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bodeh6 said:
How about they just give the 15" Powerbook then old 17" resolution of 1440x900 and give the new 17" the resolution of 1680x1050.

That's exactly what I want in this next revision. Would be a good mate for my Dell 2005fpw (1680x1050).

I just can't stand a height less than 900.
 
pubwvj said:
I am curious as to why. This is a real question. I have a Pismo which is 1024x768 and am happy with that. My sons just got an iMac G5 20" which is a lot larger screen. I find the extra width unconfortable for mousing around and when viewing web pages I set the window to the same size I use on the Pismo's smaller screen for comfortable reading. The only three times I can think when I might want it larger is for Illustrator, Photoshop and very big spreadsheets but even then the 1024x768 feels like enough.

So, what is it about a wider screen that you want?

Just because you don't have a use for it doesn't mean others will not. I could definitely use the real estate for Dreamweaver, multiple development IDEs, and Photoshop with its many palettes. I've never had to display two documents side by side to compare, but I'm sure someone will offer that reason for wanting a widescreen display. Web pages shouldn't be displayed in windows wider than 800 pixels, I'll give you that, but you can size it accordingly, move to one side, and still be able to monitor IM sessions or terminal windows. Remember, these are Powerbooks and are targeted towards power users.
 
Higher resolutions

pubwvj said:
So, what is it about a wider screen that you want?

Various reasons - some of which have also been covered by others here.

Mainly, I want to be able to see more of a high resolution picture at a time when viewing 1:1.

MacOS X handles the sizing just fine, so text will still be the same size and readable, icons likewise (admittedly some application icons will be tinier)
 
Think different - think choice

Village said:
Just because you don't have a use for it doesn't mean others will not. I could definitely use the real estate for Dreamweaver, multiple development IDEs, and Photoshop with its many palettes. I've never had to display two documents side by side to compare, but I'm sure someone will offer that reason for wanting a widescreen display. Web pages shouldn't be displayed in windows wider than 800 pixels, I'll give you that, but you can size it accordingly, move to one side, and still be able to monitor IM sessions or terminal windows. Remember, these are Powerbooks and are targeted towards power users.
Note that Dell offers a choice of resolutions in many models, for example....
  • D610 - 14.1" - 1024x768 or 1400x1050 pixels
  • D810 - 15.4" wide - 1280x800, 1680x1050, or 1920x1200 pixels
All these resolution arguments would disappear if Apple simply gave people a choice. (And sales might even climb....)
 
Apple, another slave to Intel.

AidenShaw said:
Note that Dell offers a choice of resolutions in many models, for example....
  • D610 - 14.1" - 1024x768 or 1400x1050 pixels
  • D810 - 15.4" wide - 1280x800, 1680x1050, or 1920x1200 pixels
All these resolution arguments would disappear if Apple simply gave people a choice. (And sales might even climb....)

Same with HP and probably any other Wintel notebook. HP has the best displays of any manufacturer though, they are so SWEET! Great for CAD
 
Just which rock are we talking about?

minimax said:
Probably you haven't used a PC since win95/98/me. XP is rock solid.

Gosh, I'm running XP right now.

And yet, I had to boot my machine *twice* this morning (again), because our Active Desktop "upgrade" of four months ago, which routinely causes us to have irregular (but around weekly) "can't find your User Profile" errors.

Sure, I'll agree that XP is "solid as a rock", but only if I'm the one who gets to specify just which geologic rock strata we're talking about. My choice of rock is Calcium Carbonate (CaCO3), but in the structural form of the soft & porus version of limestone that is commonly known as "chalk".

No, XP ain't the Rock of Gibraltar...nor any other geologic substance that even approaches Granite or Bassalt.

-hh
 
fordlemon said:
Same with HP and probably any other Wintel notebook. HP has the best displays of any manufacturer though, they are so SWEET! Great for CAD

Agreed, my company uses nc8000 across the line for mobile CAD usage, awesome little things but the batteries still suck, list most others. I actually prefer the slightly softer appearance of my PB to most Wintelbook displays, easier for longer periods, and since it isn't craping out all the time, I actually get to use it longer :)
 
-hh said:
Sure, I'll agree that XP is "solid as a rock", but only if I'm the one who gets to specify just which geologic rock strata we're talking about. My choice of rock is Calcium Carbonate (CaCO3), but in the structural form of the soft & porus version of limestone that is commonly known as "chalk".

No, XP ain't the Rock of Gibraltar...nor any other geologic substance that even approaches Granite or Bassalt.

-hh

Hahaha! Brilliant. I'm adding that to my quotes collection (yes, I'm sad)
 
-hh said:
And yet, I had to boot my machine *twice* this morning (again), because our Active Desktop "upgrade" of four months ago, which routinely causes us to have irregular (but around weekly) "can't find your User Profile" errors.
...
No, XP ain't the Rock of Gibraltar...nor any other geologic substance that even approaches Granite or Bassalt.
On our domain, the user profiles use "Active Directory" - perhaps if you're storing them on your "Active Desktop" that's part of your problem.

Or maybe your IT department needs a bit of training - this sounds like a screwup in your office, not an AD bug.

BTW, before picking a mineral to describe OSX - you should look at all the problem reports for just the latest security patch.

May I suggest the mineral "mica"?

OSX is a bit flaky at the moment with the various Tiger issues and now another bungled update.

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EGT said:
Hahaha! Brilliant. I'm adding that to my quotes collection (yes, I'm sad)

Thanks,

FWIW, I did go looking for my personal photo of the White Cliffs of Dover to tack onto that...until I realized that its on desktop rotation of the Mac at home, not my work PC.

Hopefully, I'll remember to toss it up online this weekend. It was taken from that waterfront park that they made with the spoils from the Chunnel.

-hh
 
AidenShaw said:
On our domain, the user profiles use "Active Directory" - perhaps if you're storing them on your "Active Desktop" that's part of your problem.

Or maybe your IT department needs a bit of training - this sounds like a screwup in your office, not an AD bug.

I'd fully expect it to be some "obscurity" BS that's a function of generically how much of a pain it is to get Windows working 'just right', and the technical abilities of our IT'ers. However, since our current local IT'er is pretty good ... and she has around 20 people in our buidling with this problem, it is, for the moment, a "learn to live with it". Since we are talking about MS products here, the expectations for quality product are so low such that this position is considered acceptable by management.

BTW, before picking a mineral to describe OSX - you should look at all the problem reports for just the latest security patch.

Sure...I'm not saying that OSX isn't entirely without its shortcomings as well. Its just that I find the generic Windows OS defense to be that our information is obsolete and that we must be talking about the "Bad Old Days" of 95 or 98, not the golden child of XP. I've been running both XP and OSX on a daily basis for the past two years and have absolutely no doubts about which one has caused me more forced reboots.

And given all of the bizzaro stuff I've *also* had with wireless networking on my IBM T41p (not a cheap laptop by any measure) - - both before and after our AD migration - - I'm looking forward to getting a "cheap iBook" to solve that hassle.


-hh
 
~loserman~ said:
I do not want and will likely never buy another Mac after it goes to Intel.

May I ask what your reasoning is behind that? I ask, because for a lot of people, they love the OS, and in that respect, what's underneath the hood does not matter to them. Just wondering what bothers you so much about the manufacturer of the chip that would make you abandon an entire platform. And I'm not trying to start anything here, I am honestly curious.
 
~loserman~ said:
I do not want and will likely never buy another Mac after it goes to Intel.
THe only thing changing right now is the processor, so seems like the problem is with Intel...coz everything else about the macs remain the same....THen my friend, if AMD goes out of business...you wont have ANY computer to buy!!! Just an observation...nothing personal....
 
DHagan4755 said:
That's a little extreme and irrational, don't you think?
:confused:

That's a little premature to say don't you think? I can't speak for ~loserman~ but what about, TPM, f.i.? If a Mac ships with that little innocent chip it's goodbye Mac for me as well.
 
i'm not really concerned if you guys will buy mactels or not!! BTW, I think you all do well stop bying macs after it changes to intel, 'cause there will be plenty more macs available for those who are really interested!! :D
 
achtung! said:
i'm not really concerned if you guys will buy mactels or not!! BTW, I think you all do well stop bying macs after it changes to intel, 'cause there will be plenty more macs available for those who are really interested!! :D

Oh come on, don't be silly.

Instead you should say something like this: You guys not buying macs?! OMFG!!!1111 Apple is losing 2 sales! You must buy Apple's overpriced computers so they can sucker $500 out of each of you in sheer extra profits to stop the Evil Empire!

The fact is, irregardless of demand, Apple will always have macs on their shelves. Irregardless of demand. Be it 1 million, 1 billion, or hell, even 6 billion (that will be one happy world where lawyers can do kind deeds and cats can dance with dogs), it is definitely in Apple's interests to keep pumping out more and more of these.. computers.

Why so?

Show me a Chinese shopkeeper who turns down business and I will show up an Apple who will say "Oh no! We are not selling any more macs cos we wannna be 31337, and if there are too many macs out there we are not LEET anymore".

It just won't happen. Contrary to what you make think, Apple only exists to make money, and not to bring about world peace or some other thing that'd give you the fuzzies.

All fuzzies are just marketoid induced advertising and product perception that is intended precisely to make them money. Simple!

Take some marketing courses. I'd consider Apple to be a marketing centric company first and foremost, and then a technology company. The way they can just make a *big* deal out of a tiny bump in Mhz and a few tiny features here and there.. and then sell it at huge inflated prices over competiting systems with superior specs, heck, it is truly respectable.

The RDF does work! :D
 
achtung! said:
i'm not really concerned if you guys will buy mactels or not!! BTW, I think you all do well stop bying macs after it changes to intel, 'cause there will be plenty more macs available for those who are really interested!! :D

ignorance = bliss = happy consumer
 
come on, i don't need any marketing courses to make a statment! i can speak for myself! i don't care about all that marketeer **** or whatever...

problaby apple has macs in shelves in the US, :p you guys make me laugh!!! i've spent 4 months waiting for a powerbook! guess why?!!!
 
~Shard~ said:
May I ask what your reasoning is behind that? I ask, because for a lot of people, they love the OS, and in that respect, what's underneath the hood does not matter to them. Just wondering what bothers you so much about the manufacturer of the chip that would make you abandon an entire platform. And I'm not trying to start anything here, I am honestly curious.

My primary reason to use a Mac in the first place had nothing to do with the OS.

I find Apples OS X to be very inefficient. It has a Very Poor memory sub-system/manager, and Poor Scheduler. It has terrible latency in it's TCP/IP stack(from 8 to 14 times as high as Linux). The list can go on and on.
I also add that XCODE is about the worst development enviroment I have every used. Might as well just use your favorite text editor and gcc.
But hey it's free right!!! I guess the saying you get what you pay for is very true!!!( At least when it comes to Xcode)

But... those are not the reasons I find Mac's on Intel unattractive.
The reason is the piss poor floating point performance of X86 CPUs.

Floating point performance was...
My primary reason to use a Mac in the first place and had nothing to do with the OS.

Now that Apple is embracing X86 like all the other guys they won't have anything that interests me.... IMO they will just be selling an over priced (Insert PC vendor here). Especially since OS X gets in my way for doing work anyway due to it's many inefficiencies.

Heck If I am stuck with X86 I might as well buy a DELL/HP/SONY/etc/etc and save the 25 to 30% surcharge that Apple will sell a Mac for over an EQUALLY (read EXACTLY) configured PC.
I really believe you guys will start to see the light of how much the real cost of OS X and the Apple Logo will be once the new X86 Mac's arrive.
Apple DOES NOT sell enough computers to get the favored pricing that Dell and others do. Nor will they be able to defray manufacturing costs across there machines because of their miniscule volume as compared to others.
Therefore equally configured machines from Apple will cost 25 to 30% more. I know most people here wont believe that but all I can say is watch and see.
 
~loserman~ said:
My primary reason to use a Mac in the first place had nothing to do with the OS.

<snip>

Thanks for the detailed reply ~loserman~, I appreciate it. You make some very interesting points, and seem to have given this matter a lot of thought. As you have eluded to, it will be interesting to see how things turn out with the move to Intel. :cool:
 
~loserman~ said:
<snip>

Heck If I am stuck with X86 I might as well buy a DELL/HP/SONY/etc/etc and save the 25 to 30% surcharge that Apple will sell a Mac for over an EQUALLY (read EXACTLY) configured PC.

<snip>

I agree that once Macs become x86 based, the configurations will look nearly identical unless Intel is giving Apple a special chip or something that will set them apart in a different way. Seeing that as a lull chance, I would agree that we will see equal configs and therefore one could argue equal performance (save for OS differences). The internals will be the same, but the outside will always be soooo much nicer on the Macs. Even the latest pc counterparts still look like plastic and even though they come with "better" (can be argued either way) screens, the casing and quality feel sub-par in comparison. I would be willing to pay an extra $100 - $250 for a quality system that feels like it could potentially last me more than a year, and I would be willing to bet that all other things equal, there are some other users on here would pony up for the design and feel as well.
 
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