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PowerMac G5 Upgrades Announced (Officially)
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What A Crap Update!
Crap I tell you. Go check out this link. It begs the question, is Apple making big profits at it's consumer expense?
http://www.hardmac.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2005-04-27#3967
Crap I tell you. Go check out this link. It begs the question, is Apple making big profits at it's consumer expense?
http://www.hardmac.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2005-04-27#3967
Come on people! Enough with the miss-information:
DVD+R DL = Double Layer
DVD-R DL = Dual Layer
PCI Express is NOT just a video archetecture. PCI-E will replace ALL PCI slots in the near future. It scales down to 2x which is a tinly little slot with way more bandwidth than PCI.
That said I agree this is a lame update. WTF is it with all these crippled machines?!
I was bummed about the REV 2 dual 1.8 G5s till I realised my REV 1 is supperior.
As for those who think PCI-X is supperior for the home user to PCI: Have you ever tried to find decent add on cards for the G5?
I have there is almost no selection. To get a working SCSI card I had to pay an arm and a leg.
I would WAY prefer having PCI slots to PCI-X.
DVD+R DL = Double Layer
DVD-R DL = Dual Layer
PCI Express is NOT just a video archetecture. PCI-E will replace ALL PCI slots in the near future. It scales down to 2x which is a tinly little slot with way more bandwidth than PCI.
That said I agree this is a lame update. WTF is it with all these crippled machines?!
I was bummed about the REV 2 dual 1.8 G5s till I realised my REV 1 is supperior.
As for those who think PCI-X is supperior for the home user to PCI: Have you ever tried to find decent add on cards for the G5?
I have there is almost no selection. To get a working SCSI card I had to pay an arm and a leg.
I would WAY prefer having PCI slots to PCI-X.
Thanks, MacsRgr8, for your posts.
In terms of fill rate and geometry (triangles) 9650 looks to be equivalent the 9600 Pro for PC. This is not a bad card for a mid-range PC, but it is not a good card for the $2000+ awesome machine that the G5 dual should be!
The thing is, why don't they just make the Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Edition available with the machine? It is $250 from the ATI website. It's the mid-range card they need.
In terms of fill rate and geometry (triangles) 9650 looks to be equivalent the 9600 Pro for PC. This is not a bad card for a mid-range PC, but it is not a good card for the $2000+ awesome machine that the G5 dual should be!
The thing is, why don't they just make the Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Edition available with the machine? It is $250 from the ATI website. It's the mid-range card they need.
LOL
At least Apple's using the correct terminology.
Try to find "DVD+R dual layer" at Sony or Pioneer.
http://www.sonyburners.com/products/product_detail.php?ID=2039743888
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_17573091_226022417,00.html
Unless they made special boxes for the dozen that I've bought...
ps: note the price for the 3-pack...
Avicdar said:
At least Apple's using the correct terminology.
Try to find "DVD+R dual layer" at Sony or Pioneer.
http://www.sonyburners.com/products/product_detail.php?ID=2039743888
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_17573091_226022417,00.html
Unless they made special boxes for the dozen that I've bought...
ps: note the price for the 3-pack...
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Im not owning or going for a PowerMac G5 so I cant really moan about it, but obviously a lot of you are disappointed or a tad piddled at the news!!
Weren't people a tad piddled when the first iPod mini was famously announced?? Prices too high etc?...look at it now!!
Im hoping there will be a similar revival for the PowerMac, not because I want one but I just want to make more of you out there happy and keep Apple in everyones good books!! I don't like the possible route this could go down with a lot of you being very gutted and affecting buying decisions.
But thats just me!
ryan42, weren't Apple having problems with the liquid cooling system? They were not liking them with the potential (and often actual) problems with them (such as leaking, damaging entire inside of computer). Im not surprised its gone, I think they've been wanting to do it and wait until liquid cooling becomes more reliable and sturdy. I wonder how loud and hot they will get now though!!
Weren't people a tad piddled when the first iPod mini was famously announced?? Prices too high etc?...look at it now!!
Im hoping there will be a similar revival for the PowerMac, not because I want one but I just want to make more of you out there happy and keep Apple in everyones good books!! I don't like the possible route this could go down with a lot of you being very gutted and affecting buying decisions.
But thats just me!
ryan42, weren't Apple having problems with the liquid cooling system? They were not liking them with the potential (and often actual) problems with them (such as leaking, damaging entire inside of computer). Im not surprised its gone, I think they've been wanting to do it and wait until liquid cooling becomes more reliable and sturdy. I wonder how loud and hot they will get now though!!
rockthecasbah said:Crucial is supposed to be pretty good and nicely priced
Yes, Crucial makes some pretty good memory, but they're by no means nicely priced.
For example, Crucial charges $376.97 for a 1GB stick of RAM for a 15" PB. I got a 1GB stick at Newegg for $143.39. Crucial thinks that just because we're willing to pay a premium for Apple hardware, that we're also willing to pay a premium for their memory which can be found for much less elsewhere.
What is it that everybody in this forum need to have a computer with more power than you can shake a stick at
I can understand that people who are in the movie industry or doing heavy image processing or insane computation always want a more powerful box but I'm sure most people in this forum are just using their super duper powermac to browse, email and ****ing whinge about everything Apple is not doing to fulfill their wet dreams
It's quite simple in fact, if you want better prices, better upgrade capabilities, better choice then please go the x86 route and use Windows (good for gaming) and/or Linux/FreeBSD.
If you want a nice combo hardware/software then get a Mac.
I trully believe the only reason people are bitching is not that they need more power but rather because they feel they can't put one down on the x86 users because now Apple has the better/faster hardware...
Kind of sad really.
I can understand that people who are in the movie industry or doing heavy image processing or insane computation always want a more powerful box but I'm sure most people in this forum are just using their super duper powermac to browse, email and ****ing whinge about everything Apple is not doing to fulfill their wet dreams
It's quite simple in fact, if you want better prices, better upgrade capabilities, better choice then please go the x86 route and use Windows (good for gaming) and/or Linux/FreeBSD.
If you want a nice combo hardware/software then get a Mac.
I trully believe the only reason people are bitching is not that they need more power but rather because they feel they can't put one down on the x86 users because now Apple has the better/faster hardware...
Kind of sad really.
x800 availability
Does anyone know if the X800 is readily available or does it takes weeks adn weeks to get to your door...anyone know how it is now. ( i heard they were having trouble keeping up with demand).
Well looks like tonight i'll be buying a 2.3 (no add ons...its so much cheaper to get it else where), Final Cut Studio and Photoshop ( i cant believe i still dont own that yet). My wallet is crying already.
Does anyone know if the X800 is readily available or does it takes weeks adn weeks to get to your door...anyone know how it is now. ( i heard they were having trouble keeping up with demand).
Well looks like tonight i'll be buying a 2.3 (no add ons...its so much cheaper to get it else where), Final Cut Studio and Photoshop ( i cant believe i still dont own that yet). My wallet is crying already.
not the case
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Someone else brought up a good point about people not needing all this power, but are making a big deal. Some are doing this not necessarily because they are disapointed and need the power (some really do need it though) but mainly because they want to be able to brag about the power of our mighty Apples and were disapointed since the update was not stellar as once expected.
No offense, but i don't think the Power Mac is in the same boat as the iPod mini. More people are in the market for mp3 players than computers, especially high end machines like the Power Mac. I can't see anything but decent figures on these speedbumps until they unveil dual cored Power Macs, possibly at Apple Expo in Paris. We can all hope at leastGil_Grissom said:
!!!Someone else brought up a good point about people not needing all this power, but are making a big deal. Some are doing this not necessarily because they are disapointed and need the power (some really do need it though) but mainly because they want to be able to brag about the power of our mighty Apples and were disapointed since the update was not stellar as once expected.
wdlove said:
Don't count on it. The lowest price Digital Media has for double layer DVDs is $234.96 for a spindle of 50 (about $4.70 per disc).
The other day I was in a Circuit City and a sales guy was selling a poor customer on an HP desktop with a double layer DVD burner. I interupted and asked if they stock double layer DVDs and he sheepishly said "no".
I know Sam's Club has just started stocking double layer DVDs -- around $5.50 per disc when bought in a pack of nine.
I thihk it will be a long time (if ever) before double layer DVDs come down to, say, $1 per disc. Digital Media sells single layer DVDs as low as 39¢ a piece and printable DVDs for around 66¢.
Amen!
I hope we don't have to wait too long for the iMac information to surface or go through a week or more of rumors and more rumors. Put it on the site Steve and let us spend our money!
OnaMacSince1989 said:Big disappointment these minor upgrades didn't come with price drops. But, I really don't care much about PowerMacs...where are the updates to the eMac and iMac!?!?!?! I need specs and prices people!
I hope we don't have to wait too long for the iMac information to surface or go through a week or more of rumors and more rumors. Put it on the site Steve and let us spend our money!
fps said:What is it that everybody in this forum need to have a computer with more power than you can shake a stick at
I can understand that people who are in the movie industry or doing heavy image processing or insane computation always want a more powerful box but I'm sure most people in this forum are just using their super duper powermac to browse, email and ****ing whinge about everything Apple is not doing to fulfill their wet dreams
It's quite simple in fact, if you want better prices, better upgrade capabilities, better choice then please go the x86 route and use Windows (good for gaming) and/or Linux/FreeBSD.
If you want a nice combo hardware/software then get a Mac.
I trully believe the only reason people are bitching is not that they need more power but rather because they feel they can't put one down on the x86 users because now Apple has the better/faster hardware...
Kind of sad really.
it's not simply a question about being faster, it's about initiative and PR. When Apple is first to do something in their machines they shout it as loud as possible. This makes the media pay attention, gets them press coverage, increases awareness with consumers, makes the share holders happy and boosts sales from the exposure.
Right now the PC world is running rings around Apple by adapting new technologies first. That's something Apple used to do. Nobody will be shouting about the latest updates in the press, not in the same way they were last week when AMD and Intel dual cores were all over the place.
As someone who has worked on Macs since the SE30 this in no way would convince me to switch from Windows if I wasn't already a Mac user, one of 3 Mac users in my entire company. Everyone else is on XP. Why switch to a machine that isn't future proof and offers less than a box you already use? And if you work in design or media and sit watching the progress bar over and over, faster is important. It's the difference between going to bed at 3am and 2am.
Plus, it is good to be a Mac fan and gloat over Windows users when Apple pulls out an ace. That's been part of Mac culture for a long time, that's part of being one of the 3-5% of computer users. That's what justifies sticking with Apple when the rest of the world is against you. Those are the people that have kept the Mac going this long.
AidenShaw said:
Yeah, I think DL is more of a "compatibility for the future" kind of technology. Yeah, it is nice, but when the discs cost an arm & leg, then its not as big of a deal. Which is EVEN more of a reason why I refuse to be impressed by Apple. Apple is one-year away from pulling a G4. They had a huge opportunity last year to blow the PC crowd away when dual-cores weren't even there.
Blew it.
Now it's 2 years from the 2.0's grand entrance. Consider how much engineering can be accomplished in 2 years. Alot.
A paltry increase in HD size and adding a "DL" DVD burner isn't exactly my idea of an "updated lineup".
The average price of a 16x, 6x DL DVD burner = $65.
http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Prod...rice=&MaxPrice=&SubCategory=5&Submit=Property
Those two "upgrades" are worth maybe $150. One whole year, and that's what the update is worth? I wouldn't include Tiger, since the G5's release in the summer of 2003, culminated with the release of Panther in October. Of course, with the massive delays in shipping those G5's, you could say it was practically simultaneous then.
The biggest joke is putting a strange 256MB VRAM incarnation of a very old 9600-core ATi (released around 2003). This is a bleeding edge, content-creation machine and Apple continues to use sub-par, low-end GPUs. Too funny.
I started thinking....
since we didn't hit the 3ghz Steve said two years ago and this update took 10 months to make the next PowerMac update will be in 8 MONTHS!!!!
Here is is....Come MacWorld 2006 in January
970MP 3ghz+ / new case / blu-ray drives / new PCI BUS and video architecture
and the new designed PowerBook G5
This makes sense...It gives Apple and IBM 8 full months to get things ready for a blow out in Jan 2006....Just my thoughts
Go ahead and order one of these since it will be a long wait for the next update.
since we didn't hit the 3ghz Steve said two years ago and this update took 10 months to make the next PowerMac update will be in 8 MONTHS!!!!
Here is is....Come MacWorld 2006 in January
970MP 3ghz+ / new case / blu-ray drives / new PCI BUS and video architecture
and the new designed PowerBook G5
This makes sense...It gives Apple and IBM 8 full months to get things ready for a blow out in Jan 2006....Just my thoughts
Go ahead and order one of these since it will be a long wait for the next update.
Whoa
Wow, 11 pages of rancid rantings!
Still, anyone who was about to actually buy a Powermac is probably very glad they waited a few more days.
WWDC will add the 3 GHZ Quad Core top-end machine to this lot, and suddenly the sun will be shining again in AppleZealot Land.
Wow, 11 pages of rancid rantings!
Still, anyone who was about to actually buy a Powermac is probably very glad they waited a few more days.
WWDC will add the 3 GHZ Quad Core top-end machine to this lot, and suddenly the sun will be shining again in AppleZealot Land.
Ok... The thing is not so much about bandwidth, but response times and architectures. AGP is a parallel bus, which means data is transferred syncronously on the bus. In case of AGP 'x8' does actually mean 8 speed. PCIe is a serial bus. Serial bus has a *massive* advantage over a parallel bus! In the case of PCIe x16 actually means that there are 16 lanes, so x8 and x16 do not actually mean the same things.
There are also other technical and fiscal benefits beyond the scope of this forum
Capt Underpants said:
The 9650 has support for a 30-inch Cinema Display. AKA, it's definitely worth the extra $50 if you have a Cinema Display but don't need a 6800.