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PowerMac G5 Updates - March 23rd?
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well no-one predicted that!
Look like very good value these eMacs, although not for you power-hungry people.
A quiet Tuesday update, about the only thing that doesn't involve G5's, I figure. Although it might make predictions of the bumped G4 powerbooks seem more likely soon and iBooks too, I guess, if ol' heloMotorolo are shipping them in quantities.
They appear to be available NOW.
Is this in time for some sort of School Buying season in the States?
Look like very good value these eMacs, although not for you power-hungry people.
A quiet Tuesday update, about the only thing that doesn't involve G5's, I figure. Although it might make predictions of the bumped G4 powerbooks seem more likely soon and iBooks too, I guess, if ol' heloMotorolo are shipping them in quantities.
They appear to be available NOW.
Is this in time for some sort of School Buying season in the States?
grouse said:
That means that the low end iMac is slower than the eMac!!! Does that mean iMacs are coming, too? What happenend to the PBs? Are they being annouced at NAB?
8x SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW) is confirmed - NO longer just a rumor!
Although no details in depth, the eMac release now confirma that Apple is shipping new Macs with a faster 8x DVD burning laser drive.
Does not confirm laser drive maker as Pioneer
Does not confirm + write/read capability
Does not even confirm DVD-RW ReWrite capability
However, the drive is likely the PIONEER DVR-AO7 which is
DVD/CD±R/RW (totally capable of + and - , and DVD-RW)
So, new PowerMacs when released should have no less a laser drive than this.
Checked for Apple 8x DVD-R media...found NONE on Apple's site.
8x SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW) optical driveLancetx said:
Although no details in depth, the eMac release now confirma that Apple is shipping new Macs with a faster 8x DVD burning laser drive.
Does not confirm laser drive maker as Pioneer
Does not confirm + write/read capability
Does not even confirm DVD-RW ReWrite capability
However, the drive is likely the PIONEER DVR-AO7 which is
DVD/CD±R/RW (totally capable of + and - , and DVD-RW)
So, new PowerMacs when released should have no less a laser drive than this.
Checked for Apple 8x DVD-R media...found NONE on Apple's site.
ffakr
Maybe you should do a little research before before you start spouting off!
March 8th 2000 P III 1 gig
November 20th 2000 P4 1.5 gig
Not the 600-800 MHZ you refer to.
And wasn't the G4 867 the first super drive unit? It is possible it was the 933, but I can't remember.
All I am saying is Apple uses older technology for the most part and charges current prices for it.
I should have said 3 year old technology.
I don't understand why people try to justify Steve's pricing policies. You can plainly see your getting ripped, but because it says Apple you love it. If when the new G5 units come out you guys did't run out and buy one right away, Steve would be forced to make a decision. Should I lower my price or let my sales fall off? He probably wouldn't drop the price, but I'm sure you would see some rebates!
Maybe you should do a little research before before you start spouting off!
March 8th 2000 P III 1 gig
November 20th 2000 P4 1.5 gig
Not the 600-800 MHZ you refer to.
And wasn't the G4 867 the first super drive unit? It is possible it was the 933, but I can't remember.
All I am saying is Apple uses older technology for the most part and charges current prices for it.
I should have said 3 year old technology.
I don't understand why people try to justify Steve's pricing policies. You can plainly see your getting ripped, but because it says Apple you love it. If when the new G5 units come out you guys did't run out and buy one right away, Steve would be forced to make a decision. Should I lower my price or let my sales fall off? He probably wouldn't drop the price, but I'm sure you would see some rebates!
We are tired of Apple & Steve Jobs. Build us a PC that blows away Macs, & runs OS X
We are embarassed by our loyalty to a company and a product over the last 10-years that has failed to (a) keep up with the times, and (b) sell computers at a reasonable price.
Although nobody here really tries to justify Steve's pricing policies, unlike you, we understand Apple's policies because they are for the most part based on sound business practices resulting in a profitable multi-billion dollar business venture.
For over a decade I have listened to prophets like you and Dont Hurt Me who constantly anticipate the demise of Apple and their computers, and your Doomsday predictions are about as welcome as the Watchtower prophacies distributed door to door by Jehova's Witnesses, who feel it is their religious duty to warn all of us about the apocalypse and the end of the world...which they set specific dates for (the end of the world) several times over the last 60 years.
Amazingly, Doomsday has yet to arrive, especially on the heels of record profits and growth for Apple. Shucks, I still expect Apple to have to close the doors of their Tokyo, San Francisco, and Phoenix Apple Stores any day now...well, right after Gatesway closes theirs.
But we hear your strident voice and your unwavering message, and we are overwhelmed by your logic. We know we should be embarassed to buy into all this 3-year old technology crap Uncle Steve is cramming down our throats. Enough is enough.
Why... Steve did the same thing to those dumb acadamecisans and idiot engineers at Virginia Tech who thought they could build a SuperComputer that would rank in the top 10 in the world out of obsolete (by 3 years, right? compared to any PC) G5 PowerMacs...right off the shelf. Dumb bunch of teachers.
How stupid they were to pass up those deals with IBM, HP, Dell and the others. Instead, some crazy professor placed an order right through the Apple Store for 1100 dual G5 2GHz PowerMacs even before any had been delivered...sight unseen. Can you believe that?. Even if they got an Education Discount, you've been telling us how much better the discount from Dell and Gateway are. Was this guy crazy or what?
I hear that Virginia Tech only placed 3rd in the world among academic supercomputers (boy, they sure got what they deserved pulling a dumb prank like that) and their Project X is doing so badly they are gradually migrating all those 1,100 loser G5 PowerMacs for some new servers with IBM 970 chips in them. Not 6 months and they have to get rid of all those old, obsolete PowerMacs. Smart to go with IBM though, don't you think? I hear they are cutting down space by as much as 40%, maybe more, from the junk Apple sold them. Guess they won't be calling it the BIG MAC anymore. Maybe BIG BLUE after IBM?
Well, you have convinced me and a bunch of others to abandon our Mac computers and to go for some PC with an Intel processor, unless you think we would be better off going with AMD or somebody else. E-Machine, maybe? Whatever.
Now all you have to do -- and I promise you, we are ready, willing and able. We want you to know that.
All you have to do is find us a computer that blows away these stupid Mac G5 computers, and those dumb PowerBooks with the Mototrola chips, as long as the new PC can run OS X. Simple as that.
We feel smart enough to follow you to a great PC computer, but
none of us is dumb enough to go with MS Windows XP, or that OS from Prescott, Arizona, or the Long Horned cow (the Gatesway Cow), or any OS from Microsoft and Bill Gates. That's fair, right? No EVIL BILL!
You see, we all absolutely hate Steve Jobs (hate, hate, hate), except Uncle Steve is a saint compared to that Billy Gates fellow and his Gatesway computers. He owns Gatesway too, don't he? "It's Gates way or the High way" I hear he says. 
Anyway, that's the deal.
You have convinced us that our Macs are all overpriced junk and we want a PC,
as long as it will run OS X and all the iApps, and FinalCut Pro and DVD Studio Pro, and stuff like that.
You see, we all made a mistake and we're very heavily invested in OS X software - spending much more money than what my current G4 Dual 1GHz machine cost me back in 2002. Plus, I'm so damn old that I just refuse to learn another operating system, especially one that has such a bad reputation for being confusing, complicated, over controlling, and full of bugs and viruses like Windows. Maybe you don't mind Windows, but we do.
And there is just one, tinnie, tiny, little hold up. No, it's not OS 9, duh!
I know you'll probably compare us to a bunch of glacial Tortioses and you and Dont Hurt Me are a couple of rabbid Hares ready to race into the future.
I'm waiting for my over 5 year plus obsolete G4 from 2002 to die because it really does do all I need and want, and I don't want to dump a whole bunch of money into something new (not even a new G5) until the Mac technology really is super obsolete. When do you suppose that is going to be?
And the 6 or so of us are so convinced you are right, we are willing to let you build us a great new PC computer out of all these great modern PC parts that blows away Apple Macs. So, how much money do you think it will take to build a better Apple with new technology that you're always talking about? If you'll build the first prototype, someone will surely buy it off you as soon as you can show us that it will run OS X and all of our peripherals and stuff. You can do that, right? Just like you've been saying?
Macster, you have convinced all the rest of us that you are right, and we are wrong about Steve Jobs and Apple.Macster389 said:
We are embarassed by our loyalty to a company and a product over the last 10-years that has failed to (a) keep up with the times, and (b) sell computers at a reasonable price.
Although nobody here really tries to justify Steve's pricing policies, unlike you, we understand Apple's policies because they are for the most part based on sound business practices resulting in a profitable multi-billion dollar business venture.
For over a decade I have listened to prophets like you and Dont Hurt Me who constantly anticipate the demise of Apple and their computers, and your Doomsday predictions are about as welcome as the Watchtower prophacies distributed door to door by Jehova's Witnesses, who feel it is their religious duty to warn all of us about the apocalypse and the end of the world...which they set specific dates for (the end of the world) several times over the last 60 years.
Amazingly, Doomsday has yet to arrive, especially on the heels of record profits and growth for Apple. Shucks, I still expect Apple to have to close the doors of their Tokyo, San Francisco, and Phoenix Apple Stores any day now...well, right after Gatesway closes theirs.
But we hear your strident voice and your unwavering message, and we are overwhelmed by your logic. We know we should be embarassed to buy into all this 3-year old technology crap Uncle Steve is cramming down our throats. Enough is enough.
Why... Steve did the same thing to those dumb acadamecisans and idiot engineers at Virginia Tech who thought they could build a SuperComputer that would rank in the top 10 in the world out of obsolete (by 3 years, right? compared to any PC) G5 PowerMacs...right off the shelf. Dumb bunch of teachers.
How stupid they were to pass up those deals with IBM, HP, Dell and the others. Instead, some crazy professor placed an order right through the Apple Store for 1100 dual G5 2GHz PowerMacs even before any had been delivered...sight unseen. Can you believe that?. Even if they got an Education Discount, you've been telling us how much better the discount from Dell and Gateway are. Was this guy crazy or what?
I hear that Virginia Tech only placed 3rd in the world among academic supercomputers (boy, they sure got what they deserved pulling a dumb prank like that) and their Project X is doing so badly they are gradually migrating all those 1,100 loser G5 PowerMacs for some new servers with IBM 970 chips in them. Not 6 months and they have to get rid of all those old, obsolete PowerMacs. Smart to go with IBM though, don't you think? I hear they are cutting down space by as much as 40%, maybe more, from the junk Apple sold them. Guess they won't be calling it the BIG MAC anymore. Maybe BIG BLUE after IBM?
Well, you have convinced me and a bunch of others to abandon our Mac computers and to go for some PC with an Intel processor, unless you think we would be better off going with AMD or somebody else. E-Machine, maybe? Whatever.
Now all you have to do -- and I promise you, we are ready, willing and able. We want you to know that.
All you have to do is find us a computer that blows away these stupid Mac G5 computers, and those dumb PowerBooks with the Mototrola chips, as long as the new PC can run OS X. Simple as that.
We feel smart enough to follow you to a great PC computer, but
none of us is dumb enough to go with MS Windows XP, or that OS from Prescott, Arizona, or the Long Horned cow (the Gatesway Cow), or any OS from Microsoft and Bill Gates. That's fair, right? No EVIL BILL!
Anyway, that's the deal.
You have convinced us that our Macs are all overpriced junk and we want a PC,
as long as it will run OS X and all the iApps, and FinalCut Pro and DVD Studio Pro, and stuff like that.
You see, we all made a mistake and we're very heavily invested in OS X software - spending much more money than what my current G4 Dual 1GHz machine cost me back in 2002. Plus, I'm so damn old that I just refuse to learn another operating system, especially one that has such a bad reputation for being confusing, complicated, over controlling, and full of bugs and viruses like Windows. Maybe you don't mind Windows, but we do.
And there is just one, tinnie, tiny, little hold up. No, it's not OS 9, duh!
I know you'll probably compare us to a bunch of glacial Tortioses and you and Dont Hurt Me are a couple of rabbid Hares ready to race into the future.
And the 6 or so of us are so convinced you are right, we are willing to let you build us a great new PC computer out of all these great modern PC parts that blows away Apple Macs. So, how much money do you think it will take to build a better Apple with new technology that you're always talking about? If you'll build the first prototype, someone will surely buy it off you as soon as you can show us that it will run OS X and all of our peripherals and stuff. You can do that, right? Just like you've been saying?
¿ Deal ?
I'm optimistic too!
I agree 100% - in fact I'm so optimistic - they were released back on March 23rd - but in my little bubble reality is often blurred between fact and fiction.
My cash is in the bank and I hope to be the first order in, once the store come back online after the rev b G5s are released!
wdlove said:
I agree 100% - in fact I'm so optimistic - they were released back on March 23rd - but in my little bubble reality is often blurred between fact and fiction.
My cash is in the bank and I hope to be the first order in, once the store come back online after the rev b G5s are released!
brooklyn said:
Yeah, its called the G5 Cube and tends to have highly polarised debate about its validity as a design...
aswitcher said:Yeah, its called the G5 Cube and tends to have highly polarised debate about its validity as a design...
A mini tower does not have to be a cube. It would allow Jobs to not relive his biggest failure. It could be an iMac with upgradeable video card and 2 slots. And not the best that the G5 PM is.
brooklyn said:
That would be outstanding!
Stick G5's in the old G4 towers. It's OK if they are louder, people are used to hearing fans on PC's and that's not going to keep them from switching. Heck, my windtunnel is not quiet at all.
If Apple had G5's from say $1299 in a smaller enclosure it would be a smash hit. People now think the G5's are fast and great, but won't spend near $2000 for one. A fast PC is available for much less in their mind.
A G5 cube would be so incredibly great, I would do a happy dance if it ever happens.
(BTW, folks these are just assumptions and speculation and not my future predictions. So don't get all negative and psycho one me: "You're crazy! Apple will never do that! I hate you!")
Hope for a pre-WWDC powermac release?
With things looking like all of Apple's consumer line will be updated in April (except powermacs) it seems to me that Apple will not wait till WWDC to release new powermacs. A rumor site gives this information:
On the G5 front, we continue to expect a wait of at least a month before an update takes place.
However, doubts remain about rumors projecting a PowerMac update at WWDC at the end of June. Rumors of PCI Express support and the use of PCI Express GPUs in at least some models are in direct conflict with that timetable, we're told, unless considerable multi-month delays exist between announcement and shipping date on these systems.
A may powermac update would be nice...
With things looking like all of Apple's consumer line will be updated in April (except powermacs) it seems to me that Apple will not wait till WWDC to release new powermacs. A rumor site gives this information:
On the G5 front, we continue to expect a wait of at least a month before an update takes place.
However, doubts remain about rumors projecting a PowerMac update at WWDC at the end of June. Rumors of PCI Express support and the use of PCI Express GPUs in at least some models are in direct conflict with that timetable, we're told, unless considerable multi-month delays exist between announcement and shipping date on these systems.
A may powermac update would be nice...
invaLPsion said:With things looking like all of Apple's consumer line will be updated in April (except powermacs) it seems to me that Apple will not wait till WWDC to release new powermacs. A rumor site gives this information:
On the G5 front, we continue to expect a wait of at least a month before an update takes place.
However, doubts remain about rumors projecting a PowerMac update at WWDC at the end of June. Rumors of PCI Express support and the use of PCI Express GPUs in at least some models are in direct conflict with that timetable, we're told, unless considerable multi-month delays exist between announcement and shipping date on these systems.
A may powermac update would be nice...
I hope to see the G5 update before the end of May. It is a strange thing to sell a computer for a year as this G5 line has been released a yer ago
imac update
Why is everyone assuming that the imac line will be updated to a G5? Seeing as it would have to use a 90nm chip because of heat dissapation, and IBM is having trouble producing these (see revelvant thread on 90nm teething troubles), then isn't it most likely that Apple will just bump them up to a 1.5ghz G4? If it's good enough for the powerbooks...
I think they would sell well enough and be fast enough to keep most prosumers happy til IBM gets a grip on things. If they were to replace the low end imac with a 17 inch screen and faster superdrive, while maintaining the current price, i'd be persuaded to part with some hard earned cash.
Why is everyone assuming that the imac line will be updated to a G5? Seeing as it would have to use a 90nm chip because of heat dissapation, and IBM is having trouble producing these (see revelvant thread on 90nm teething troubles), then isn't it most likely that Apple will just bump them up to a 1.5ghz G4? If it's good enough for the powerbooks...
I think they would sell well enough and be fast enough to keep most prosumers happy til IBM gets a grip on things. If they were to replace the low end imac with a 17 inch screen and faster superdrive, while maintaining the current price, i'd be persuaded to part with some hard earned cash.
G5 in iMac is inevitable
You are probably right for the short run, but sooner or later the G5 will end up in some relative of today's iMac.PRØBE said:
Well, I'm not assuming it will, but I'm hoping it will. The iMac line is stale and the G5 would be mighty handsome in an iMac. That withe the mobility Radeon 9700 would be sweet.PRØBE said:
However people may be making the assumption based on the fact that they didn't get a processor speed bump like the PowerBook. The iMac needs one.. So maybe Apple is holding off for a G5 in the iMac.
New iMac design
Whether the half snowball globe will turn into a cube or if it will get an aluminum cover or a new LCD screen, I do not know. However, a radical design change may be what is going on in the iMac world rather than simply a G5 chip change. The reasoning behind this speculation seems to come from a leveling off or even drop in iMac sales, attributed by some to an "old look" that supposedly begs for a design facelift.
Everything seems sonip&tuck these days.
These ideas are pure speculation and are NOT valid rumors, so don't anyone say I said it's going to happen or something. Besides, only about half of my predictions / speculations over NAB releases came to fruition. Several are still outstanding, waiting for the impending PowerMacs and a revised Apple Studio Display line to be released.
I thought it was cool that Apple repeatedly gave "motion" hints and then named their new software Motion. Talk about keeping NSA class secrets by being obvious.
I do not know how accurate it is, but I've seen several "rumors" without any real detail suggesting that iMac is up for a significant DESIGN change.pgwalsh said:
Whether the half snowball globe will turn into a cube or if it will get an aluminum cover or a new LCD screen, I do not know. However, a radical design change may be what is going on in the iMac world rather than simply a G5 chip change. The reasoning behind this speculation seems to come from a leveling off or even drop in iMac sales, attributed by some to an "old look" that supposedly begs for a design facelift.
Everything seems sonip&tuck these days.
These ideas are pure speculation and are NOT valid rumors, so don't anyone say I said it's going to happen or something. Besides, only about half of my predictions / speculations over NAB releases came to fruition. Several are still outstanding, waiting for the impending PowerMacs and a revised Apple Studio Display line to be released.
I thought it was cool that Apple repeatedly gave "motion" hints and then named their new software Motion. Talk about keeping NSA class secrets by being obvious.
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