Cheers, looks like I'd better be good and have some self control on Saturday then (in fact may be its best if I don't go :+)
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Cheers, looks like I'd better be good and have some self control on Saturday then (in fact may be its best if I don't go :+)
Hope the announcment is soon.
hmm...
Ok.
I'm not trolling, however:
If new powerbooks ship in sept. that's ~11 months between updates for the 15".
almost a year.
And everyone is saying there is only going to be a 300mhz jump in speed .
I'm sorry.
I know it isn't Apples fault, but that's just plain sad. Right now I'm trying to decided between a Centrino Notebook or a Powerbook. I know OSX r00x0rz, but consdiering I spend 98% of my computing time inside another program, such as photoshop, freehand, etc.. the OS isn't the largest issue.
And before all the "What do you need a screaming processor for?"
questions pop up, let me just say, I need the speed for 2 years in the future, when I want to run God Knows what --- maybe Photoshop 15 with Fractal Image restoration or something.
So, some of you will tell me to go and buy my Centrino and shut up, some will say the powerbook will do just fine, and the others will agree.
So, what's my point?
I want to switch. I want a powerbook. But I want my money's worth.
Anyways,
Dissapointedly yours,
_f
P.S. I keep trying to justify waiting. To justify the price. But as each week passes, it gets just a little bit harder. *sigh*
Ok.
I'm not trolling, however:
If new powerbooks ship in sept. that's ~11 months between updates for the 15".
almost a year.
And everyone is saying there is only going to be a 300mhz jump in speed .
I'm sorry.
I know it isn't Apples fault, but that's just plain sad. Right now I'm trying to decided between a Centrino Notebook or a Powerbook. I know OSX r00x0rz, but consdiering I spend 98% of my computing time inside another program, such as photoshop, freehand, etc.. the OS isn't the largest issue.
And before all the "What do you need a screaming processor for?"
questions pop up, let me just say, I need the speed for 2 years in the future, when I want to run God Knows what --- maybe Photoshop 15 with Fractal Image restoration or something.
So, some of you will tell me to go and buy my Centrino and shut up, some will say the powerbook will do just fine, and the others will agree.
So, what's my point?
I want to switch. I want a powerbook. But I want my money's worth.
Anyways,
Dissapointedly yours,
_f
P.S. I keep trying to justify waiting. To justify the price. But as each week passes, it gets just a little bit harder. *sigh*
freundt...
take a look at this article comparing the PowerPC to x86 archtecture. It may change your mind about the comparable speed difference. If not, it is still an interesting read...
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3997&page=1
take a look at this article comparing the PowerPC to x86 archtecture. It may change your mind about the comparable speed difference. If not, it is still an interesting read...
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3997&page=1
Isnt in theory also tomorrow coming out the bluetooth mouse? Could be that the best way to enjoy ur bluetooth mouse is what a brand spanking new 15in Al pbook...
Why Friday?
Remember the translated rumor from the japanese site saying that we'd have new powerbooks on the 25th? If not, don't worry. It's likely dead wrong.
Jaedreth
Remember the translated rumor from the japanese site saying that we'd have new powerbooks on the 25th? If not, don't worry. It's likely dead wrong.
Jaedreth
Hi freundt;
I agree if we end up only + 300MHz faster that won't be much of an improvement. On the other hand we don't want to jump to conclusions, as a larger internal cache and the GPU could have a considerable impact. Of course no one knows what that configuration will be.
From my perspective the operating system is the issue. I would not consider a Intel based laptop unless it was capable of running Linux. But one has to realize that Linux isn't OS/X.
At this time I can't reasonably reccomend going out and buying a current TiBook, if they do not have a pressing need. On the other hand if you do have the need then by all menas go for it. It is obvious that what ever Apple does the 15" will get a major revamping if for nothing else to bring it up to par with its brothers and sisters.
I find it as sad as you the idividuals that question the need for speed. First there isn't a laptop made that matches a desk top in performance so right there is an issue. Further until software can perform operations as fast as I can think we will not have fast enough hardware.
I'm not going to tell you to buy a centrino, I can only suggest waiting until apple releases the the new Power Books and then make your decision. Its hard to tell whats up, one fear that I have is that Appl is in the same position with the Power Books as they where with the Power Macs - that is no viable processor to rev the designs with. Stagnet!
Dave
I agree if we end up only + 300MHz faster that won't be much of an improvement. On the other hand we don't want to jump to conclusions, as a larger internal cache and the GPU could have a considerable impact. Of course no one knows what that configuration will be.
From my perspective the operating system is the issue. I would not consider a Intel based laptop unless it was capable of running Linux. But one has to realize that Linux isn't OS/X.
At this time I can't reasonably reccomend going out and buying a current TiBook, if they do not have a pressing need. On the other hand if you do have the need then by all menas go for it. It is obvious that what ever Apple does the 15" will get a major revamping if for nothing else to bring it up to par with its brothers and sisters.
I find it as sad as you the idividuals that question the need for speed. First there isn't a laptop made that matches a desk top in performance so right there is an issue. Further until software can perform operations as fast as I can think we will not have fast enough hardware.
I'm not going to tell you to buy a centrino, I can only suggest waiting until apple releases the the new Power Books and then make your decision. Its hard to tell whats up, one fear that I have is that Appl is in the same position with the Power Books as they where with the Power Macs - that is no viable processor to rev the designs with. Stagnet!
Dave
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Just a scary thought...
We can all agree that Apple has adopted a marketing policy of 'see it now, have it later', right?
I see 2 if's derived from this...
1 if. If apple releases news of a new powerbook line (updates to all or some) either this friday, or next month, or in september, how long would we have to wait to get them in our greedy hands? 2-4 months like previous releases? That puts the physical release near the holidays or even next year! 😱
2 if. If Apple doesn't say a word, and does a physical release in September which I think will be the case... it throws off the previous Apple marketing scheme and adds to thousands of future threads trying to descern how much acid Jobs is doing and when their G7 PowerMac is comming!
It's a cruel, cruel world of 'ifs'...
Yes, Jobs did acid...... 😀
We can all agree that Apple has adopted a marketing policy of 'see it now, have it later', right?
I see 2 if's derived from this...
1 if. If apple releases news of a new powerbook line (updates to all or some) either this friday, or next month, or in september, how long would we have to wait to get them in our greedy hands? 2-4 months like previous releases? That puts the physical release near the holidays or even next year! 😱
2 if. If Apple doesn't say a word, and does a physical release in September which I think will be the case... it throws off the previous Apple marketing scheme and adds to thousands of future threads trying to descern how much acid Jobs is doing and when their G7 PowerMac is comming!
It's a cruel, cruel world of 'ifs'...
Yes, Jobs did acid...... 😀
Im thinking the same, the 7457's arent yet available in quantity, and the 970's (including the ASICS) could well be too hot.
Whilst Ill be happy with a 1.33G4, I would much prefer a 1.2G G5. Face it, what confidence do we have in Moto getting the G4 to 2GHz!, precisely, lets keep it for the iBooks and iMacs, the G4 is still a great chip for the consumer range, they just need to scale to 2GHz fairly quickly or else. And get those G5's into the PB's ASAP. 😡
great article for us pro-sumers who don't know assembly language 🙂 as for the authors company, they face an uphill battle, definitely a good senior project for a mba student.
well, it's midnight, and the apple store isn't down yet, guess the wait continues . . .😱
300mhz speed bump and a doubling of the L2 cache. I've heard that the 30% speed increase (That's pretty good in one go, by the way. Not so great for a whole year, but not a shabby upgrade for a PPC, which isn't all about clock speed anyway) coupled with the new cache results in a 40% performance increase. If that's true, these 7447's should feel downright zippy.
I'd reconsider this. The OS informs the use of any program. I've used Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign, Fireworks, Dreamweaver, Freehand, and Flash in windows 98, 2000, XP and Mac OSX, as well as Gimp, sodipodi, imagemagick and a host of other software in linux and freebsd. OSX wins. Period. XP has nice memory handling for me, which with photoshop is a definite plus, but man, I'm doing my development work on a 450mhz cube with 512mb sdram and I prefer it to my 1.6ghz XP machine with a gig of ddr ram. I don't know, maybe it's the menubar or something, but I'm already happier working in OSX (4 months experience), even on what should be a real dog of a machine, than I ever was working with windows (5 years experience) or linux (3 years experience.)
Besides, windows has no equivalent to BBedit. And now the Mac OS has all these astounding tools from the unix side that you can get for absolutely no financial outlay, just a bit of mucking about in the terminal. Being able to use imagemagick for batch processing image files AND photoshop on the same box is a godsend.
I know mileage varies, but even XP, the most stable windows OS I've used, crashes like a bastard. And you have to restart for EVERYTHING. Photoshop especially rides an OS hard, and XP just doesn't take it well. Open a few psd's, dreamweaver, and four or five browser windows, and XP starts to buckle badly. OSX creaks a little, but it holds on much better, and when something goes down, that's all that happens, that one program closes. The entire environment doesn't go bonkers.
Well, from personal experience (I am a senior computer science major) you really don't need a whole lot of processing power for a CS major. The majority of coding you will do is fairly standardized... you will pop open a terminal and code some c++, and use the standard gcc compiler. An iBook would be perfectly fine for this. Also, I doubt you will be doing much of it on your local machine. I'd be willing to bet that you ssh into one of your CS servers, and code within your home directory there. I have a 1GHz powerbook and haven't had any problems, including the software engineering/UML Design programs I've used (Although the standard, Rational Rose for windows, is better than anything available for OS X/Unix). Just thought I'd let ya know 🙂
Ok, you got me... Very convincing arguments panphage -- and everyone else who responded...I think I'll happily wait pateintly to see what Apple pulls out of their Paisley Magic Bag.
Thanks for clearig my head.
_f
PLEASE HELPPPP!!!!
I need some guidance, I'm about to buy a PB but I can really wait a few more months, I just want to know if apple will release something new and if they will drop the prices. Really need to buy a titanium. I already red an article that says that they will not manufacture a G5 PB anytime soon. So is there going to be a 1.1 & 1.3 mhz PB, or what???
Thanks you in advanced for helping me
I need some guidance, I'm about to buy a PB but I can really wait a few more months, I just want to know if apple will release something new and if they will drop the prices. Really need to buy a titanium. I already red an article that says that they will not manufacture a G5 PB anytime soon. So is there going to be a 1.1 & 1.3 mhz PB, or what???
Thanks you in advanced for helping me
After much deliberation, I've decided to shirk the PB G4 for the iBook G3. The realization that the G4 isn't really any faster than the G3 except with Altivec -enhanced applications was the clincher... I don't run Photoshop at all (the Gimp http://gimp.org serves my rare photo-editing needs).
The sleek body designs and larger displays are nice, but let's face it, even with motorola's new speed bump, the G4 CPU design is still crippled by the puny memory bus. I might as well get a similar performing machine (G3) for much less, and then resell it when the PB G5 makes the scene next year.
One might also note that the TiBook has almost nothing the iBook does not, with the exception of the display.
Of course they could surprise us by coming out with a Dual G4 17" machine... I keep hearing this but it's no more believable now than it's ever been. Never mind the battery life issue - How exactly do you think they'll dissapate all that heat? Water-based cooling shipping in consumer laptops is at least another year away. The 17" is borderline as it is, and with an upgraded GPU, there will be no way to get rid of all the excess heat.
No Dual PB for us!
Sorry, apple... it's too little, too late for your PB line this year.
Of course, why should they care? I'm still buying their iBook.(used on ebay).. 😛
The sleek body designs and larger displays are nice, but let's face it, even with motorola's new speed bump, the G4 CPU design is still crippled by the puny memory bus. I might as well get a similar performing machine (G3) for much less, and then resell it when the PB G5 makes the scene next year.
One might also note that the TiBook has almost nothing the iBook does not, with the exception of the display.
Of course they could surprise us by coming out with a Dual G4 17" machine... I keep hearing this but it's no more believable now than it's ever been. Never mind the battery life issue - How exactly do you think they'll dissapate all that heat? Water-based cooling shipping in consumer laptops is at least another year away. The 17" is borderline as it is, and with an upgraded GPU, there will be no way to get rid of all the excess heat.
No Dual PB for us!
Sorry, apple... it's too little, too late for your PB line this year.
Of course, why should they care? I'm still buying their iBook.(used on ebay).. 😛
Re: PLEASE HELPPPP!!!!
If you can't wait, just buy one now. With the new educational discounts the PB is much cheaper than it has been. Even if Apple miraculously releases and ships this month, prices may rebound back to the original PB price when the TiBooks were first released. Just speculation, but with an edu discount you can get a nice TiBook for $2200. Not a bad deal.
So you are saying that a PB G3 does the job just like a PB T?? for real because if that's the case I just get a G#, now if anybody know , tell me how the G3 Processor handles Flash. I'm a flash designer, and also a mucisian. Is it worthy to spend almost an extra 2000 u$s for a G$ titanium or should i go with a G3?
Re: Re: PLEASE HELPPPP!!!!
So apple is planning to jack up the prices???? Dam I better get one now then 😉
So apple is planning to jack up the prices???? Dam I better get one now then 😉
Rower_CPU
Moderator emeritus
Here's the usual process when Apple updates a product.
Product gets old
Apple drops prices to clear stock
Apple introduces new product
Their last couple of releases have actually brought prices lower than the original, so I wouldn't worry too much about the prices being jacked up.
For your Flash and music needs, I'd say a G4 will be better. Just sit tight and see what happens in August.
Product gets old
Apple drops prices to clear stock
Apple introduces new product
Their last couple of releases have actually brought prices lower than the original, so I wouldn't worry too much about the prices being jacked up.
For your Flash and music needs, I'd say a G4 will be better. Just sit tight and see what happens in August.
Please take a look at these sites:
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3CARDS/XLR8G4/index.html
http://www.barefeats.com/g450.html
If your applications do not use Altivec SIMD instructions intensely (like some photoshop plugins, video editing software probably...), a G3 and G4 clocked at the same speed should perform more or less equivalent to each other.
I could be wrong but I do not believe that Flash makes any serious use of Altivec...
It's like paying $1000 more for a Pentium MMX instead of a Pentium, if you don't mind a slightly outdated metaphor.
The G3 iBook has firewire, USB and airport capabilities just like the TiBook...
(I am also a musician and plan on using the firewire port to connect to a digital sound interface for recording...)
Of course the TiBook has a faster GPU and the 15" screen. How important is that to you?
If someone can correct me on Flash not using Altivec, please do...
hope this help.
-chomsky
The G4 will be better, certainly.. but "better enough" to justify the difference in price? Only if a user's apps use Altivec, or if the new body designs are critical to a user's requirements.
Once again, my highly opinionated $0.02
-chomsky
Thanks guy for your input!!! I'm going to the apple store with a copy of photoshop and I'm going to test both ti and PB g3 . Steve won't take my dollars that easy.!
Thanks again
Thanks again
Photoshop benefits greatly from Altivec. It's just about the altivec poster child. If you run photoshop a lot, you want a powerbook.
Frebruary 2004-PowerBook G5
Dont know what to say or think at this:
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,111551,00.asp
Dont know what to say or think at this:
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,111551,00.asp