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Dont Hurt Me said:
G4 is sucky in any product sitting on a desk, its ok for laps but it gets its butt handed to it by all kinds of cpu's that cost half as much. This is fact. Name one bench were a G4 1.25 can keep up with a P4 2.2,2.4,2.5,2.6,2.8,3.0,3.2,3.4 G4s suck ,they are old,they suck at gaming,the FSB is hindered to a 167 mhz while cheapo Pcs at $500 have them 3 or 4 times as fast. DDR is half used I still dont know why they even bothered with DDR in G4s. might as well kept using Sdram. G4 does suck yet they are still pushing these old and slow obsolete cpus in every darn product but Powermacs and then charging twice what they are worth. Motorolas G4 SUCKS and we all KNOW it. They are fine for web surfing and getting grandmas Email but so is a G3 for that matter.

Why'd you stop you were on such al roll:D, and I totally agree.
 
MacRAND said:
NO, it is NOT just you, JamesDPS. You're in California and I'm in Arizona and I have the same problem. Yes, definately a conspiracy because they are not having problems in UK or SC (no, "Carolina" not Southern California)

If this link does NOT work for you:
http://www.macplus.org

Do 2 things:
1. Report by REPLY here that the MacPlus.org URL -- DOES NOT WORK IN: what STATE you are in; and
2. Try this: (compliments of arn; he is a god, knows everything! :p)
http://62.233.44.223/ or
http://62.233.44.223/magplus/sommaire.php

arn says it is a DNS problem with our ISP (whatever that REALLY means :) )

Where it works: SC, UK, ...
Does not work: CA, AZ, ...
Just checked the link, works for me. I'm in New Hampshire.
 
look we Pay BMW prices for a Yugo product. G4 is at the bottom of the Cpu Pile, Amd kicks its butt, Intels P4 gives it a wooping and we should be happy with this 5 year old Cpu that has spent another year at stagnation,still crippled by its Fsb, using half Of DDR and then be satisfied for paying double waht it should cost? Im sorry but if you want to charge BMW prices I expect a BMW not a Yugo. Every comment i have made is the truth. G4 is old slow outdated obsolete and overpriced that is the fact MrSugar. I wonder how much longer they can keep selling G4s from 3 years ago? Apple is making money true but the new marketshare is getting smaller and smaller every qtr. wonder why? G4 is like a P3. 2 G5s are matching 1 3.2 P4 from benches i have seen so please lets not get some more spin on Apples Hardware. It still is slow and overpriced.
 
Dont Hurt Me said:
G4 is sucky in any product sitting on a desk, its ok for laps but it gets its butt handed to it by all kinds of cpu's that cost half as much. This is fact. Name one bench were a G4 1.25 can keep up with a P4 2.2,2.4,2.5,2.6,2.8,3.0,3.2,3.4 G4s suck ,they are old,they suck at gaming,the FSB is hindered to a 167 mhz while cheapo Pcs at $500 have them 3 or 4 times as fast. DDR is half used I still dont know why they even bothered with DDR in G4s. might as well kept using Sdram. G4 does suck yet they are still pushing these old and slow obsolete cpus in every darn product but Powermacs and then charging twice what they are worth. Motorolas G4 SUCKS and we all KNOW it. They are fine for web surfing and getting grandmas Email but so is a G3 for that matter.

Yes, considering it is now 2004 and we are still seeing G4 1.0 and 1.2 in iMacs and PowerMacs with a 167 FSB - the verdict is in - they officially bite. Debate is not acceptable, they just bite.

When Apple is G4/Moto free, we need to have the biggest dang intercontinental, extracontinental, multigalactic, prophylactic - bring your own alien love slave - MeetUp.com party the planet has ever seen.
 
I would like to slap Mr Jobs and Ives with a G4 cpu wafer! Moto just announce a 1.5 G4 Wow throw a party for the piece of crap. they should have G5s in a lot more products then one. Apples Hardware division sucks as bad as Moto's G4. The laptops are nice but still overpriced but for a computer thats on your desk the line up is very screwed. every one they make is crippled except for dual G5 and again it still takes 2 cpu's to match 1 little Intel.
 
Dont Hurt MeG4 said:
is sucky in any product sitting on a desk, its ok for laps but it gets its butt handed to it by all kinds of cpu's that cost half as much. This is fact. Name one bench were a G4 1.25 can keep up with a P4 2.2,2.4,2.5,2.6,2.8,3.0,3.2,3.4 G4s suck ,they are old,they suck at gaming,the FSB is hindered to a 167 mhz while cheapo Pcs at $500 have them 3 or 4 times as fast. DDR is half used I still dont know why they even bothered with DDR in G4s. might as well kept using Sdram. G4 does suck yet they are still pushing these old and slow obsolete cpus in every darn product but Powermacs and then charging twice what they are worth. Motorolas G4 SUCKS and we all KNOW it. They are fine for web surfing and getting grandmas Email but so is a G3 for that matter.
Opteron said:
Why'd you stop you were on such al roll:D, and I totally agree.

Yeah, I second that!!
 
ImAlwaysRight said:
gop007, the report reprinted by Macrumors sounds very reasonable. Apple's past history is to take the previous middle Power Mac and make it the low end for a speed bump. So dual 1.8 for the base makes a lot of sense. Apple has dropped a dual to a single processor in the past, so it would not suprise me if the low end was a single 1.8, but I have no reason to doubt the dual base model as reported.

Your optimistic configurations are based on what? It is much more logical to believe this rumor that may be based on inside information opposed to a consumer's wishful thinking.

Well if we simply look back not too long ago we went from a top system of 1.25ghz to a low end system of 1.6ghz. My optimistic figures are based on the same speculation that this report is based on. The report may sound reasonable but Macrumors has posted inaccuarte stories before no matter how good the sources were.

Well we will just have to wait and find out. Either way I am buying the mid-level system regardless of speed.
 
Look out now, Steve may still have a warehouse full of those old 500 MHz chips waiting for the next update. He may only change the color to ... , oh well, nevermind.
 
miloblithe said:
It does sound like a pretty solid lineup. And if the Powermacs are all duals it clears the way for single G5s in iMacs . . .

I'm such an optimist.

Hear, hear. Slap a 2GHz chip in that puppy and let me upgrade my damn computer already.
 
I think Apple signed a contract 5 years ago with Moto that said we will buy G4s until you or we go out of business. In the 5 years we had 1year of no progress at all, and we just had another year of no progress at all. the good years we had small almost nothing incremental bumps of G4. What the Hell is Apple doing? Dont they see what has killed marketshare the past 5 years? they are dragging their butts with G5 when they should be doing a crash program to replace G4s in every Desk top machine. My wife and I could both get new computers for the price of 1 mac and have performance that would come close or beat a dual G5. I love the software but whats the point when Hardware just simply sucks.
 
MegaSignal said:
I seemed to have had bad luck with the cheap memory: whether it's due to things like "yields" or some other aspect of quality control, the Apple branded memory seems to work completely without kernel panics or system freezes.

That being said, here's hoping for a G5 in an iMac soon!

Don't buy cheap RAM. Buy competitively priced, quality RAM from crucial.com or Kingston.
 
deepkid said:
Hey all,

Speculation:

Some of you seem to think that a 400Mhz CPU speed increase is mundane. Are you nuts??

Agreed, it wasn't long ago that the fastest Mac ran at 450 MHz.
 
MrToast said:
I've never had a problem upgrading my own system with non-Apple parts. Just turn off, install, and reboot.
<OF TOPIC>
Same here.

Don't buy the cheapest junk you can find. Just be a smart consumer and you can save a bunch by getting easy to replace items yourself. RAM is one of those items that is way to easy to buy and install yourself.
www.crucial.com has good prices, usually free shipping, and great quality. I've never had a problem in any of my Macs using Crucial RAM- and I've bought Gigabytes and Gigabytes of it.
<OF TOPIC>

In any case, I'm very excited about this Rumor! The low end machine would make a great Gaming machine with 2GB of RAM and a 9800! I'm so there!

Let's see of this holds true...
 
Yeah I third the comments about G4's... it needs to be said that the release of the dual 3 Ghz G5's - whenever that happens - marks the point at which Apple finally catch up. It therefore cannot happen soon enough (since by then they'll have to catch up all over again!)

The comparison to BMW prices is a very fair one... unless you happen to live in germany you can't actually USE the engine in even a 3 series let alone the 5, 7 and 8's but that doesn't stop people from buying them BECAUSE its BMW.

Apple need to be SUPER over achieving with the speed hikes they give their machines, not because most people need that processing power but because while they're being told (by Apple) that the G5 is the "BMW" of the computer world other people are successfully selling them "Ferrari's" for a fraction of the price.

Actually it would be fairer to say that they're being sold a kit car with ridiculous amounts of BHP that will be a dead duck inside a year or two - with a Ferrari badge on it. But fairness, sensible deliberation of genuine need and "ecological" concerns however desirable and worthy havent sold any NEW computers to date... people who think that way (like me) go and buy their cars and their computers secondhand and then keep them til they die. (performa 450 still running fine!)

Like I said before - and this is the LOWEST common denominator - when Apple release a two button mouse with a scroll wheel as standard THEN I will believe that their marketing people know their ass from their elbows. If you can't get something that basic right what chance with marketing/selling even the most beautifully fast machines?

I want Macs to be around ten years from now. I love 'em and thats why I want them to get it right and get it right yesterday. They need to make a quantum leap, get the 3Ghz Macs out in the summer and then kill the competition with something outrageous before 04 is out... and that means G5's across the board with desktops.
C
 
LINK...fink! ARTICLE is GONE, pulled, nada! Must be real.

clr900 said:
Just checked the link, works for me. I'm in New Hampshire.
FORGET ABOUT LOOKING
FOR THE MacPlus.org
"New G5 2.4GHz" ARTICLE

(besides it was in French)
[however, we always have Translation in Sherlock]

It HAD been P U L L E D ! ! !
(OOPS! It's back up. Guess the Cat's out of the Bag:D)


Well, guys & gals, we do have the info, that cannot be pulled.

If you just bought a G5 - time to TAKE IT BACK.
Because, according to the ETHERNET BUNNY we will soon have an EARLY

G 5 PowerMac 2.4GHz
C H R I S T M A S

o n
M a r c h 2 3rd, 2 0 0 4
For all good little
MacGIRLS
& MacBOYS
 
NOT Pulled

Well, I just visited the site for the first time (i.e. can't be cached) and the article is still there.
 
change of subject

alright. i know we're talking pm updates and ram scandals, and many of you spit at the thought of apple making ipods and other keyboardless hardware. however, i have question that is not relevant to pmacs, but it is about ipods. when and what company is going to produce wireless earbuds for the pods? is it feasible?
 
cheapnis said:
when Apple release a two button mouse with a scroll wheel as standard THEN I will believe that their marketing people know their ass from their elbows. If you can't get something that basic right what chance with marketing/selling even the most beautifully fast machines?

I want Macs to be around ten years from now. I love 'em and thats why I want them to get it right and get it right yesterday. They need to make a quantum leap, get the 3Ghz Macs out in the summer and then kill the competition with something outrageous before 04 is out... and that means G5's across the board with desktops.
C
two button mouse blaspemy
 
rdowns said:
Agreed, it wasn't long ago that the fastest Mac ran at 450 MHz.

Well, yes... but you're comparing two different things. Apple will increase overall speed in the neighborhood of 20-25% every 6 months. A 50 MHz speed increase at 400 MHz is proportionally no so crappy. I do agree with you that 400 MHz is just fine as an update... though I was hoping for 2.5 or 2.6. Neither the marketplace nor reality support any more. Let's face it-- once the G5 is in consumer products Apple will no longer have lame duck's stinking up their nice pro lines.

No later than September, I would expect Apple to be on target for:
Dual 3.0 GHz PowerMac G5
1.6 GHz to 1.8 GHz PowerBook G5's
1.6 GHz iMac G5
1.5 GHz iBook G4
 
IndyGopher said:
I suspect the close quarters in the iMac would pretty much require using the 90nm CPU's that one finds in the G5 XServes. I would love to see a G5 iMac, and I'm sure we will.. but that's down the road a way I think.

I agree. When the new G5 iMacs get here, though, they will surely be met with much resentment from some Mac Rumors members (i.e.-You can't detach the screen! Waahh!!!!!)

:p ;)
 
sethypoo said:
I agree. When the new G5 iMacs get here, though, they will surely be met with much resentment from some Mac Rumors members (i.e.-You can't detach the screen! Waahh!!!!!)

:p ;)
I wonder how many people that wanted to switch said the heck with it because they had a monitor that was just fine? I wonder how many said the heck with it because of no Pci slot or the heck with it because video sucked and cant be upgraded. Apple continues to find smaller and smaller market. wonder why? anyone got a Alienware because iam thinking of one since i can get one to suite me and they give you all kinds of options and I wont have to play Apples game anymore.
 
iMac--I just told a friend of mine to forget the iMac and get a basic Power Mac--she already has a perfectly good monitor. She also has 4 (!) PCs in the house, all of them apparently give her headaches...

I agree with those that say Apple needs SOME kind of affordable consumer machine. Desperately, in fact. But only if they're serious about getting people to switch.

Best,

Bob
 
you know what i think is wrong with apple

I think that apple has lost sight of what the company really is/was supposed to be about apple is supposed to be making "a computer for the rest of us" but were no longer doing tht apple is becoming to technical and not as easy for people to understand so their scared away were comparing ourselves to bmws when we should be comparing our selves for chevys a car everyone can use and afford to use. Apples website praises that pros use the computers but is that a good thing? yes and no yes its good the computers are good for profesionals but shouldnt we be showing normal people who never knew how to use a computer using one easily making it truly for the rest of us?
 
Dont Hurt Me said:
I wonder how many people that wanted to switch said the heck with it because they had a monitor that was just fine? I wonder how many said the heck with it because of no Pci slot or the heck with it because video sucked and cant be upgraded. Apple continues to find smaller and smaller market. wonder why? anyone got a Alienware because iam thinking of one since i can get one to suite me and they give you all kinds of options and I wont have to play Apples game anymore.

Then leave Dont Hurt Me and stop your incessant whining on these forums, get an Alienware and be happy. I share much of your frustation with Apple, couldn't find their asses with both hands and love shooting themselves in the feet (both) but overall they may be coming around.
 
MacRAND said:
FORGET ABOUT LOOKING
FOR THE MacPlus.org
"New G5 2.4GHz" ARTICLE

(besides it was in French)
[however, we always have Translation in Sherlock]

It has been P U L L E D ! ! !
(as in - NOT THERE anymore, gone - blank)


Well, guys & gals, we do have the info, that cannot be pulled.

If you just bought a G5 - time to TAKE IT BACK.
Because, according to the ETHERNET BUNNY we will soon have an EARLY

G 5 PowerMac 2.4GHz
C H R I S T M A S

o n
M a r c h 2 3rd, 2 0 0 4
For all good little
MacGIRLS
& MacBOYS

I know one shouldn't feed the trolls but WTF are you talking about? Not xmas you so and so, they're coming out this month!
 
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