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I don't think it has ever been standard on the G5. Atleast it wasn't last week.
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I don't think it has ever been standard on the G5. Atleast it wasn't last week.
Good RAM
crucial ram uses micron chips. i just bought 4 gb of this from them and it works great. kingston value ram i heard was ok, but i perfer micron chips.
crucial ram uses micron chips. i just bought 4 gb of this from them and it works great. kingston value ram i heard was ok, but i perfer micron chips.
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welllll, now its official, anyway, i am desperate right now so i'll probably get the 2.3 model as I dont have any time to wait anymore... pretty much i am disappointed with this update and if it wasnt for a fact that I have invested a lot in Mac software I would probably look elsewhere... Powermacs are definately overpriced across the board... My guess is that 970MPs are non existant, it was just a rumor, we probably wont see dual cores until we will see Power5 derived chips, 970 is a dead end technology, it can't scale any higher than 2.8GHZ plus its not in the notebooks after almost 2 years of its Mac debut (actually 970 is more like 3 years old as IBM had them way before the Powermac release)... So I seriously doubt that IBM nor Apple will invest in the 970 further development, its just a disappointment after another disappointment... And as someone in the thread said, its a good thing Apple has that iPod thing going on or else they would be pretty much staring at bankrupcy...
welllll, now its official, anyway, i am desperate right now so i'll probably get the 2.3 model as I dont have any time to wait anymore... pretty much i am disappointed with this update and if it wasnt for a fact that I have invested a lot in Mac software I would probably look elsewhere... Powermacs are definately overpriced across the board... My guess is that 970MPs are non existant, it was just a rumor, we probably wont see dual cores until we will see Power5 derived chips, 970 is a dead end technology, it can't scale any higher than 2.8GHZ plus its not in the notebooks after almost 2 years of its Mac debut (actually 970 is more like 3 years old as IBM had them way before the Powermac release)... So I seriously doubt that IBM nor Apple will invest in the 970 further development, its just a disappointment after another disappointment... And as someone in the thread said, its a good thing Apple has that iPod thing going on or else they would be pretty much staring at bankrupcy...
I got my dual 2.5Ghz G5 last September, I'm glad I didn't wait. I already have the HD space, my graphics card is fine for my purposes, so really a 7 month wait for 200Mhz and dual layer DVDs wouldn't have been worth it for me...
Still, as unimpressive as the upgrades are compared to the old specs, the machines themselves are still lovely (my G5 is the nicest machine I've ever used), and you're still getting more Powermac now than this time last week, so it's better than nothing.
Yeah, I'll second the recommendation for Crucial. We have two G5s (a dual 2.0 and a dual 2.5), both got RAM upgrades from Crucial last year, with no problems (touch wood).
Still, as unimpressive as the upgrades are compared to the old specs, the machines themselves are still lovely (my G5 is the nicest machine I've ever used), and you're still getting more Powermac now than this time last week, so it's better than nothing.
PeterQVenkman said:
Yeah, I'll second the recommendation for Crucial. We have two G5s (a dual 2.0 and a dual 2.5), both got RAM upgrades from Crucial last year, with no problems (touch wood).
Big disappointment these minor upgrades didn't come with price drops. But, I really don't care much about PowerMacs...where are the updates to the eMac and iMac!?!?!?! I need specs and prices people! 
SweetFeet said:
Not to be picky.. but not all
The top-line G4's (in their first year), the 450 and 500 MHz did only optionally have a modem. I have one here without the modem.
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No Speaker Option
Don't know if anyone has posted this, but when you go to custom config a PM, there is no longer an option to add on speakers (they used to offer a couple of high end third party speaker sets).
Also, on the storefront, they don't have the NEW logo next to the Power Mac.
It's completely unadvertised, much like the frequent speedbumps to competitors like Dell aren't.
Don't know if anyone has posted this, but when you go to custom config a PM, there is no longer an option to add on speakers (they used to offer a couple of high end third party speaker sets).
Also, on the storefront, they don't have the NEW logo next to the Power Mac.
It's completely unadvertised, much like the frequent speedbumps to competitors like Dell aren't.
mandis said:Apple must be the only company I know that deliberately cripples its older systems in order to make the new systems look better!!!!
What the f*** happened to the dual 2.0Ghz G5 model? And Why?
And for heavens sake why did they discontinue the dual 2.5Ghz G5?
Is the newly introduced 2.3ghz supposed to improve anything?
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I know what you mean, but the new dual 2.0 GHz G5 isn't that crippled. The only thing crippled about it is that it now only supports a max of 4GB of RAM as opposed to 8GB before. But it's now gained a slightly better GPU and DVD burner. It's like Apple updated it and dropped the price $500.
About 40 GB if I recall correctly. Dual layer DVD has a capacity of 9GB, Blue Ray is about 50GB.wdlove said:
http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/#1.5
Just my 0,02:
- Bad update???
It is just Steve's outrageous promise 2 years ago about reaching 3 Ghz within 12 months, that this update seems bad. A Dual PowerMac G5 runnig @ 2.7 GHz still is a great machine.
- PCI Express over AGP 8x???
No way a grfx card pushes the limit of an AGP 8x bus. I understand future grfx cards will probably be PCI-E only, but not all, and certainly not in the near future. But as with the X800 XT from ATi, the PC version of the card (which I proudly own ) is PCI-E only. The X800 PE is available in AGP 8x. So, I can't imagine seeing ATi/Apple running into trouble with the neXt high-end card: X950. Sure, the PCI-E version will be first delivered, but I doubt ATi will stop supporting AGP 8x with that card.
- Dual Core???
I had the feeling Apple wouldn't get that "first".....
- Radeon 9600 / 9650???
This IS bad. WTF??? A high-end PowerMac like this, introduced allmost halfway 2005 getting a Radeon 96X0 grfx card as default.....
Couldn't Apple have done with some left-over 9800 SE or XT???
- Dual Layer 16x DVD +/- R???
Duh...
Luckily Apple could boast the fact that Tiger would ship as a "standard"....
- Bad update???
It is just Steve's outrageous promise 2 years ago about reaching 3 Ghz within 12 months, that this update seems bad. A Dual PowerMac G5 runnig @ 2.7 GHz still is a great machine.
- PCI Express over AGP 8x???
No way a grfx card pushes the limit of an AGP 8x bus. I understand future grfx cards will probably be PCI-E only, but not all, and certainly not in the near future. But as with the X800 XT from ATi, the PC version of the card (which I proudly own
) is PCI-E only. The X800 PE is available in AGP 8x. So, I can't imagine seeing ATi/Apple running into trouble with the neXt high-end card: X950. Sure, the PCI-E version will be first delivered, but I doubt ATi will stop supporting AGP 8x with that card.- Dual Core???
I had the feeling Apple wouldn't get that "first".....
- Radeon 9600 / 9650???
This IS bad. WTF??? A high-end PowerMac like this, introduced allmost halfway 2005 getting a Radeon 96X0 grfx card as default.....
Couldn't Apple have done with some left-over 9800 SE or XT???
- Dual Layer 16x DVD +/- R???
Duh...
Luckily Apple could boast the fact that Tiger would ship as a "standard"....
A different perspective...
I only wonder how future proof these new powermacs really are
I mean, if I bought one of those 2.7Ghz today, would I be able to purchase the latest GFX card from Ati or Nvidia a year from now?? The major vendors have basically scraped the AGP in order to focus on PCI-E, so how can I be sure that they will still be making AGP versions of their latest cards by the end of 2006??
Memory is also a serious issue here. The latest powermacs dont support DDR2. If I bought 4GB for this system and I perhaps decided to upgrade to the next powermac model (supposing they released one with Dual-Core, PCI-E and DDR2 in 2006) I would be stack with 4 GB of very expensive ram which I would have no use for. Not to mention that I would probably have to sell it on ebay for half the price.
This update could potentially cost me A LOT MORE than just the value of the new Powermac G5.
I only wonder how future proof these new powermacs really are
I mean, if I bought one of those 2.7Ghz today, would I be able to purchase the latest GFX card from Ati or Nvidia a year from now?? The major vendors have basically scraped the AGP in order to focus on PCI-E, so how can I be sure that they will still be making AGP versions of their latest cards by the end of 2006??
Memory is also a serious issue here. The latest powermacs dont support DDR2. If I bought 4GB for this system and I perhaps decided to upgrade to the next powermac model (supposing they released one with Dual-Core, PCI-E and DDR2 in 2006) I would be stack with 4 GB of very expensive ram which I would have no use for. Not to mention that I would probably have to sell it on ebay for half the price.
This update could potentially cost me A LOT MORE than just the value of the new Powermac G5.
This upgrade would have been great if 1) it came out last October, 2) it came with massive price cuts across the line so that the cripple 2.0 was $1499 or so, and the 2.7 was $2299. Wow, it's the Motorola debacle all over again.
Anyone with bizarre notions that Apple is holding something back for WWDC, give me a break! They have never released a revision with a huge increase that quickly and they never will. The time between speed bumps gets longer, not shorter as it does in the PC world.
Given that Apple is stuck with IBMs meager progress, they should have updated the case to make it an actual pro machine, and cut prices. That case is enormous, and it still holds 1 optical, and 2 hard drives without an aftermarket modification kit. Why not high end video cards in a "pro" machine?
Apple is just really sad lately.
Anyone with bizarre notions that Apple is holding something back for WWDC, give me a break! They have never released a revision with a huge increase that quickly and they never will. The time between speed bumps gets longer, not shorter as it does in the PC world.
Given that Apple is stuck with IBMs meager progress, they should have updated the case to make it an actual pro machine, and cut prices. That case is enormous, and it still holds 1 optical, and 2 hard drives without an aftermarket modification kit. Why not high end video cards in a "pro" machine?
Apple is just really sad lately.
While Intel is stepping up production of the Pentium-D and Pentium EE Dual Core, I believe dual cores will not be available in volume -- regardless of Intel, AMD, IBM, or Freescale -- until the 4th calendar quarter. Intel is producing about 100,000 dual cores a month right now, compared with 20 million processors that are sold per quarter. AMD will not begin volume production of the Athlon64 X2 until June/July. I think Apple may well have the motherboard ready to go with PCI Express and possibly SATA-II and other updates, but the processors are simply not being produced in any viable volume for a product release.MacsRgr8 said:
mandis said:
Like I previously stated, I expect AGP 8x to be supported for the next-gen grfx cards (at least for Macs). Even a Radeon X800 PE doesn't push an AGP 8x bus.
As ATi did produce an X800 XT for Mac (thus AGP 8x, not available for PC... need the X800 PE for that), I assume their next-gen card will get AGP 8x as long as ATi sees profit in it. I don't think a Radeon X950 card will be "crippled" by an AGP 8x bus. So, as long as there will be demand for such a card for a Mac, ATi will make one.
Not sure nVidia will do though....
As to DDR2 RAM... I thought I read somewhere AMD would "skip" it, and go straight to DDR3 RAM. Well, Apple could join them. DDR RAM will only get cheaper and cheaper
But you could be right that if you want to upgrade your Mac in about 3 years time (or later) you could run into some trouble getting the hardware. My speculation is based on the near future (about 1-2 years).
Still wondering what the Radeon 9600 / 9650 is
I got the following specs from Apple's web page, does anybody know / remember how these compare to 9600 pro and 9600 XT (which is still listed for the single processor)?
Radeon 9600 / 9650
Pipelines 4 / 4
Frame buffer 128 DDR / 256 DDR
Vertices/sec 163 mil / 200 mil
Fill rate (tex/s) 1.3 bil / 1.6 bil
Bandwith 6.4 GBps / 8.6 GBps
I got the following specs from Apple's web page, does anybody know / remember how these compare to 9600 pro and 9600 XT (which is still listed for the single processor)?
Radeon 9600 / 9650
Pipelines 4 / 4
Frame buffer 128 DDR / 256 DDR
Vertices/sec 163 mil / 200 mil
Fill rate (tex/s) 1.3 bil / 1.6 bil
Bandwith 6.4 GBps / 8.6 GBps