There was a time not so long ago when Apple just couldn't seem to keep up with the rate of progress in the PC world. Now Apple seems to be on a path to outpacing the competition in both hardware and software. This is a good thing...a very long overdue good thing. However, recent purchasers of the latest and greatest will feel a bit let down if their latest and greatest becomes yesterday's technology too quickly. That's human nature, but it does NOT mean that your Dual 2GHz machine is suddenly any slower...you waited for a 2GHz processor and you got it. If it does the job for you, be happy and wait 3 years for the 8 GHz model. Motto: buy what you need today and skip the incremental speed bumps; upgrade again when there is a substantially newer model.
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PowerMac G5 Revision in Jan 2004?
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Re: A little fast, don't you think!
Make no mistake... if Apple has your money, and your system is running, they don't care about how peeved you are.
:-(
Make no mistake... if Apple has your money, and your system is running, they don't care about how peeved you are.
:-(
hmmm . .
With these updates coming so quickly, I hope Apple can keep up the pace beyond the 2.5 or 3.0 ghz G5s. Otherwise they'll be dead in the water.
I wonder what Apple/IBM has up their sleeve when Steve says "the PowerPC roadmap -- which you might have heard about already -- is really good, I can't talk about it, but it's _really good_ what's coming."
a dual 8 ghz G6?
With these updates coming so quickly, I hope Apple can keep up the pace beyond the 2.5 or 3.0 ghz G5s. Otherwise they'll be dead in the water.
I wonder what Apple/IBM has up their sleeve when Steve says "the PowerPC roadmap -- which you might have heard about already -- is really good, I can't talk about it, but it's _really good_ what's coming."
a dual 8 ghz G6?
A processor speed bump is easy to produce. They will not be waiting 2 months for a simple processor switch. This is IBM, friends... they've had this part for 9 months now. It's not like Apple is re-tooling the G5 radically to a G6 this time...
My guess is a speed bump to dual 2.5 as everyone has suggested. I also think the 9800 will become a standard part on the high end. I also believe they will be bumping the Bus Speed to 1.25 Ghz, which might require a new chip revision on the mobo, but I wouldn't know.
I would expect a month delay for iMacs, since they are changing enclosures.
Not so fast!!
I know, I know, If apple has the technology to upgrade these G5's then they should do it. Its not like I didn't expect my 1.8 to be one of the most powerful computers for very much longer anyway...
I know, I know, If apple has the technology to upgrade these G5's then they should do it. Its not like I didn't expect my 1.8 to be one of the most powerful computers for very much longer anyway...
I definately think that apple will update their line up in January. However i also believe that as is typical with most apple launches there will be a delay time until you can actaully get your hands on one of the units... more than likely i would imagine that it will be feb until people can actually get their hands on a machine at all.
Which to be honest wouldn't sway me in any way getting a machine now. By the time the new machines come out there will be 3GHz machines in the pipe for the WWDC. There is always something faster, just thankfully this time Apple is on the faster!
Incidentally, those bench's we see for dual 2Ghz are just gonna go up and up.... any of you guys seen the results for the IBM XLC and XLF recompiled code.... most cases it produces code that runs 200 -300% faster than GCC compiler code. Which most apps includingt SPEC were compiled with.
I wouldn't worry about your dual 2GHz not being the fastest any more...... it may not be the fastest mac in a couple of months, but hell it will still be giving the fastest pc's a walloping.
Which to be honest wouldn't sway me in any way getting a machine now. By the time the new machines come out there will be 3GHz machines in the pipe for the WWDC. There is always something faster, just thankfully this time Apple is on the faster!
Incidentally, those bench's we see for dual 2Ghz are just gonna go up and up.... any of you guys seen the results for the IBM XLC and XLF recompiled code.... most cases it produces code that runs 200 -300% faster than GCC compiler code. Which most apps includingt SPEC were compiled with.
I wouldn't worry about your dual 2GHz not being the fastest any more...... it may not be the fastest mac in a couple of months, but hell it will still be giving the fastest pc's a walloping.
Whoa! calm down buddy! Nobody is whinning or complaining! Like i said before, if Apple has the technology to upgrade then by all means do it! I wasn't saying apple should halt production of new upgraded machines for a few more months just so I could have the second most powerful apple computer for that much longer, I was just saying its a bummer that the computer cycle goes so fast that the top of the line you bought 2 months ago is suddenly not top of the line anymore, and cheaper! (most importantly), but hey, i knew that when i bought it...
WOW!!
I still have a G4 733 that is serving me fine. This was my first Mac purchase, and with this thing, I have to say how impressed I am that this machine is still totally usable after **almost** three years of ownership. This is not a claim that I have been able to make with PCs I have owned in the past. If Apple slowed down now, they would be right back where the were 6 months ago. They need to outpace Intel for a while, and make themselves the clear winner.
As a sign of good faith to all those afraid that these new machines will render their old ones useless, I will offer to be a Martyr and take all of those obsolete dual 2GHz machines, that people will be throwing away.... when the new dual 3 GHz come out that is. <grin>
I am just glad that I didn't just buy 1100 dual G5s to build a supercomputer or something like it....I would have to settle for being 3rd fastest supercomputer instead of 2nd or THE fastest when those pesky 3Ghz boxes come out.....
Max
I still have a G4 733 that is serving me fine. This was my first Mac purchase, and with this thing, I have to say how impressed I am that this machine is still totally usable after **almost** three years of ownership. This is not a claim that I have been able to make with PCs I have owned in the past. If Apple slowed down now, they would be right back where the were 6 months ago. They need to outpace Intel for a while, and make themselves the clear winner.
As a sign of good faith to all those afraid that these new machines will render their old ones useless, I will offer to be a Martyr and take all of those obsolete dual 2GHz machines, that people will be throwing away.... when the new dual 3 GHz come out that is. <grin>
I am just glad that I didn't just buy 1100 dual G5s to build a supercomputer or something like it....I would have to settle for being 3rd fastest supercomputer instead of 2nd or THE fastest when those pesky 3Ghz boxes come out.....
Max
Re: A little fast, don't you think!
I'll just chalk this up to a off morning, you are kidding right? Apple should slow down developemnt, why? So people can have slower computers, why exactly?
If the ony reason is so that current owners can feel better about their purchases, I have to disagree with you. Apple is a business that sells computers. Keyword=sells. Without constant innovation and upgrades, Apple will look like the company that almost tanked in the early 90's.
I'll just chalk this up to a off morning, you are kidding right? Apple should slow down developemnt, why? So people can have slower computers, why exactly?
If the ony reason is so that current owners can feel better about their purchases, I have to disagree with you. Apple is a business that sells computers. Keyword=sells. Without constant innovation and upgrades, Apple will look like the company that almost tanked in the early 90's.
When and if they do introduce the faster chips, its quite possible the dual 2.5 would be higher in price than that the current dual 2.0. Anybody remember whne the Dual G4/500 sawtooth was introduced at $3499? I'm thinking we could see this at MWSF:
Dual G5 2.5 $3499
Dual G5 2.25 $2999
Single G5 2.0 $2499
Single G5 1.8 $1999
Then things get a littel sketchy . . .
G5 iMac 1.8 (17") 1799 512/80/Super
G5 iMac 1.6 (17") 1599 512/60/combo?
G5 iMac 1.6 (15"?) 1399 256/60/combo
This is where things get sketchier still . . .
eMac? Who knows . . . Left in the dust, or maybe an AIO flat enclosure like the 20th anniverary mac, with slot loading side-mounted drive, with Built-In 15 or 17" LCD? G4 1.25 & 1.33 & DDR
Unfortunately for Powerbook, I don't think anything will happen with these guys @ MWSF. Maybe they all get bumped to 1.25, 1.33, and 1.42/1.5 (if moto has them) Maybe they they get a transmeta crusoe? Haha Just kidding on that part!
Dual G5 2.5 $3499
Dual G5 2.25 $2999
Single G5 2.0 $2499
Single G5 1.8 $1999
Then things get a littel sketchy . . .
G5 iMac 1.8 (17") 1799 512/80/Super
G5 iMac 1.6 (17") 1599 512/60/combo?
G5 iMac 1.6 (15"?) 1399 256/60/combo
This is where things get sketchier still . . .
eMac? Who knows . . . Left in the dust, or maybe an AIO flat enclosure like the 20th anniverary mac, with slot loading side-mounted drive, with Built-In 15 or 17" LCD? G4 1.25 & 1.33 & DDR
Unfortunately for Powerbook, I don't think anything will happen with these guys @ MWSF. Maybe they all get bumped to 1.25, 1.33, and 1.42/1.5 (if moto has them) Maybe they they get a transmeta crusoe? Haha Just kidding on that part!
When you bought your computer, Steve Jobs told you it would be 50% faster in a year, did you think he was lying? Be bummed all you want, but you brought it on yourself with full knowledge of the future product line.
AMD isn't sleeping
AMD is supposed to have a new set of Opterons in the 2.4 GHz range available in a month or two. I don't know what Intel is doing, but AMD has a fairly aggressive roadmap for their AMD64 chipsets and processors.
From a pure performance standpoint, the AMD64 chips are the biggest competitor to the PPC970 (and future) chips, and the AMD chips are somewhat faster in the general case. Unless you are running an application that can really use Altivec (and most can't), the Opterons are generally a bit faster than the PPC970s. We have huge mostly integer codes that run insanely fast on Opterons, though that doesn't keep us from using MacOS X workstations. An Opteron with Altivec (instead of the not as nice SSE2) would be untouchable.
The real loser in all this is Intel. The Opteron is a wicked good chip, and clock for clock does very well against the PPC970. The Itanium is going the way of a the i860 as far as I can tell.
AMD is supposed to have a new set of Opterons in the 2.4 GHz range available in a month or two. I don't know what Intel is doing, but AMD has a fairly aggressive roadmap for their AMD64 chipsets and processors.
From a pure performance standpoint, the AMD64 chips are the biggest competitor to the PPC970 (and future) chips, and the AMD chips are somewhat faster in the general case. Unless you are running an application that can really use Altivec (and most can't), the Opterons are generally a bit faster than the PPC970s. We have huge mostly integer codes that run insanely fast on Opterons, though that doesn't keep us from using MacOS X workstations. An Opteron with Altivec (instead of the not as nice SSE2) would be untouchable.
The real loser in all this is Intel. The Opteron is a wicked good chip, and clock for clock does very well against the PPC970. The Itanium is going the way of a the i860 as far as I can tell.
Hmmmn.
1. Rumors of a new G5 iMac enclosure (Cube^2) with no attached monitor.
2. The only product Apple makes that *doesn't* reflect the current snow/brushed metal mania and is still stuck in Graphite mode is...
Apple Monitors.
Veddy Interestink.
1. Rumors of a new G5 iMac enclosure (Cube^2) with no attached monitor.
2. The only product Apple makes that *doesn't* reflect the current snow/brushed metal mania and is still stuck in Graphite mode is...
Apple Monitors.
Veddy Interestink.
Dude, I know how the biz works. It's just from my personal point of view, of couse Apple should push as hard as possible. When Apple succeed with new products all Apple users benefit. Besides if I need too, I'll just trade in my dual, no big deal.
I still want new displays though...
What ?
Jobs never said, "Before the end of next summer". Where did that come from?
What he said was, "What about the future? We're at 2GHz today. IBM and Apple, are today announcing, that within 12 months, we'll be at 3 Ghz."
"today" and "within".
So within 12 months of the day he announced the G5, Apple is supposed to be at 3Ghz. That in my book, unless the calendar has changed, means on or before 23 June, 2004.
Will they deliver? Probably not. Still. No reason to state something he never said.
Jobs never said, "Before the end of next summer". Where did that come from?
What he said was, "What about the future? We're at 2GHz today. IBM and Apple, are today announcing, that within 12 months, we'll be at 3 Ghz."
"today" and "within".
So within 12 months of the day he announced the G5, Apple is supposed to be at 3Ghz. That in my book, unless the calendar has changed, means on or before 23 June, 2004.
Will they deliver? Probably not. Still. No reason to state something he never said.
Re: What ?
He said it at Apple Expo Paris
"We've committed before the end of next summer" to get the Power Mac G5 to 3GHz.
He said it at Apple Expo Paris
"We've committed before the end of next summer" to get the Power Mac G5 to 3GHz.
meanwhile motorola has announced g4's at 1.3 ghz this really hits home as to who has been holding back apple and adding to the confusing model lines, this makes a nice big window to place the g5 imac and they dont have to worry about sales being taken from the pro towers. a dual 2.5,a dual 2.0, and a single 2.0. very sweet indeed.
this really hits home as to who has been holding back apple and adding to the confusing model lines, this makes a nice big window to place the g5 imac and they dont have to worry about sales being taken from the pro towers. a dual 2.5,a dual 2.0, and a single 2.0. very sweet indeed. If this does happen, then they need to put the 1.6 G5 in the iMac. There is no reason for it to be sitting there with a G4 that is half the speed. I would also be willing to bet that G5 Powerbooks would be out by the end of summer if a 3Ghz Powermac is announced.
Things are looking mighty nice!
Things are looking mighty nice!
Re: A little fast, don't you think!
6 months is nearly an eternity to wait for new stuff... much less 8 or 10.
Face it, when you buy something, it should be out of date relatively soon. Either due to upgrades in what you bought, or the competition moving forward.
We don't want the stagnation that was the first few G4 releases!
I take it you are unaware of the standard upgrade cycles in the wintel world?
6 months is nearly an eternity to wait for new stuff... much less 8 or 10.
Face it, when you buy something, it should be out of date relatively soon. Either due to upgrades in what you bought, or the competition moving forward.
We don't want the stagnation that was the first few G4 releases!