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sethypoo said:
I agree. When the new G5 iMacs get here, though, they will surely be met with much resentment from some Mac Rumors members (i.e.-You can't detach the screen! Waahh!!!!!)

:p ;)

When the new G5 iMacs get here, I may be a former Apple user. One can take so much frustration after 18 years as an Apple user.
 
Naimfan said:
iMac--I just told a friend of mine to forget the iMac and get a basic Power Mac--she already has a perfectly good monitor. She also has 4 (!) PCs in the house, all of them apparently give her headaches...

I agree with those that say Apple needs SOME kind of affordable consumer machine. Desperately, in fact. But only if they're serious about getting people to switch.

Best,

Bob

To hell with affordable, I want a consumer machine that doesn't have a 3 year old CPU, a system bus that my grandmother can outrun and bastardized features.
 
Photorun said:
I know one shouldn't feed the trolls but WTF are you talking about? Not xmas you so and so, they're coming out this month!

Lighten up dude, did you read what he wrote?

G 5 PowerMac 2.4GHz
C H R I S T M A S
o n
M a r c h 2 3rd, 2 0 0 4

Is March 23rd not this month?
 
@ MacRAND st*pid post ;p

1. Everyone with a working brain can extract most of the information even if that page is written in Frensh
2. Getting the IP of a DNS is a task of 5 seconds and nothing Godly, though I want to thank Arn for all this and his work :)
3. Brining Back your Mac is a stupid idea; if you got no Problems you wont see any real difference, so trading in your actual PM G5 does only make sense if you got any kinds of trouble.
4. The article on macplus is not pulled (at the writing of this post: 3:00 AM CET / GMT + 1)
5. I don't want to see Webpages (if those exist) designed by you ;p (my eyes still burn from your trolly styled post)
6. Sorry for my negativ pessimistic destructive view onto the world; no go and eat lots of meat and shot some people ;p /me hides.
 
Photorun said:
I know one shouldn't feed the trolls but WTF are you talking about? Not xmas you so and so, they're coming out this month!
I think he's trying to say theres going to be a christmas in March because they are coming out. by the way if this is true I will be an extremely happy little boy.
 
Article from MacPlus.org (translation by Sherlock™)

JamesDPS said:
Is it just me, or is the macplus.org site down right now? (pls note date and time as of this post)... are they suddenly getting bombarded because of these kinds of "news" posts? if something like this can generate this much network traffic, maybe we shouldn't give it as much credence... ;)
Well, the Article was pulled, now it is back. Here's a translation a la Sherlock.

Futures PowerMacintosh G5? (Rumour)

March 5, 2004 - 23:42

Our anonymous advisor of Anglo-Saxon extraction* reconsiders a possible date of output (release date) of the next machines of the professional range APPLE. According to its information, it would seem that roadmap (note: the passenger waybill) intern of the laboratories of Cupertino (Apple Computers) gave the green light so that the range (of computers) is (to be) announced as of Tuesday March 23, 2004 for an immediate availability, and with a deadline of 1 month for the rest of the world concerning the model 2,4GHz.
Décidemment (decidedly), that would become really a practice these outputs shifted if this rumour were confirmed... (it's a change in Apple's release practice)

Concerning the contents of the updated range, we would have right (correct)
(I specify again, it is a RUMOUR, thus continue to save! :) )
according to him with the following machines:

1) entry level, PowerMac G5 bi-processors
dual 1,8 GHz,
256 Mo of DDR400 (and either 333), a
hard disk of 80 Go Serial ATA,
three sites PCI-X(instead of the NCV "traditional of the current modeèle) and the
card video GeForce 5200 will utlra 64 Mo of Vram

2) middle level, PowerMac G5 bi-processors
dual 2,2 GHz,
512 Mo of DDR400, a
hard disk of 160 Go Serial ATA, the
video card Radeon 9600 64Mo of Vram

3) top level, PowerMacintosh G5 bi-processors
dual 2,4 GHz,
512 Mo of DDR400, a
hard disk of 160 Go Serial ATA, the
video card
Radeon 9600 64 Mo of Vram

And finally, in option BTO (Built to order), the possibility of integrating
Radeon 9800 Pro currently sold to (sells for) 350$ USD.

If this rumour proves to be (well) founded, one never knows, we would note that only the modèle entrée de gamme would have relatively in-depth changes, and possibly the best quality-price ratio thus with my direction of this range; if the current tariffs (prices) do not change. But good, that remains "supputuesque" calculation, therefore (let us) quietly wait to see what the laboratories of Apple (have) prepared us for the spring-cleaning!
MacGregor

* Anglo-Saxon extraction meaning English speaking (non-French); unless, the author really means some Brit from the UK working for Apple Laboratories in America.

This petty "Anglo-Saxon" reference shows how today's French can have such an amazing fixation on English History, especially before the Norman-French Conquest over 1066 A.D. England.

In 1066, King Edward died (of old age) and initially the Anglo-Saxon Witan (Great Council) chose Harold II as their king. However, Harold's cousin, Prince William of Normandy (northwestern coast of France) objected, claiming his blood right to the crown. Therefore, William invaded England with his army, landed without opposition at Pevensey, near Hastings, slew cousin Harold, Earl of Wessex, during the Battle of Hastings on Oct. 14, 1066 (an arrow shot in the eye :eek: ) thereafter, he was crowned King William the Conqueror before Christmas that year. William's victory and long rule introduced Norman-French words (like "beef" to eat, instead of "cow" to milk) into the heretofore pure Anglo-Saxon language, which eventually became modern ENGLISH...but, of course. As King of England, he was also in effect King of both England AND Normandy, along the coast of France, not an endearing situation for the "King of France", who had to tolerate the uneasy situation.

Besides the Anglo-Saxon hatred for their Norman invaders (presaging Anglo-Saxon Robin Hood, Earl of Locksley's [or, possibly the Earl of Huntingdon] conflict 300 years later with Norman King John and the Shire Reeve of Nottinghamshire), the Normans and the French-French have disliked each other for over a thousand years. This is because the Normans come from hearty Norse ancestory (including flaming red hair), and have more than once beaten up on the "real" French and their King. The Normans, for much of their existence, had refused to recognize the French King as their sovereign...until the French Revolution settled everything, when the king became irrelevant (along with his head).
Ah, can you hear sweet strains of Celtic music;
but please, no River Dance.

If the author is in fact "MacGregor",
then a French Anglo-Saxon Scot of Danish/Norwegian (Norse) ancestory may have written this article... one never knows. :)
 
rdowns said:
To hell with affordable, I want a consumer machine that doesn't have a 3 year old CPU, a system bus that my grandmother can outrun and bastardized features.

LOL! Hilarious!

But if Apple is serious about getting people to switch, affordable IS key.

Then again, I do think the iPod and Mini are all about getting people to switch--even if not immediately, then down the road. I know several folks who have bought iPods etc and then bought their first Mac...

Best,

Bob
 
So has the article been pulled or not? I don't speak french...where is it located on that website if it has not been pulled?
 
Graphics cards unbelievable

I'm sorry, but the graphics cards for the new powermacs must be incorrect. Almost no update and with a measely 64mb of vram? That source is wrong! I can't believe that Apple would stay with the same graphics and video ram! That is a slap in the face to all mac gamers! :mad:

I still maintain my belief that the next update will be upwards of 3 GHz, despite what one Frechie says. :rolleyes:
 
appleface said:
alright. ... when and what company is going to produce wireless earbuds for the pods? is it feasible?
YES it is. You want Mono or (STE REO) ?
Cell phone industry already has it.
Soon, Mr. Belkin, Mr. Botts, soon.
 
Article PULLED, now it is BACK. Post 181

clr900 said:
So has the article been pulled or not? I don't speak french...where is it located on that website if it has not been pulled?
YES it was pulled, (arn is my witness) and now it is BACK.
The translation is in Post #181 above. ¿Comprende, compadre?
 
Photorun said:
I know one shouldn't feed the trolls but WTF are you talking about? Not xmas you so and so, they're coming out this month!
Hey, you gotta read all of it. And, don't blame me, I was just quoting the ETHERNET BUNNY.
 
Vive la Pomme!

I make it a firm rule never to feed trolls. Since a disproportionate number of postings on this topic appear to have their origins under bridges or other dank, dark spaces, I'm just going to have to start a thread of my own.

If my high school French is correct, this is very good news indeed. A 400 MHz speed bump is fantastic, particularly if the pricing structure remains the same. The dual G5 is not a machine for my Aunt Chloe, it's a machine for people like me, who appreciate fine design, attention to detail, and raw, brute, merciless power. If my particular applications will run better with more RAM, I know where to find it. Aunt Chloe probably doesn't need more than 256 MB to run Safari and Mail.app.

If this rumor is true (hear my prayer, O gods!), I shall be standing in line at my local Apple Store with credit card clutched in my sweaty little hand in fifteen days.

-- Guillaume
 
Posts get boring after 8 pages...

Going to the RAM issue, sure Apple charges a lot for more RAM but that doesn't matter, I'll buy it elsewhere. The thing that bothers me is that there are 8 slots for RAM, and since you have to install in pairs, 2 will be used. 128 MB chips are pretty lame and almost seem a waste to hold slots. I'll be buying a cool Gb (2x512) from Crucial or somewhere to start and then add another gig later. I'll either get the low or mid model depending on the final specs, and hope the vid card is new. It seems strange to me though that this French site lists that the 9800 will possibly be a BTO option, why wouldn't it be? It already is a BTO option on current PowerMacs, so it would be strange if it disappeared! Maybe they mean the 9800XT, but if that were the case then all the cards would be updated. Oh well, I would have bought a new G5 for 5 weeks now, so a couple more may pass. There won't be anything better sitting on my desk once I get it reminding me of why I should be doing freelance work to earn money than playing games.

Forgot to add, I'm sure the new Superdrives will be 8x. I haven't seen old Pioneer models for sale for months now. You can get the 107 for $128 shipped. That's why I'll get a combo drive save $180, install a new drive, and sell the combo drive. It's just good economics.
 
Please Please Please, Apple I've been waiting to give you $4000.00. Its been waiting in a small bank account collecting very horrible interest. Please feed my need for speed!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
N
 
Why the heck would anyone buy a computer with an LCD screen for games? They are *way* too slow for any of the FPS genre games, making the comparison to anything with a mobile pentinum CPU just silly, because no one would seriously use a laptop for gaming.

Most people (read consumers) don't use the MHz they have. They just want a machine that is easy to use and works. For the record, I'm posting this from my wife's old latop (300MHz Celeron), remoting to my "Ancient" 1GHz AMD. Works just great for all the basic software that I run at home (You know corporate programmers don't write code at home if they don't have to). :D

That being said, I'm going to bite off on a new Mac in the March/April timeframe. I'm still debating getting a Powerbook or a G5. Don't really need the G5 speed-wise, but it'd be nice for insanely fast builds of my favorite open-source stuff. I remember when compiling the Linux kernel took over 45 minutes... Fun, interesting days.

Good thing most Mac users don't execute benchmarks as their primary jobs, or they'd be unemployed! Sometimes a computer is just a computer. (Sorry Sigmund!)

Dont Hurt Me said:
G4 is sucky in any product sitting on a desk, its ok for laps but it gets its butt handed to it by all kinds of cpu's that cost half as much. This is fact. Name one bench were a G4 1.25 can keep up with a P4 2.2,2.4,2.5,2.6,2.8,3.0,3.2,3.4 G4s suck ,they are old,they suck at gaming,the FSB is hindered to a 167 mhz while cheapo Pcs at $500 have them 3 or 4 times as fast. DDR is half used I still dont know why they even bothered with DDR in G4s. might as well kept using Sdram. G4 does suck yet they are still pushing these old and slow obsolete cpus in every darn product but Powermacs and then charging twice what they are worth. Motorolas G4 SUCKS and we all KNOW it. They are fine for web surfing and getting grandmas Email but so is a G3 for that matter.
 
2.2 and 2.4 seem too close together. I am sure they are coming, but I doubt these are the upper configurations - hopefully 2.5 or 2.6 as the top machine
 
Honestly because Apple is still in catch up mode. The G5 while a good machine does not perform as well as some at Apple would like us to believe. I really want Apple to sell the fastest PC available, a 20% increase in performance wimply will not give us a PC that could be reasonably considered fast.

The disappointment comes from wanting to see Apple stay around a little longer as a viable PC manufacture. If they can not produce equipment that is competitive then they won't be around long. I realize that this is almost a constant concern in the Mac market place and has yet to bear fruit, but frankly Apples market share has never been so bad. Apples eroding market share is due to one issue that is the lack of value in there machines. If Apple can overcome the value issue with hardware that actually performs like winning hardware then they may be able to reaquire some of that market share.

Really anybody that would like to see Apple selling PC's three years from now should be disappointed. We can only hope that the information posted was pulled out of somebodies behind.

Thanks
Dave

dongmin said:
Why do people sound so surprised and disappointed? Apple is still on target to hit the 3 ghz mark by the end of the summer (mid-September).

2.0 --> 2.4 ghz (20% increase)
2.4 --> 3.0 ghz (25% increase)

2.0 --> 2.5 ghz (25% increase)
2.5 --> 3.0 ghz (20% increase)

Apple is following the same old pattern they've always followed: 20-25% upgrade every six months with the middle dropping down to the low-end. These new specs would basically fall in line with their pattern.

Now I agree that the graphics specs aren't too exciting, but the report seems pretty vague in that regard.

Remember that the 2.2 and 2.4 ghz will be the new 970fx. The 1.8s may be the old 970s leftover. They're probably skipping the 2.0s because there aren't too many of them around or they're saving them for another model.
 
Macrumors said:
French site, MacPlus.org, reports that according to their source, 3 new PowerMac G5 models will be released on Tuesday, March 23rd.

According to their information, the new machines will come in at the following specs:

Dual 1.8GHz G5, 256MB DDR400, 80GB HD, GeForce 5200 Ultra
Dual 2.2GHz G5, 512MB DDR400, 160GB HD, Radeon 9600
Dual 2.4GHz G5, 512MB DDR400, 160GB HD, Radeon 9600

MacPlus.org does not frequently publish rumors, but has published an accurate release date in the past.
Just in time for my tax refund :p
 
non fiction said:
2.2 and 2.4 seem too close together. I am sure they are coming, but I doubt these are the upper configurations - hopefully 2.5 or 2.6 as the top machine

200 mhz is too close? P4s difference between the top of the line is 200 mhz, and they're at something like 3.4. Maybe I'm the only one that remembers the days of 16 and 25 mhz jumps?
 
wizard said:
Honestly because Apple is still in catch up mode. The G5 while a good machine does not perform as well as some at Apple would like us to believe. I really want Apple to sell the fastest PC available, a 20% increase in performance wimply will not give us a PC that could be reasonably considered fast.


Apple will be around in 3 years, they are earning money.

The G5 is extremely competitive, even the current model. We aren't talking G4 here... seriously I don't even understand how you can post this, really it makes no sense. What do you mean a 20% increase in performance will not gives us a PC that can be considered reasonably fast?!?! The Dual G5 is already INSANELY fast, I dunno what you are talking about but I have used one first hand many times, and run many different programs. To give you an idea I run a really nice PC right now and the G5 handles just as fast if not faster. Please.... back up what you are saying... blah
 
i don't think this is right

This is not right apple has a memory upgrades deal through March 27, 2004. Check the apple store website
 
deepkid said:
Again, if you consider an alleged raw CPU speed increase of 400Mhz small, you must be dialing in from utopia. Overall system improvements are key, not bowing to the Mhz myth. I think there are more legitimate things to complain about. This certainly isn't one of them.
Again you failed to explain what the MHz myth has to do with Apples product line updates. Here MHz means everything unless you move to a new PPC chip that is not derived from the 970. Those are coming but I'd be surprised if we see them in the next update.

The problem with 400MHz is that even this increase will not result in a competitive machine relative to the i86 world. The sound of that last blurb may hurt the ears of some committed Mac users but it is the truth. Apple palys around with 6 to 9 month updates cycles but unfortunately has their machines eclipsed in a matter of months by the continuous growth of i68 hardware.
Based on hearsay and fear. What's factual? Apple and IBM were able to bring to market a revolutionary new chip and Apple was able to materialize an incredible new powermac which shipped last fall. The machine was able to help Va. Tech rank in the top 5 supercomputer class. Those are facts.

Rival chip makers would love to only achieve a 400 Mhz increase over the previous version of a chip. Again, we don't know because nothing official has been announced, so relax.
I'd love to see Apple/IBM match the continual improvements that AMD is able to apply to their chips!

I'm rather relaxed because I know I won't be sinking my money into this mistake if it comes to pass.
Pardon? I don't think anyone is arguing other whether or not a corporation gets volume discounts when buying components, etc. As i said before and has been common place, resellers get the opportunity to make a deal sweeter by adding in RAM, printers and other perks. Could Apple load up all of the machines with RAM? Yes. But they wouldn't be able to sell the machines at the fire sale prices you seem to suggest, now would they? Can't have your cake and eat it too.
NO one has suggested Apple sell anything at fire sale prices I just want them to be competitive. If I was interested in fire sale prices I would have suggested a base model at $800.

There is no reason whatsoever to keep Apple form selling a machine with a decent amount of RAM. The cost relative to the rest of the machine is nothing and would go far to erasing the perception that Apple machines are valueless.

Thank God Apple doesn't solely rely upon one specific product in order to survive. Also, with them being debt-free with over 4 billion in cash in the bank, they're in better financial shape than their peers. They're on the right track by pricing their machines sensibly and not at flea market prices. What good is marketshare if you're bankrupting your company? I'm glad they're concentrating on profibility because there's no money in selling cheap crap computers.
No one is asking Apple to bankrupt the company, we just want them to offer hardware that is not a rip off. The problem with Apple not relying on computers for their profits is that they tend to loose focus on the computer product. If you can't produce a machine that consumers want then you slowly and continually sell fewer and fewer units until suddenly those units sold are not relavent to the company. At that point Apple says by by to he Mac market and goes on to other things.

If you think Apples prices are sensible and sales of 20000 or fewer Towers per Quarter is good how do you expect the Mac market place to expand and become significnat agian. Significant to the point that new and unique software comes out on the Mac because there is a market for it.
This isn't fact, but I bet I'm right. Many who complain and whine on here do so for their own self-amusement. Cronic complainers. Again, I don't know what machine you're referencing but in tests and real world performance the new powermacs are not the dogs you're painting them to be.
I have to disagree here. The PowerMacs when they where first released could be best described as machines that held parity with i86 hardware that was on the market at the time. That is no longer the case. IN any event they have never been outstanding performers in general and only provide a beneift to a small segment of users for certain classes of applications. If this was a dog race Apple would only be winning on special purpose tracks!
Put up what? The current offerings by Apple are arguably the best ever. They have one runaway hit after another and you're still bitchin'? Name another computer maker who is doing better? I don't think that you can. There's no other computer maker who has a better OS, hardware, software combination while being debt free and with an attractive balance sheet.
The only run away hits that Apple has had recently are the iPods which by the way have nothing to do with the Macs. The Power Mac G5 are just barely meeting Apples public sales goals, there is no way they can be considered a runaway success.

Apple may be attractive but it certianly is not for its sales of macs.
That's all I have to say.
 
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