the G4 motherboard isn't really DDR-capable, the benefits of DDR RAM are mostly in marketing, though there is some benefit to the faster RAM (mostly in lower latency/more agressive timings).
I'd also like to add:
c) Slim, aluminum enclosure. This is both more expensive than the iBook and more impressive. While it does not justify the $600 higher starting point, if Apple released an iBook and a PowerBook with the EXACT same specifications, the PowerBook would still be more expensive based on the thinner metal case.
Computers of this thickness and featuring aluminum or magnesium or something that isn't plastic are rare, even in the vast PC world. That cool factor is a price premium. Backlit keyboards across the line would add to the appeal as well, buying them time for a REAL hardware upgrade.
It's a $300 difference in price. You'd spend the other $300 on the iBook when you pick the 14" model to get the faster processor and larger hard drive.Floop said:
As I wrote the first time, whether the difference in features is worth $300 to you or not is a matter of opinion.
It's very sad to see people like freeorangeshoes that consider you stupid and incompetant if you disagree.
wezwaldo said:Does anyone know what time of day apple usually updates its store site with new products?
I was wondering this too. Also, keep in mind (at least for those of us on the east coast or in the midwest) that Apple would be on Pacific coast time.
I recall both 9AM EST and 9AM PST update times. Not saying it is true, but that's what this old brain remembers. I'm EST so I'll be checking most often at around 9AM and around Noon for updates. Hopefully that will help me limit my online visits to the Apple Store to under 40 for the day.
The U.S. online store shuts down by 8am ET/5am PT on mornings when an update is coming and is back up again by 9am ET/6am PT. The times when the store goes down at 9am PT are only during Steve keynotes (like MWSF & WWDC). There won't be any PowerBook updates coming today folks.
Lancetx said:
I seem to remember a time in the last year that they did like a mid morning update.
Hey! Maybe Apple is just planning on getting rid of their laptop lines. Who knows? We could possibly watch Apple switch into a Mac Mini extravaganza, selling only that computer in a short period of time!
Please note the sacasm... I'm sure that we all can wait here.
(off topic...)
Is anyone else disappointed in the fact that the iPod has overrun the Apple Store at the Mall at Millenia (Orlando). I'm not sure if this has taken place in the other stores around the country, but a lot of what the store used to have has been taken over by iPods. Maybe the Mac Mini will replace some of these, then we can see a return to our tranditional store.
Please note the sacasm... I'm sure that we all can wait here.
(off topic...)
Is anyone else disappointed in the fact that the iPod has overrun the Apple Store at the Mall at Millenia (Orlando). I'm not sure if this has taken place in the other stores around the country, but a lot of what the store used to have has been taken over by iPods. Maybe the Mac Mini will replace some of these, then we can see a return to our tranditional store.
rockandrule said:
Yeah, that would be like a car manufacturer not offering an SUV in the US market.
hi everyone, sorry to rain on the parade,
but when I went to the apple store on campus last friday they told me 2-3 weeks before something new will be announced. I hope they're wrong because I was planning on purchasingthe 12" pb, and now I'm really eager to get my dirty hands on a mac laptop... Lets's hope it's today
but when I went to the apple store on campus last friday they told me 2-3 weeks before something new will be announced. I hope they're wrong because I was planning on purchasingthe 12" pb, and now I'm really eager to get my dirty hands on a mac laptop... Lets's hope it's today