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eyelikeart
Moderator emeritus
Re: "New" G4 Towers
um yeah.....let's all boycott Apple until they produce this fantasy system.... 🙄
what kind of an idiot are u? 😕
a perfect example of people who bitch too much... 😱
my question is....what exactly do u need the above system to do anyway? 😕
um yeah.....let's all boycott Apple until they produce this fantasy system.... 🙄
what kind of an idiot are u? 😕
a perfect example of people who bitch too much... 😱
my question is....what exactly do u need the above system to do anyway? 😕
SPG
macrumors 65816
I think a lot of people are missing the point of these towers (if they come at all). These G4 towers will not be released to a big hooplah hype fest, but a press release and then a UPS truck at the retailer. Why? They are a stopgap until there is something worthy of the hype like a G5. If you need to set up a new workstation now then you'll be happy to get a DP G4 @1ghz, but it's not that much faster than a DP800 so I don't think that even Steve's reality distortion field would convince many people to trade up right now.
The ghz barrier being broken? Don't expect Apple to say much on that front, remember that they still say mhz myth to speed questions and claiming "look 1ghz!" would get laughed at by everyone else with 2ghz specs.
Once the G5 comes out we'll see a lot of people trading up from perfectly good G4 towers.
The ghz barrier being broken? Don't expect Apple to say much on that front, remember that they still say mhz myth to speed questions and claiming "look 1ghz!" would get laughed at by everyone else with 2ghz specs.
Once the G5 comes out we'll see a lot of people trading up from perfectly good G4 towers.
Releasedate
What ever the specs may be it is likely we won't see new towers until early Feb. Proof? Apple's eNews dated 1/23/02.
"Dont let the post-holiday budget blues keep you from getting that new Mac youve got your eye on. Place your order by January 31, and you can apply for instant loan for the full amount and moreup to as much as $25,000and enjoy instant gratification without interest or payments for 180 days from when your order ships, not to mention the added benefit of getting iPhoto, iTunes, and more on that new Mac right now. Hurry, this offer ends January 31, 2002(1) ." --Apple
It isn't likely that Apple will offer this deal on new towers or introduce new towers until they have cleared more of their inventory.
What ever the specs may be it is likely we won't see new towers until early Feb. Proof? Apple's eNews dated 1/23/02.
"Dont let the post-holiday budget blues keep you from getting that new Mac youve got your eye on. Place your order by January 31, and you can apply for instant loan for the full amount and moreup to as much as $25,000and enjoy instant gratification without interest or payments for 180 days from when your order ships, not to mention the added benefit of getting iPhoto, iTunes, and more on that new Mac right now. Hurry, this offer ends January 31, 2002(1) ." --Apple
It isn't likely that Apple will offer this deal on new towers or introduce new towers until they have cleared more of their inventory.
Consider this...
There also can is a chance Apple brings out an High-End iMac with an 17" TFT screen... that would be nice for most graphic use! Or 'think different' twice: what about an iMac WITHOUT a screen (so the 'Cube' transforms to '1/2 soccerball'), and you can attach any display you like? That are predictions I didn't see around these days... An to be honoust; I think a 17" iMac is a REAL option (take a look at the current iBook-lineup).
[Ger Nijkamp]
There also can is a chance Apple brings out an High-End iMac with an 17" TFT screen... that would be nice for most graphic use! Or 'think different' twice: what about an iMac WITHOUT a screen (so the 'Cube' transforms to '1/2 soccerball'), and you can attach any display you like? That are predictions I didn't see around these days... An to be honoust; I think a 17" iMac is a REAL option (take a look at the current iBook-lineup).
[Ger Nijkamp]
SPG
macrumors 65816
Who needs the speed? Graphics, video, and audio pros all benefit from the speed, but most agree that there is a point where more expensive machines justify the increased productivity. I don't think that a DP1ghz is reason to throw out a DP533. A DP G5 1.6ghz? hmmm, maybe...Okay I will buy one of those the day it's announced but it will replace my very stable G4 450 that I've been running at home for over 2 years now.
At work we justify the upgrades by saying that 40% less render time is 40% more work time. 40%x$50,000=$20,000 labor cost spent watching a status bar vs $3500 equipment expense. (I know the numbers are over simplified but you get the point.)
At work we justify the upgrades by saying that 40% less render time is 40% more work time. 40%x$50,000=$20,000 labor cost spent watching a status bar vs $3500 equipment expense. (I know the numbers are over simplified but you get the point.)
Moron?
Thanks, Hemingray. You'll missed my point, probably read it to fast. This site is know for the REAL rumours with a kind of quality. The rumour we're talking about could be made up by a three year old...
Or is it normal around here that non-members are called that way by members? If that's the level of communicating here, you indeed posted the right rumour...
[Ger Nijkamp]
Thanks, Hemingray. You'll missed my point, probably read it to fast. This site is know for the REAL rumours with a kind of quality. The rumour we're talking about could be made up by a three year old...
Or is it normal around here that non-members are called that way by members? If that's the level of communicating here, you indeed posted the right rumour...
[Ger Nijkamp]
who the hack will...
Listen, what if you want to EXPAND your mac with a pci-card, put another graphicscard, put another faster disk(scsi!) for your video-editing work, how would you possible do that on the "low-end" G4 named iMac!!!
Listen, what if you want to EXPAND your mac with a pci-card, put another graphicscard, put another faster disk(scsi!) for your video-editing work, how would you possible do that on the "low-end" G4 named iMac!!!
eyelikeart
Moderator emeritus
Re: who the hack will...
the point of the iMac is that it doesn't incorporate those abilities....
it's an "all in one" system....
which is why it's been particularly aimed at "consumers" who don't have the ultimate need to do those things...
if u need to be able to switch out hardware parts, get a tower...
the point of the iMac is that it doesn't incorporate those abilities....
it's an "all in one" system....
which is why it's been particularly aimed at "consumers" who don't have the ultimate need to do those things...
if u need to be able to switch out hardware parts, get a tower...
eric_n_dfw
macrumors 68000
Re: Re: who the hack will...
I think that was their point - they need those capabilities and they were responding to the prior message that said "who the heck would buy the entry level tower".
I think that was their point - they need those capabilities and they were responding to the prior message that said "who the heck would buy the entry level tower".
Re: Re: "pros" vs. pros
I can't do anything but wonder, that the Mac users of the richiest country of the world are whining and whining all the time about the prices of macs, only 256M of ram and so on. You can't get the best computer chieply.
If you are a pro or semi pro ore even a simple Mac loving US citicen you should afford to by a new Mac and by extra ram etc, up to 1,5 Ghz
In here, in the pheriphelia we save and pay double the price and are happy
with our new desktop with 1.5g of ram or so. Sorry, no offence, its just pisses me off. In our prices Pro Mac's should be G5,1,2Ghz,3Ghz RAM, 160M HD, GeForce5 with 128 or 256 Mhz and so on.
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I can't do anything but wonder, that the Mac users of the richiest country of the world are whining and whining all the time about the prices of macs, only 256M of ram and so on. You can't get the best computer chieply.
If you are a pro or semi pro ore even a simple Mac loving US citicen you should afford to by a new Mac and by extra ram etc, up to 1,5 Ghz
In here, in the pheriphelia we save and pay double the price and are happy
with our new desktop with 1.5g of ram or so. Sorry, no offence, its just pisses me off. In our prices Pro Mac's should be G5,1,2Ghz,3Ghz RAM, 160M HD, GeForce5 with 128 or 256 Mhz and so on.
Re: Re: Funny!
I had the same thought... I wouldn't buy a PC motherboard that doesn't support DDR RAM. I've built an Athlon machine with DDR RAM. That was many months ago! DDR RAM is not new technology! I hope Apple will get up to speed, quick!
The Ti G4 is also in need of a real update--not just a little speed bump.
I had the same thought... I wouldn't buy a PC motherboard that doesn't support DDR RAM. I've built an Athlon machine with DDR RAM. That was many months ago! DDR RAM is not new technology! I hope Apple will get up to speed, quick!
The Ti G4 is also in need of a real update--not just a little speed bump.
Well Ari, i dont live in the richest country in the world. Infact i live in a country that is slowly going down the drain.
But i know that i complain about macs being too expensive because it would take me too long for me to be able to afford one. I juts dont have the cash, and there are many people in the same financial ditch i am in.
Apple is missing out on this market.
But i know that i complain about macs being too expensive because it would take me too long for me to be able to afford one. I juts dont have the cash, and there are many people in the same financial ditch i am in.
Apple is missing out on this market.
StealthRider
macrumors 65816
Re: Re: "pros" vs. pros
......Since when have there been GF3s in sub PowerMac 733s.....?
...An add-on?
......Since when have there been GF3s in sub PowerMac 733s.....?
...An add-on?
NEW G4 or G5
I think Tokyo is the BIG G5 announcement!
These posting are full of rumors! I guess that is why the are rumors, and as rumors go, they spin out of control. I have owned a Mac since 1984. I have noticed one thing, it seem Apple introduce things about every 180 days or so. Which brings you to Tokyo; you know Jobs likes to 'wow' the people at these shows. Do you really think he will announce anything new before the show? He is holding out, trying to catch up on demand on the new iMacs. By the time the Tokyo show starts, he will be ready for the new G5 towers, but remember, if u order the day of the show expect not to have one in hand for another month!!
🙂
I think Tokyo is the BIG G5 announcement!
These posting are full of rumors! I guess that is why the are rumors, and as rumors go, they spin out of control. I have owned a Mac since 1984. I have noticed one thing, it seem Apple introduce things about every 180 days or so. Which brings you to Tokyo; you know Jobs likes to 'wow' the people at these shows. Do you really think he will announce anything new before the show? He is holding out, trying to catch up on demand on the new iMacs. By the time the Tokyo show starts, he will be ready for the new G5 towers, but remember, if u order the day of the show expect not to have one in hand for another month!!
🙂
Re: Re: "pros" vs. pros
no... faster macs = less smoking breaks
when i first got to work on a G4 i was exhausted by the end of the day...
no... faster macs = less smoking breaks
when i first got to work on a G4 i was exhausted by the end of the day...
Pro V.S. Pro
As a Mac user for well over a decade, (my first, my present and ultimately my last computer will be a Mac) I've never used anything else, I'm amazed at the crap fellow Mac users argue about.
Let's clear it up once and for all. Yes, as a Mac user people always want better performing machines (that desire will be an endless journey down Apple Lane). By the very definition of being a Mac user we are trend setters who know what the very best is and will accept no substitute.
As far as being a Pro or not who sets the criteria for that? Personally, I use FCP and Photoshop all day, everyday on a DP 800Mhz with 1.0 GB of Ram, 3 x 72GB Ultra SCSI Hard drives (Yes folks, that's three internal HDs) and then I have an external 80GB Firewire hard drive and a VST 10GB portable Firewire HD. I also have a Cinema Display (and anyone who has used one of these wouldn't be complaining about the need for an extra monitor) and a PowerBook (to make on the spot presentations to clients) And guess what? I STILL WANT A G5!!!
Why? Is it the the desire to have the latest and best? Maybe a little, but anyone who has rendered a FCP file with about twenty layers of video and 5-10 layers of audio can relate. IT TAKES FOREVER! Especially if you are doing more than just editing. If you are doing something creative, the rendering times can get pretty crazy. So YES!, I am always looking to buy an ever more powerful Mac and as long as Apple has the ability to make better, faster and more powerful machines, I'll keep desiring them. Case closed!
As a Mac user for well over a decade, (my first, my present and ultimately my last computer will be a Mac) I've never used anything else, I'm amazed at the crap fellow Mac users argue about.
Let's clear it up once and for all. Yes, as a Mac user people always want better performing machines (that desire will be an endless journey down Apple Lane). By the very definition of being a Mac user we are trend setters who know what the very best is and will accept no substitute.
As far as being a Pro or not who sets the criteria for that? Personally, I use FCP and Photoshop all day, everyday on a DP 800Mhz with 1.0 GB of Ram, 3 x 72GB Ultra SCSI Hard drives (Yes folks, that's three internal HDs) and then I have an external 80GB Firewire hard drive and a VST 10GB portable Firewire HD. I also have a Cinema Display (and anyone who has used one of these wouldn't be complaining about the need for an extra monitor) and a PowerBook (to make on the spot presentations to clients) And guess what? I STILL WANT A G5!!!
Why? Is it the the desire to have the latest and best? Maybe a little, but anyone who has rendered a FCP file with about twenty layers of video and 5-10 layers of audio can relate. IT TAKES FOREVER! Especially if you are doing more than just editing. If you are doing something creative, the rendering times can get pretty crazy. So YES!, I am always looking to buy an ever more powerful Mac and as long as Apple has the ability to make better, faster and more powerful machines, I'll keep desiring them. Case closed!
speed!=driveshaft length
For all of the G4 owning my-Mac-makes-me-flacid-'cause-it's-not-the-imaginary-G5 poseurs:
i was one of the lucky people who bought a top-of-the-line 9600/300 when it was released just before the reintroduction of Steve Jobs and the G3 desktops. Months after i got my delicious machine, the G3's hit the dektops and everyone started singing Oh Halelujah!, but the truth was that my machine was comparable to the originals (at least in Pshop/Quark) because of the 128 bit 2D card that it came with... Well, then came the Yosemites, then the beautiful G4's.... and all the while i'm still using my 9600 which i payed $4000 dollars for (no monitor w an upgrade from 64 to 128 RAM... it was killer when it was new 🙁 ) .... Now my computer isn't worth crap, but it runs sys 8.6 (i had 9.2 on there, but it used too much RAM for the negligible advantages) just fine. It surfs the net, does web graphics, makes Quark documents, Illustrator Documents, plays (don't laugh) Star Craft, scans, prints, word processes, and it hardly ever crashes.
At my workplace (newspaper ad office) i started out using a modified G3 desktop in Jan of last year. i hated that computer. It bogged down, it crashed often. Basically i had to learn to play it like an intrument if i wanted to get my work done and go home on time. Then came the replacement: a G4 766! Sweet. This was noticably faster than the G4 300whatevers that were the "Apple" of the office's eye before. It wasn't perfect, but i got whipped that computer into a frenzy and before i knew it, i had become so efficient that instead of getting 80 hours, i was turning in between 65 and 70 in a work week. Not being a big fan of mindless web-surfing i went home instead. i got a better workstation, and i got penalized financially for it. The main difference in time saved with the new computer was primarily on one weekly document, a TV guide with about 25,000 little grid boxes in it. That's it.
And while i'm trying to put the funds together for a tibook (i've returned to school so that i can put myself in a place where i WILL need to have all the speed i can get, so portability balanced with power is my main objective) i'm having to deal with my wonderful 9600 museum piece.
But the point is that it does work. Sure the Zip drives are both death-clicked, and the floppy disk is as rare now as the common Mississippi Snipe, it doesn't have any USB support yet, just a good old-fashioned ADB keyboard with a Kensington Pro-mouse.
ON BEING A PRO
i consider myself to be a professional. Although i am a student, i believe that i carry off the projects which i'm assigned in a professional manner: i get the job done to the best of my abilities and call upon my specialized skills to find solutions to the problems i am presented. Everyone should know that tools are what we as humans use to create, but how many times have you seen one of those people who has the latest, greatest socket-set or fishing rig, or whatever and instead of putting grease on the torque-wrench or hitting the lake everyweekend to fish, that person's telling you how excited they are to get the TIVO box that they've ordered (only to be superceeded by the need for a HD TV that never gets watched because of.... ).
i admire the people who do what they do no matter what tools they have to start with. They don't sit around and make excuses like: i would do this or that if only i.... That's utter BS. Weak people surround themselves with material goods to satisfy their egos, not to accomplish tasks or goals. Strong people create and rise to greatness within themselves. If others see and recognize it, so much the better...
For all of the G4 owning my-Mac-makes-me-flacid-'cause-it's-not-the-imaginary-G5 poseurs:
i was one of the lucky people who bought a top-of-the-line 9600/300 when it was released just before the reintroduction of Steve Jobs and the G3 desktops. Months after i got my delicious machine, the G3's hit the dektops and everyone started singing Oh Halelujah!, but the truth was that my machine was comparable to the originals (at least in Pshop/Quark) because of the 128 bit 2D card that it came with... Well, then came the Yosemites, then the beautiful G4's.... and all the while i'm still using my 9600 which i payed $4000 dollars for (no monitor w an upgrade from 64 to 128 RAM... it was killer when it was new 🙁 ) .... Now my computer isn't worth crap, but it runs sys 8.6 (i had 9.2 on there, but it used too much RAM for the negligible advantages) just fine. It surfs the net, does web graphics, makes Quark documents, Illustrator Documents, plays (don't laugh) Star Craft, scans, prints, word processes, and it hardly ever crashes.
At my workplace (newspaper ad office) i started out using a modified G3 desktop in Jan of last year. i hated that computer. It bogged down, it crashed often. Basically i had to learn to play it like an intrument if i wanted to get my work done and go home on time. Then came the replacement: a G4 766! Sweet. This was noticably faster than the G4 300whatevers that were the "Apple" of the office's eye before. It wasn't perfect, but i got whipped that computer into a frenzy and before i knew it, i had become so efficient that instead of getting 80 hours, i was turning in between 65 and 70 in a work week. Not being a big fan of mindless web-surfing i went home instead. i got a better workstation, and i got penalized financially for it. The main difference in time saved with the new computer was primarily on one weekly document, a TV guide with about 25,000 little grid boxes in it. That's it.
And while i'm trying to put the funds together for a tibook (i've returned to school so that i can put myself in a place where i WILL need to have all the speed i can get, so portability balanced with power is my main objective) i'm having to deal with my wonderful 9600 museum piece.
But the point is that it does work. Sure the Zip drives are both death-clicked, and the floppy disk is as rare now as the common Mississippi Snipe, it doesn't have any USB support yet, just a good old-fashioned ADB keyboard with a Kensington Pro-mouse.
ON BEING A PRO
i consider myself to be a professional. Although i am a student, i believe that i carry off the projects which i'm assigned in a professional manner: i get the job done to the best of my abilities and call upon my specialized skills to find solutions to the problems i am presented. Everyone should know that tools are what we as humans use to create, but how many times have you seen one of those people who has the latest, greatest socket-set or fishing rig, or whatever and instead of putting grease on the torque-wrench or hitting the lake everyweekend to fish, that person's telling you how excited they are to get the TIVO box that they've ordered (only to be superceeded by the need for a HD TV that never gets watched because of.... ).
i admire the people who do what they do no matter what tools they have to start with. They don't sit around and make excuses like: i would do this or that if only i.... That's utter BS. Weak people surround themselves with material goods to satisfy their egos, not to accomplish tasks or goals. Strong people create and rise to greatness within themselves. If others see and recognize it, so much the better...
Re: Re: Funny!
They made DP 450 G4's? im sure it does what you want and very well at that, but the new iMac would destroy your computer! and yes i know the iMac screen is not realy for "pros" users "isn't"? it? <--- was that a question or what?
They made DP 450 G4's? im sure it does what you want and very well at that, but the new iMac would destroy your computer! and yes i know the iMac screen is not realy for "pros" users "isn't"? it? <--- was that a question or what?
Come on people. Why is it so wrong to want something better if you know it's available. But at the same time, I keep in mind that while we all are complaining about Apple's reluctance to introduce a better tower, we should look at the facts.
1) There are many companies working in unison inching the PC platform forward with baby steps on a daily basis. So to say PCs are faster or perform better at the moment, well that's just enevitable isn't it.
2) Whenever Apple introduces a new product into the market, it quantum leaps ANYTHING that the PC has put out for at least a couple of years.
Can anyone say iPod, Ti PowerBook, G4 with AltiVec and on and on.
Apple is not a company that inches forward, THEY LITTERALLY BLOW THE DOORS OFF THE HINGES! I'm sure they've got something cooking and we all just have to be patient. The kind of products that Apple builds take time and some serious R&D. So enough with the speculation already, let's just wait and see. Chances are you're all way off anyway. Stevie loves his surprises.
P.S. Who cares if you're a Pro or not to want a better computer is just evolution. I'm sure my children will one look back at my G7 SuperTower and think, what did they use that dinasour for?
1) There are many companies working in unison inching the PC platform forward with baby steps on a daily basis. So to say PCs are faster or perform better at the moment, well that's just enevitable isn't it.
2) Whenever Apple introduces a new product into the market, it quantum leaps ANYTHING that the PC has put out for at least a couple of years.
Can anyone say iPod, Ti PowerBook, G4 with AltiVec and on and on.
Apple is not a company that inches forward, THEY LITTERALLY BLOW THE DOORS OFF THE HINGES! I'm sure they've got something cooking and we all just have to be patient. The kind of products that Apple builds take time and some serious R&D. So enough with the speculation already, let's just wait and see. Chances are you're all way off anyway. Stevie loves his surprises.
P.S. Who cares if you're a Pro or not to want a better computer is just evolution. I'm sure my children will one look back at my G7 SuperTower and think, what did they use that dinasour for?
Re: Re: "pros" vs. pros
I make my living using my Mac. It's a 400MHz Pismo.
I don't require much more speed - but I want it.
How would a TiBook 667 help my productivity?
It probably wouldn't. I'd be using and abusing the Radeon Mobility.
M
I make my living using my Mac. It's a 400MHz Pismo.
I don't require much more speed - but I want it.
How would a TiBook 667 help my productivity?
It probably wouldn't. I'd be using and abusing the Radeon Mobility.
M
Re: Re: Funny!
Are you a "Pro"? If so, what do you do? I'm just curious as to what your claim to knowing what a "Pro" uses is.
I never said i was a pro user, and never hinted that eather. what do mean my "claims" about what a pro user uses? i am talking about the G4 and how it no longer represent "the best of the best" of an apple powermac. sure the G4 is still a kick ass chip but it is in the iMac now! and "pro" users dont want to be on the same level as "the average joe". my clame to a "pro" user is some one who need a fast machine (yes i know the G4 is still fast) however the G5 is so much more capable of "pro" perfomance than a G4 has been in the past.
It's, obviously, not video work as a G4 800DP with Final Cut Pro 3 is, currently, the cat's meow as far as "Pro" video editing desktops go. Just ask a dozen or so channels like the Discovery channels or Showtime who use FCP 2 a lot.
once again i never said i was a "pro" user, or that the G4 was a bad chip, im realy sorry for makeing you cry but the fact is the G4's day in the sun is over! the G5 will soon take its place! and yes im well wair of the G4 capability in modern "pro" apps like Final Cut Pro. yes i am awair of the popularity of FCP in the real world, and i know it is one of the best.
And if you are a "Pro", what other hardware/software outperforms the current G4's for your job... and why aren't you using it if it does!?!?!
Once again i never said i was a "pro" user. nor did i say anything about hardware/softwere that "outperfoms" a G4. Nor for that fac did i say anything about my job!
No Intel based machine has the software to do the real-time editing that FCP does on the G4. (You can thank AltiVec for that - no other single chip has the SIMD power that this thing has.)
Once again, i am awair of the G4 amazing performance in FCP , as well as the presence of the AltiVec on the chip. im not bad mouthing the G4, i am saying its days are #'ed as far as beign the best that apple has to offer. thank you for your overzelous comment on the G4 and Mac plat form, i my self use macs to you know, and i am fully awair of all the information you threw at me.
And as much as people complain about the Photoshop Bake-offs, "Pro" Photoshop users do care. "Pro's" in these fields use Photoshop and/or Final Cut Pro ALL DAY LONG. And on a G4 Mac, these "Pro's" are more productive.
So i guess you are a pro the hu? well im sure every one in this board know what a "pro" is and what they do. they NEED power for there jobs. however a "pro" is not some tittle you can just throw around and call your self just because you own a G4 and use Photoshop. I use photoshop and can do some amazing things with it, but i dont own a G4. And as far as being more productive do you think it make you that much better?
So, what "Pro" stuff do you need to do that requires more than the G4 is giving you?
*YAWN* once again i never said or even hinted that i was a pro user, or NEED something better than a G5, i stated (in the very few senteces of my post, unlike yours) that the time has come for the "pro" powermac to step up a level.
And the comment about the G4 being old is plain stuipid - there are older Ultra-Sparks and P3's in the workplace. In fact, the Pentium, being an IA-32 architecture chip, is "older" than the PowerPC.
well thank you for your opinion of me being stupid... i am fully away there are older chips in our world than the G4. However i never even talked about a pentium or the PPC being older. you "information" is very OLD EVERYONE knows this! and we dont need loud mouth posters like you to regergitate information you a have read! throwing it in our face trying to come off as some one "inteligent".
The only thing Apple had better do soon is get DDR RAM - from what I've read, that is such a bottleneck for AltiVec it's disgusting. (Which makes you wonder how fast it would crunch bits with DDR!)
Well it apears we can agree on something, YES the G5 will have DDR-RAM! and ye apple needs faster ram in there "pro" end towers.
look.... i dont know why you insited on disecting my post. that was VERY short and NEVER talked about any thing you where blabing on about. th efact is my post was this:
"what a load of crap! anything for some site hits hu? lol
any way face the facts, the G4 is old and is no longer "Pro" material! no more g4 towers the iMac has G4 "pros" want better! A.K.A G5
(my guess is in tokyo!)"
how on earth you got all that from just thes 3 lines is beyond me. however im sure the information you posed will benifit someone in the future.
lets stop these so called flame wars and all live in civilized descutions, especaily after 9-11
-PEACE!
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Are you a "Pro"? If so, what do you do? I'm just curious as to what your claim to knowing what a "Pro" uses is.
I never said i was a pro user, and never hinted that eather. what do mean my "claims" about what a pro user uses? i am talking about the G4 and how it no longer represent "the best of the best" of an apple powermac. sure the G4 is still a kick ass chip but it is in the iMac now! and "pro" users dont want to be on the same level as "the average joe". my clame to a "pro" user is some one who need a fast machine (yes i know the G4 is still fast) however the G5 is so much more capable of "pro" perfomance than a G4 has been in the past.
It's, obviously, not video work as a G4 800DP with Final Cut Pro 3 is, currently, the cat's meow as far as "Pro" video editing desktops go. Just ask a dozen or so channels like the Discovery channels or Showtime who use FCP 2 a lot.
once again i never said i was a "pro" user, or that the G4 was a bad chip, im realy sorry for makeing you cry but the fact is the G4's day in the sun is over! the G5 will soon take its place! and yes im well wair of the G4 capability in modern "pro" apps like Final Cut Pro. yes i am awair of the popularity of FCP in the real world, and i know it is one of the best.
And if you are a "Pro", what other hardware/software outperforms the current G4's for your job... and why aren't you using it if it does!?!?!
Once again i never said i was a "pro" user. nor did i say anything about hardware/softwere that "outperfoms" a G4. Nor for that fac did i say anything about my job!
No Intel based machine has the software to do the real-time editing that FCP does on the G4. (You can thank AltiVec for that - no other single chip has the SIMD power that this thing has.)
Once again, i am awair of the G4 amazing performance in FCP , as well as the presence of the AltiVec on the chip. im not bad mouthing the G4, i am saying its days are #'ed as far as beign the best that apple has to offer. thank you for your overzelous comment on the G4 and Mac plat form, i my self use macs to you know, and i am fully awair of all the information you threw at me.
And as much as people complain about the Photoshop Bake-offs, "Pro" Photoshop users do care. "Pro's" in these fields use Photoshop and/or Final Cut Pro ALL DAY LONG. And on a G4 Mac, these "Pro's" are more productive.
So i guess you are a pro the hu? well im sure every one in this board know what a "pro" is and what they do. they NEED power for there jobs. however a "pro" is not some tittle you can just throw around and call your self just because you own a G4 and use Photoshop. I use photoshop and can do some amazing things with it, but i dont own a G4. And as far as being more productive do you think it make you that much better?
So, what "Pro" stuff do you need to do that requires more than the G4 is giving you?
*YAWN* once again i never said or even hinted that i was a pro user, or NEED something better than a G5, i stated (in the very few senteces of my post, unlike yours) that the time has come for the "pro" powermac to step up a level.
And the comment about the G4 being old is plain stuipid - there are older Ultra-Sparks and P3's in the workplace. In fact, the Pentium, being an IA-32 architecture chip, is "older" than the PowerPC.
well thank you for your opinion of me being stupid... i am fully away there are older chips in our world than the G4. However i never even talked about a pentium or the PPC being older. you "information" is very OLD EVERYONE knows this! and we dont need loud mouth posters like you to regergitate information you a have read! throwing it in our face trying to come off as some one "inteligent".
The only thing Apple had better do soon is get DDR RAM - from what I've read, that is such a bottleneck for AltiVec it's disgusting. (Which makes you wonder how fast it would crunch bits with DDR!)
Well it apears we can agree on something, YES the G5 will have DDR-RAM! and ye apple needs faster ram in there "pro" end towers.
look.... i dont know why you insited on disecting my post. that was VERY short and NEVER talked about any thing you where blabing on about. th efact is my post was this:
"what a load of crap! anything for some site hits hu? lol
any way face the facts, the G4 is old and is no longer "Pro" material! no more g4 towers the iMac has G4 "pros" want better! A.K.A G5
(my guess is in tokyo!)"
how on earth you got all that from just thes 3 lines is beyond me. however im sure the information you posed will benifit someone in the future.
lets stop these so called flame wars and all live in civilized descutions, especaily after 9-11
-PEACE!
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This just in.... from http://www.macosrumors.com
"Several of our oldest Apple sources have come forward to confirm that Apple will indeed be releasing PowerMacs in the near future -- although the exact date is a mystery even to most insiders. Among the confirmed details are nVIDIA GeForce4 graphics accelerators in high-end models, faster hard disks (although size changes will be minimal, if any), no new memory subsystem (DDR SDRAM will wait for the G5, slated for Macworld New York, apparently, and will be 200MHz+ real clock, 400MHz+ effective clock)....and a greatly expanded preloaded software inventory to coincide with the introduction of OS X as the default operating system.
As for processor speeds, the sources uniformly reported 933MHz, 1GHz, and 1.13GHz as their expectations, but were hesitant to describe their information as 'confirmed'. 1.13GHz is known to be the ceiling for the current crop of Apollo G4 processors, but the low-end is less certain; Apple wants there to be a MHz gap between the high-end G4 iMac and the low-end PMG4, but 866MHz would serve this nearly as well.
No clear predictions were made in this arena, but it stands to reason that the mid-range processor, at 1GHz, would be used in a dual-processor model, making the lineup more accurately 866-933MHz for the entry-level PMG4, 1.13GHz for the mid-range model, and Dual 1GHz for the high-end. Very impressive indeed -- if accurate, we won't have to wait long to find out.
While we're on the subject, if any retailers out there want to more or less bribe us to promote them shameless at every opportunity, an advance promise of one of the new dual-processor PowerMacs would certainly do the trick ;-)
More updates this evening, including a very interesting reader report about suspicious activity at certain Apple Stores..... "
Cool. 1.13Ghz. Wish I could fast forward time and end this long wait.
"Several of our oldest Apple sources have come forward to confirm that Apple will indeed be releasing PowerMacs in the near future -- although the exact date is a mystery even to most insiders. Among the confirmed details are nVIDIA GeForce4 graphics accelerators in high-end models, faster hard disks (although size changes will be minimal, if any), no new memory subsystem (DDR SDRAM will wait for the G5, slated for Macworld New York, apparently, and will be 200MHz+ real clock, 400MHz+ effective clock)....and a greatly expanded preloaded software inventory to coincide with the introduction of OS X as the default operating system.
As for processor speeds, the sources uniformly reported 933MHz, 1GHz, and 1.13GHz as their expectations, but were hesitant to describe their information as 'confirmed'. 1.13GHz is known to be the ceiling for the current crop of Apollo G4 processors, but the low-end is less certain; Apple wants there to be a MHz gap between the high-end G4 iMac and the low-end PMG4, but 866MHz would serve this nearly as well.
No clear predictions were made in this arena, but it stands to reason that the mid-range processor, at 1GHz, would be used in a dual-processor model, making the lineup more accurately 866-933MHz for the entry-level PMG4, 1.13GHz for the mid-range model, and Dual 1GHz for the high-end. Very impressive indeed -- if accurate, we won't have to wait long to find out.
While we're on the subject, if any retailers out there want to more or less bribe us to promote them shameless at every opportunity, an advance promise of one of the new dual-processor PowerMacs would certainly do the trick ;-)
More updates this evening, including a very interesting reader report about suspicious activity at certain Apple Stores..... "
Cool. 1.13Ghz. Wish I could fast forward time and end this long wait.
Hemingray
macrumors 68030
Re: Moron?
I'm sorry I called you a moron. But if you wannt be technical, ANY rumor can be made up "by a three year old". Really, we can't pick and choose our rumors! A rumor's a rumor, as credible or incredible as it may be. I don't think we have any right to say what MacRumors should or shouldn't post, as long as it's a Rumor and it's related to the Mac. Right?
I'm sorry I called you a moron. But if you wannt be technical, ANY rumor can be made up "by a three year old". Really, we can't pick and choose our rumors! A rumor's a rumor, as credible or incredible as it may be. I don't think we have any right to say what MacRumors should or shouldn't post, as long as it's a Rumor and it's related to the Mac. Right?