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PowerMac G5 Update?

Palador said:
Not to mention that the first single processor G5s were shipping in late July. So everyone please stuff it with the 'it hasnt been 12 months yet crap. It's been 11, and we're getting damn close to 12 without an update in speed.
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No, it's been 10 and we're getting darn close to 11. Yeah it sucks that there hasn't been an update. But I don't really care about predictions (especially about things that they have no control over). Those are just for the media weenies.
 
iGary said:
Long time Apple fan - and believe me, I defend these guys to the death when it comes up in discussion.

However...

This has been a very dissapointing and "boring" year at Apple.

What can one say when MS Office is on Apple's homepage for two freaking weeks?

1. The Powerbook and iBook updates were lame. Minor speedbumps, minor video tweaks etc...G4 chips!! Fine in an iBook, but in a 3-4 grand laptop? Um, no thanks.

2. The G5 chip program is so "ala Motorola" it isn't even amusing anymore. Delayed X-Serves, delayed PowerMacs...delay, delay, delay.

As Apple takes longer and longer with these updates, AMD keeps chipping away piece by piece at their pro marketshare.

I cannot begin to tell you how many pro photographers I deal with are jumping ship and putting up with Winblows just so they can have the raw power they need.

Apple needs to hop on it and quick. I honestly don't care about the 3 GHz promise...nor do most consumers - but this really is a pro machine.
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Okay, but does anybody realize that Jobs is in command of Apple. I like everybody, wants Apple to succeed, because I have switched and spend alot of money this year on Apple products and love his products. But with all the head scratchings, advises, critisisms, delays, no new products lately and Apple's pentagon secrecy. the bottom line, it's "his" show.
 
I don't think we should take much stock in these rumors. They don't make sense. The article states that old PMs will be sold for discounted prices from what they are now at 1600 for 1.6, 2200 for the dual 1.8, and 2500 for the dual 2ghz. Why would anyone buy an old dual 1.8 at that discounted price unless the new dual 1.8 is going to cost more than that. The only way I see these rumors being true is if there will be a significant price hike on the whole bracket. Single 1.8 at 1800, dual 1.8 at 2300-2400?, dual 2ghz must be higher than 2500 because that is the discounted price so 2600-2700?, and the dual 2.5 3000 or more? This just doesn't seem like enough differentiation in price for Apple. If these rumored stats are true and the prices I have guessed at are true, I know I would be quite disappointed along with many others.
 
yeah, pro photographers...

I'm wondering about his app as well, as i'm no pro photographer but i regularly handle image files in the 400MB to 2GB files size on my dual 2 with only 1.0 gigs of ram and i have no prblems whatsoever, and am actually really impressed with the speed, even on blurs and such.

hmmmm....

let them switch, just as many are coming over from the other sections. i love my apple. and i stay purely for the OS, so i find it hard to believe people are switching to MS just for the minimal increase they are getting from the latest intel and AMD hardware.
 
ummmm, has anyone forgotten about the twentieth anniversary mac??? maybe that could be the shock, not new G5's.. :D :D :D :D ;) ;)
 
Think secret updated their article about the G5's again.

They seem to concluce the same specs as in their original article, but now stating the top-end (2.5ghz) will have a 1.25 ghz bus speed, and will ship with a 9600 xt, and the other models will ship with nvidia fx 5200.. same info as in their original article. No pricing is mentioned, but they do say they will sell the current models at discounted prices.

But what's the difference between the current 2.0 ghz and the old one? As the buses are the same, no pci-express, same hd size, same proc speed, and the new 2.0 ghz even has a lesser GPU!.. I personally would go for the 'older' model

I don't understand where they get their info, and why they don't question these things themselves?
 
Dont Hurt Me said:
Just have to point out Alienware has 9600xt in base machine for under $1600, how much is the top Powermac now?
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Well, 9600 XT is not the very top end out there by any stretch. Nor is it Apple's current (or likely future) top end (BTO) card. Remember that Mac was the first to use GeForce 3 when it came out - and it was a revolutionary card at the time. PC had to wait on that.



blakespot
 
I was just wondering if anybody can paraphrase or quote what Steve said in his revisionist statement in the fall- yes I know he pushed back the deadline, but how did he say it?

I ask only because at this point a lot of us are foaming at the mouth- scared that the update will fall short of our expectations, how long it's really been since an update, arguing with "what's good enough", "who cares what Steve promised", and generally just debating if apple owes its customers anything at this point.

I'm a pessimist by nature, but I'm going to have to agree with the "calm down, it's gonna be alright" sentiment, as I'm on track to burst a blood vessel at this point. ;)

Patience is a virtue... (But then again so is a 3Ghz G5) :)
 
klaus said:
Think secret updated their article about the G5's again.

They seem to concluce the same specs as in their original article, but now stating the top-end (2.5ghz) will have a 1.25 ghz bus speed, and will ship with a 9600 xt, and the other models will ship with nvidia fx 5200.. same info as in their original article. No pricing is mentioned, but they do say they will sell the current models at discounted prices.

But what's the difference between the current 2.0 ghz and the old one? As the buses are the same, no pci-express, same hd size, same proc speed, and the new 2.0 ghz even has a lesser GPU!.. I personally would go for the 'older' model

I don't understand where they get their info, and why they don't question these things themselves?
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Perhaps the new machines have a new internal layout. Room for more drives or something of that matter? I agree, lame update, but 8x DVD and more internal HD space would be nice...
 
This has probably been posted, but anyway.

I don't believe the specs because the graphics cards are silly. I expect minimum of X300, mid range X600 and high end X800XT or G6800U. These cards have already been announced and it would be stupid for Apple not to use the latest tec in their highend machines.
 
blakespot said:
Well, 9600 XT is not the very top end out there by any stretch. Nor is it Apple's current (or likely future) top end (BTO) card. Remember that Mac was the first to use GeForce 3 when it came out - and it was a revolutionary card at the time. PC had to wait on that.



blakespot
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The 1 time in history, if these video card options prove true then it will look really lame in the days of Ati's and Nvidea's latest offerings X800's and 6800's
 
I just have trouble believing that somewhere along the line there isn't going to be something nice in the speed bump. Look at apple's previous speed bumps on all their lines. There are always some really nice new additions, it wouldn't be like apple to just screw over the PMac line and not do anything new and exciting...
 
hvfsl said:
This has probably been posted, but anyway.

I don't believe the specs because the graphics cards are silly. I expect minimum of X300, mid range X600 and high end X800XT or G6800U. These cards have already been announced and it would be stupid for Apple not to use the latest tec in their highend machines.
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I would want them too, but we don't know if they are ported/adjusted yet to work on mac hardware, they don't just fit into a mac AND into a pc, so i know we have to wait a little while longer, but if the update comes now with those cards suggested (9600,5200) it will be another 6 months before updates, and then there will be a new x1000 or something from ATI.

We don't know what's coming on mac neither from ati nor from nvidia, cause if they would tell the x800 will be available for mac, we would know it comes in a new powermac, and apple doesn't want us to know that..

so it's not really the matter if they want to use the latest GPU's, but are they available for mac?
 
I'm pretty dissapointed with these specs. Those graphics cards are what got me. They really could be a lot better. I certainly hope ThinkSecret is wrong...

The truth is, Jobs is currently reading these posts and pulling his hair out because everyone is up in arms about a rumored release :D. Truth is, Jobs would never release this on us.

Don't worry everyone, it's just a rumor... :)

Best wishes,
JOD8FY
 
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DGFan said:
No, it's been 10 and we're getting darn close to 11. Yeah it sucks that there hasn't been an update. But I don't really care about predictions (especially about things that they have no control over). Those are just for the media weenies.
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The G5 was announced 6/23/03 - more than 11 months ago.
 
Totally agree this has been a very boring year for Apple.

Also, I really really think Apple is having huge, huge problems with getting G5s in sufficent quantites to put in these boxes. If less than 4 months ago IBM couldn't do 90nm CPUs at 2GHz well enough, then how the hell are they meant to be able to make 2.6GHz+ ones in big, big quantites for these dual processor 'mass seller' machines.

That actually reminds me :- what happened to XServe? Surely that could do with a bump up to higher speeds?

I'm also sure Apple will start concentrating more on distrubuted/clustered computing - easiest way to cover up the fact they can't get what they need from IBM. But, IBM is looking more and more like Motorola every day :/ oh well..
 
Here come all the idiots bitching casue of speed upgrades. Ever thought that Steve is holding onto the 3Ghz news till WWDC? I cant believe that many people see a Powermac speed update as bad, morons!
 
"They need a new machine every 8-10 months?"

No, but when they do need a new machine, the gap between AMD and Apple gets farther apart with every Apple proc delay. AMD is punching proc speeds at that 8-10 month rate.

I didn't say anything about needing a new machine that often.

"What program are they using that requires so much power? Generally I see more fault in todays software than I do in todays hardware. The industry has stagnated because companies like Adobe, Digidesign and others have grown fat and slovenly and so has their products."

Photoshop. Try running an RGB or CMYK batch process on a couple of dozen 30 mb tiff's with unsharp mask and curve corrections....It's not necessarily the software it's the fact that we're dealing with HUGE images for print these days.

"Okay, but does anybody realize that Jobs is in command of Apple. I like everybody, wants Apple to succeed, because I have switched and spend alot of money this year on Apple products and love his products. But with all the head scratchings, advises, critisisms, delays, no new products lately and Apple's pentagon secrecy. the bottom line, it's "his" show."

I don't care who is running the show, personally, but I remember the days of being "wowed" on a fairly consistent and regular basis. The last 10 months has not seen this.

End of the day, I'm not in the market for a new G5 (unless a dual 1.8 model comes in under 2 grand, in which case I may consider selling the G4).
 
stingerman said:
It makes sense to me. It is their iPod approach. Update the high-end model and move the other models down a notch while eliminating the low end. This way three months from now we get another high-end and the 2.6 becomes the middle model, 2 becomes the bottom. Three months from then, we get another high-end update.
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me too. i really like the ipod idea.. why whouldn't it work for computers too?! though I still wish for the 3ghz to happen ;)
 
Windowlicker said:
me too. i really like the ipod idea.. why whouldn't it work for computers too?! though I still wish for the 3ghz to happen ;)
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I wouldn't mind that too, but then they need to make the update gap to about 3 months, and not 10-11
 
nuckinfutz said:
What program are they using that requires so much power? Generally I see more fault in todays software than I do in todays hardware. The industry has stagnated because companies like Adobe, Digidesign and others have grown fat and slovenly and so has their products.

Apples problem right now isn't hardware...it's getting software that actually runs well from 3rd parties.
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Excellent point. As computers have gotten so much faster with more RAM and HD space a lot of software developers have gotten lazier about writing good clean simple code to get things done. For example Photoshop CS was actually slower for a lot of filters than Photoshop 8.
 
pjkelnhofer said:
Excellent point. As computers have gotten so much faster with more RAM and HD space a lot of software developers have gotten lazier about writing good clean simple code to get things done. For example Photoshop CS was actually slower for a lot of filters than Photoshop 8.
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So is Office 2004

It's getting to the point where we're all sitting around begging for a 400HP Engine and totally neglecting the transmission. Software is so vital and generally when someone isn't happy it's software.

No, but when they do need a new machine, the gap between AMD and Apple gets farther apart with every Apple proc delay. AMD is punching proc speeds at that 8-10 month rate.
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Do you guys really understand what you speak of? The FASTEST Opteron is but a mere 2.4Ghz and that just came out. Therefore if Apple even delivers a 2.5Ghz 970fx we've a surplus of 100Mhz. I think it's been just so easy to always assume apple is behind or apple is more expensive I hear conjecture all the time but then again I know it's easy to assume but harder to actually sit down and pore through the data and analyze it correctly.

PC users have only thing to brag about. Hardware. So therefore they make big deals out of evolutionary items. "Omg omg teh SATA RAID" or they wax poetic about processors they no nothing about. In the end they envy the Mac user who loves the OS and focus on that rather than hardware tech.

Photoshop. Try running an RGB or CMYK batch process on a couple of dozen 30 mb tiff's with unsharp mask and curve corrections....It's not necessarily the software it's the fact that we're dealing with HUGE images for print these days.
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Not suprising. Adobe is one of the worst offenders. All their apps are slow and bloated yet they get pissed off when apple encroaches on their turt. Mark my words Apple could have a Photoshop replacement that smashes Adobe's product in 3 versions easy! PS is mature...it's deep but speedy it ain't.
 
Frankly I think Apple may surprise us yet. I mean no one saw Airport Express coming did they? Took everyone by surprise.

The closest thing I can find is the suggestions for 'some kind of new Apple device' back in like March.
 
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