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PowerMac G5s - on or around Jan 20th?

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I always wondered how come Apple likes to make hardware announcements months before said product is ready to ship??? I've seen Dell make product announcement then they're ready for shipping in a week or so.

Just curious why they just don't wait and have the product on hand prior to the announcement. At least that wouldn't cause us to get excited, then pissed off that we'll have to wait three months before delivery.
 
Originally posted by contempt
I always wondered how come Apple likes to make hardware announcements months before said product is ready to ship??? I've seen Dell make product announcement then they're ready for shipping in a week or so.
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Apple always releases these revolutionary big new things, so they like to keep them a secret until theyre announced (Cuz otherwise their competitors would start copying before they were announced! lol)

And in order to keep something much of a secret, it needs to be announced before it goes into production
 
Originally posted by ZildjianKX
How long after a G5 PB do you think it will take to see a G5 iMac? Just curious...
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Not sure if you were asking me, since you were quoting my post.

Hopefully my post was clear - since I think the G5 iMac will come first, or simultaneously (the iMac is a small enclosure, it may have just as much heat problems as the Powerbook).

Imagine if a book store said "I'm not going to release the new thriller because it'll kill the sales of the old thriller". That works great if you're the only bookstore in town. If your customers can go to another shop you're in trouble.
 
Well 12 days to go before we have an answer I guess on the 20th Anniversary Mac... Think Secret got it most right last time so I am hoping they will come through soon with a rumor about what to expect so we can narrow down this debate about G5 iMacs (old or new form factor), versus G5 Cube, versus just PowerMac speed hikes... very disappointed if its only the later...
 
G5.1...Soon.. .but not soon enough

Praying every day for the new G5.1's but my fear is they are farther off than we hope. My insight has always come from monitoring cash rebate offeres on the Educational Pricing Site for Apple in the weeks leading up to a speed bump and the retail models a little closer to "D-Day". So far... no rebates....

Sigh - the fist mac that I'll pay cash for... and I am forced to wait....

Iriejedi

PS - However - Maybe Big Stevie J has caught on to me... and is even witholding those rebate clues....maybe...

The dream....dual 2.6 gig G5's, 1.5 gig RAM and a Radeon 9800 Pro 'special G5 edition' 256 megs of DDR....(www.ati.com).
 
jan 20

two macs

8 procs

quad proc enterprise xserve

quad proc xstation with pro graphics (3dlabs)

redefining their "pro" line.

plus speed bumps to the current lineup

2, 2.2, 2.4, 2.6

my 2 cents :p
 
Re: jan 20

Originally posted by thedude
two macs

8 procs

quad proc enterprise xserve

quad proc xstation with pro graphics (3dlabs)
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and then you woke up from your dream....

That won't happen.....

D
 
The man vs The Dude

I'll refer to you as "Tha Man" instead of "the Dude" if you are right!


Assuming we see 2.6gig deals as the opper end how steady do people think Apple will be with theit $3k upper end price?
 
Originally posted by ~Shard~
I wouldn't worry at all, even if the PMs do get upated in 2 weeks. The current PMs are amazing machines, and just because new ones will be announced in a couple weeks does not magically make your machine garbage, slow and useless. Pick up your PM and start enjoying it! If you keep waiting for the next best thing, you'll always be waiting!
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Shard, you bastard. You almost convinced me not to wait and go buy one... Almost. ;)
 
Jumping On the bank wagon

I agree with Shard - but since I've just 'seriously' entered the market and since my current mac is a B/W G3 (with a 550 G4 upgrade)... I've waited this long and at least for me, a few more weeks won't hurt.

But I know I've said that for about 4 rounds of upgrades.... so only now can I afford the computer so that is the tipping point - but if I were a business and productivity was sub par - I'd not wait cause I agree the G5s out now are freaking amazing....

But when I consider the cost... I always chant to my self - Mac IIci $3200... Mac IIci $3200...Mac IIci $3200...Mac IIci $3200... makes me feel good about dropping $3k on this bad boy!
 
Well, just to add to the mix here, I'm returning my Dual 2.0 G5 and 23 inch display for a full refund.

I ordered on June 30th, received on October 1st, and have ever since then fighting with hardware problems that Apple can't seem to fix. I just got off the phone with Apple and confirmed that I wanted a refund (rather than a replacement + perks).

Statistically, these machine are supposed to be very good for a first revision -- but once bitten....

Of course, I will keep my money handy and wait for the next revision -- even if that takes another couple of months.... (though I'm crossing my fingers the revs will be this month!)
 
What was problem

Just out of curiousity - what was the hardware problem.

This is the first incident I've heard of (albiet - I've not looked searched hard for anything negative about the G5s).

Iriejedi
 
It seems that something is due very soon.
macmall.com & macconnection.com
All have lowered the price of the discontinued 1.8 below the price of the 1.6!!! They are all running $1,740.00
Seems like there is something behind this price drop.
I feel its because speed bumps are comming very very soon.
:eek:
 
Rebate Dream

I know this means I think way too much about the pending speed bumps - but since day dreaming and forum gossip boards are all I've got for now....

The other night I drempt clearly that the Apple store started offering the rebates for educational and retail price structures. The dream was so clear to the point that when I checked in the AM I was shocked, almost dissapointed. It was less waking knowing I had the dream but waking and knowing it was true. As if someone told me it was true.

Maybe it was more a vision vs a dream.....
 
That's hilarious! I just woke up from a dream that iLife '04 was available here. (Just checked. Not yet.)

Squire
 
Re: Rebate Dream

Originally posted by iriejedi
I know this means I think way too much about the pending speed bumps - but since day dreaming and forum gossip boards are all I've got for now....

The other night I drempt clearly that the Apple store started offering the rebates for educational and retail price structures. The dream was so clear to the point that when I checked in the AM I was shocked, almost dissapointed. It was less waking knowing I had the dream but waking and knowing it was true. As if someone told me it was true.

Maybe it was more a vision vs a dream.....
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I want some of what you took that night:cool:
 
Re: jan 20

Originally posted by thedude
two macs

8 procs

quad proc enterprise xserve

quad proc xstation with pro graphics (3dlabs)

redefining their "pro" line.

plus speed bumps to the current lineup

2, 2.2, 2.4, 2.6

my 2 cents :p
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I think Apple will remain with 2 processor desktop machine no matter what. Not saying you were suggesting otherwise, but this got me thinking. I thought I would address it...

Apple will use xServe node machines at $2999 to add speed to a local computing network. Add in the power of the xGrid software and anyone can put together a mini supercomputer. Think about how nice it would be for 3D modeling and animation houses, etc. to have a rack devoted to rendering that they can seamlessly offload rendering tasks to.... sweet.
 
Re: What was problem

Originally posted by iriejedi
Just out of curiousity - what was the hardware problem.
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Iriejedi -- Here's a close up of my problem: http://www.uoregon.edu/~jearly/monitorprob.jpg

Here's someone else with the same problem and a bunch of other screen shots:
http://homepage.mac.com/ianj/PhotoAlbum19.html

Basically, this 'blue noise' (other people have green noise) can cloud up the monitor, and even get so bad the monitor flickers on and off or just stays off. The folks at apple didn't think it was the monitor, so I had my video card, logic board, and two processors replaced. Of course, not all at once, and after one of the replacements the Apple hardware test said my logic board was hosed as well.... several people seem to have this noise problem, but it's hard to tell just how many....

There are other startup related problems people have, and even hard drive problems....

One never knows just how many people out of how many powermacs see such problems, so it's hard to say how bad it really is -- but there certainly are a few problems out there.

Jeffrey
 
pleeease 1/20

after the wishlist rumors prior to macworld (come ON: dual 2.0, 2.2 & 2.6? i never thought that was plausible, AI), i don't dare to hope for too much on the 20th, BUT

i hope they sh*tcan that bottom machine, give it the full strength PCI and dual 1.6. They can even raise the price $100 and I'm sold! if they raise the middle machine to dual 2.0 and the top machine to 2.5 it's a pretty decent spread.

i'm afraid that may still be hoping for too much, though...

what i think does make some sense is that IBM and Apple's inventory of the older (120) 1.6 chips will really have little value once this generation of machines goes EOL, so why not double up on them? It might not cost them much more than a single 2.0ghz. Maybe the new chips will use a less-beefy heatsink as well, so the top two machines get that, and the bottom machine uses the old chips and heatsinks. clear out the parts bin! isn't that sorta what they did with the dual 450 G4's?
 
Re: Rebate Dream

Originally posted by iriejedi
The other night I drempt clearly that the Apple store started offering the rebates for educational and retail price structures. The dream was so clear to the point that when I checked in the AM I was shocked, almost dissapointed. It was less waking knowing I had the dream but waking and knowing it was true. As if someone told me it was true.

Maybe it was more a vision vs a dream.....
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Our very own MacProphet ;)
 
Originally posted by ~Shard~
I've been saying the same thing for months now. The iMac will not see a G5 until the PowerBooks either get a G5...I'm not saying Apple should cripple the iMacs
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I'm confused, that seems to be exactly what you're saying. If Apple could produce G5 iMacs now, are you saying they should hold off on them until they can get a G5 in a PB?

Perhaps the iMac will move from the consumer level to more of a mid-grade level, between the eMac and the PM, become more powerful, but as a result, also more expensive - say $3000 or higher. (Just wild speculation here!)
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Er, yeah :) The iMac is already solidly in the "high-end consumer" space (in price but not performance, which is why it needs the G5 yesterday). $3000 would be ludicrous, unless the towers got a lot more expensive, which would be a huge mistake.
 
Originally posted by 3.1416
I'm confused, that seems to be exactly what you're saying. If Apple could produce G5 iMacs now, are you saying they should hold off on them until they can get a G5 in a PB?
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This is a little complicated. Number one, I don't think Apple has the G5 iMac quite ready yet regardless, but even if they did, there are a couple of factors which I think are reasonable reasons to hold it back just a little while. One of them is the G5 PowerBooks. Now, I'm not saying hold back the iMac forever, especially if heating issues are encountered with the PBs, but don't release it 6 months or more before the PBs. But secondly, even if the G5 iMac is ready to go, Apple has a lot of things on the go, and I could see them waiting just a little while to announce it. So much was announced at MWSF, they're still working on ITMS around the world, new LCDs, PM updates, who knows what else... All I'm saying is these things take time, and Apple probably has a "rollout schedule" of sorts for all their products. I see the G5 iMacs in a couple more months. But I could be wrong. ;)

Originally posted by 3.1416

Er, yeah :) The iMac is already solidly in the "high-end consumer" space (in price but not performance, which is why it needs the G5 yesterday). $3000 would be ludicrous, unless the towers got a lot more expensive, which would be a huge mistake.
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Oh, I agree - as I said in my post, just crazy speculation. :cool:
 
Originally posted by ~Shard~
This is a little complicated. Number one, I don't think Apple has the G5 iMac quite ready yet regardless, but even if they did, there are a couple of factors which I think are reasonable reasons to hold it back just a little while. One of them is the G5 PowerBooks. Now, I'm not saying hold back the iMac forever, especially if heating issues are encountered with the PBs, but don't release it 6 months or more before the PBs. But secondly, even if the G5 iMac is ready to go, Apple has a lot of things on the go, and I could see them waiting just a little while to announce it.
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If it's ready to go, then release it.. I can't imagine why you'd hold a product back. That doesn't make sense to me. You're going with the G5 in the future, the sooner the better. You've already announced that you're not going to throw the damn thing in a PowerBook because of heat concerns...

The sooner Apple ditches the G4 the better.
 
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