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tomorrow decides

Depending on what power macs come out of apple, ill either keep my 500mhz iBook and build a cheap wintel, or sell my iBook for $1000 and put the $ towards a new super fast power mac that can run VPC and windows (any version 98SE or later) quick enough for me to use AutoCAD, Matlab, and a bunch of other stuff im going to need for school. I just can't keep using friends computers for homework but ill never stick myself with just a wintel. I need to have a mac at all times, but id much rather have one computer than two, although i love my ibook.
 
i hope they do release the new pmacs tomorrow, but i was hoping for single processor macs with better speeds...
meh cant always get wha u want ;)
but the price for the dual macs are a lil too much, if those are actually the prices, i'll get a pmac 933 mzh puter probably...
 
Originally posted by DannyZR2
I thought there were 533mhz FSB's out there.. My friend just bought one!

Quad-pumped 133 FSB. The "old" P4 had a 4x100 MHz FSB, now the new Celeron will. RAMBUS is Quad-pumped too. I had a 1.6 P4 at work with RDRAM, and it was SLOW. And it sucked. Notice most chipsets have DDR support now instead. RDRAM is supposed to be SO much faster. The 2.53 is supposed to finally compensate for the P4s crappy architecture.

AMD uses a DDR FSB. 133 x 2 for their Athlons, 100 x 2 for Durons.

Now if Apple used a 166 FSB (which the G4 is capable of BTW), esp with 333 DDR Ram support, I'd be genuinely impressed. On some things it'd be really screaming. But the IBM G3 is capable of a 200 MHz FSB!!!

Even if they have to do a hack job to add DDR like with the xServe, it'll be worth it. If DDR can speed up a Celeron, and I've seen it do so first hand, it'll help the Starving-For-Bandwidth G4s.

So to answer yer question... yes. Kinda. But not really.

So then... no. I guess.
 
How is everyone so sure the current apollos are starving for bandwidth???

Did you see the ddr xserve vs. powermac test?? ddr did nothing!
 
Twas the night before new stuff...

Twas the night before new stuff, and all through the 'net
not a Machead was stirring: their appetites whet.
Their fingers were crossed - "A QUICKER NEW BUS!"
"AND FASTER AND SNAPPIER G4s FOR US!"

The faithful were restless and tossing in bed,
while visions of DDR danced in their heads.
Steve in his turtleneck and Phil in his tie,
had zippy new Macs for their slick GUI.

When all of a sudden their 'rose such a clatter,
"If it ain't 10 GHz, then what does it matter????"
Away to MacRumors they flew like a flash,
updated their pages and refreshed their cache.

"There need to be G4s so fast that they glow!"
2 GHz, well then, the answer is "No."
Does that mean that these G4s will not be fast?
Put your worries to rest, cause a Mac's built to last.

With a G4 in reach for at home or at school,
the Pro line needs speed so they'll all be a dual.
Have you ever heard of a Jaguar that's tame?
Intel is clocked higher. But XP, that's lame!

Now DUAL! Now DDR! OS X fixin'!
On iSync! On iCal! On iTunes for mixin'!
In the sound studio, on the Hollywood stage,
enough to make Bill Gates cry out in a rage!

As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly,
Apple can do anything (prefaced with "i")
So to the Apple Store deal hunters flew,
to get a Quicksilver that used to be new.

And then in a second they heard on the Net:
"Love my new G4, best PowerMac yet!"
"My dual is awesome, it cannot be beat!"
"The most powerful DV box found on the street!"

The OS was elegant, stable, and hot,
As long as a "2" was what followed the "dot".
One Hundred and Fifty new features abound,
and every letter and number was round.

The icons, they sparkled. Intuitive? VERY!
And never again would networking be hairy.
Jaguar was finished and ready to go,
and multiprocessing Macs stole the show.

The users that demand a 2gig processor,
will think of the G4 as Pentium's lessor.
As for what 1.2 G4s will cream:
Anything current that Intel can dream.

The masses have been trained to look at the clock,
so they think that Wintel's the best on the block.
But those in the know can see through this deception;
they've been following Apple and Mac since inception.

No big announcement will splash in the news,
yet Mac faithful will rise up out of their pews.
For speed bumps are only one plus among many,
With 10.2 these new Macs will be uncanny,

The stage is all set as the rumors die down,
and the brand new G4 glides soft into town.
The faithful might yell, might put up a fuss,
and still love their dual with DDR bus.

Sleep well all,

RL
 
Re: Twas the night before new stuff...

Wow. Spoken like a true Mac user. Great work.
And in just a few short hours we'll see. (Hope Hope)

....defenetly restless and tossing in bed :)
 
Originally posted by Cappy


That would be a rambus based P4 system. The frontside bus is really running at 133 but intel does this funky quad pumped routine to get 533 out of it. I don't know the technical details of it but I'm sure someone else here does. :)

the Pentium 4's FSB is independent of the memory subsystem.

(hence it wouldn't strictly be a P4 with RDram)
 
Re: Re: Twas the night before new stuff...

Originally posted by cyks
Wow. Spoken like a true Mac user. Great work.
And in just a few short hours we'll see. (Hope Hope)

....defenetly restless and tossing in bed :)

Arn't we all forgetting something? Processors are one thing, but NEW ENCLOSURES anyone? New displays. That's pretty exciting too. Not only would your Quicksilvers be SO obsolete (at least 8 WHOLE MONTHS OLD), but the new ones will look soooo tasty.

Gimme one (or duel-ones)

my two pounds...
 
RogueLdr

RogueLdr

thats was wonderful :D
I've never seen anything like
that on these boards.

thanks ;)
 
Well, to me, an only dual strategy means that since even Apple thinks their processors are so stinkly sloooow, the only way to release competitive products was to add 2 of them in a machine.

Now, of course, we will not be able to fairly compare new dual Macs with new single PCs. Probably Steve is hoping not too many dual to dual comparisons are made, though...
 
BooOOO!!
What the hell is this? Is it guna take forever to get these things up to speed?
Im gunna wait until the whole line up is above 1.25 GHZ.
:(
I'm pissed
 
Originally posted by iwantanewmac
BooOOO!!
What the hell is this? Is it guna take forever to get these things up to speed?
Im gunna wait until the whole line up is above 1.25 GHZ.
:(
I'm pissed

I think I'm with you, I have a 500 G4 PM, and a 500 TiBook. Of course would like to upgrade, but I think I have to wait for the next generation models, be that the 'G5' or whatever, but more than a speedbump.

Keep refreshing people!
 
Check the fine print:

Originally posted by xample
Hey !

Check this http://flymilesmicro.com/browse_by_brand.html?BRAND_ID=199&CATEGORY_ID=12

They sell them already !:rolleyes:



Click-through on each of them. Not surprizingly, they're all on Back Order.

However, there's following interesting tidbits. First:

1.25GHz: Manufacture #: (none listed)
1.00GHz: Manufacture #: M8689LL/A
0.87GHz: Manufacture #: M8787LL/A

Next, in the comment field:

1.25GHz: "Stock is expected next month. Orders will be filled as soon as Apple can ship adequate supply. Place your order soon for the quickest delivery."

1.00GHz: "Stock is expected in three to four weeks...."

867mHz: "Stock is expected in two weeks..."


Sounds to me like the actual speed of the top machine has been on close hold.


-hh
 
Re: OH **** !!!!

Originally posted by cyberfunk
I was just talking on the phone with the Apple store, and bla blah blah, and then out of the blue, casually, I asked what time tomorrow I could order the new macs, and she said around 2 PM EST, then I heard her say, OH **** under her breath, and I was promptly hung up upon.

sounds good to me !!!

The Apple Store went down at 8 AM ET today. The note on the web page says We'll be back soon. We are busy updating the store for you and will be back within the hour.

So, either Apple is a liar, or Cyberfunk is. (Why would Apple wait until 2PM ET to take orders for the new Mac?)
 
Originally posted by Chryx


the Pentium 4's FSB is independent of the memory subsystem.

(hence it wouldn't strictly be a P4 with RDram)

Ah...you're correct and I knew that. Not sure what I was thinking when I posted that. Must'a been lack of sleep or something. Thanks for the correction.
 
apple store being updated .... well even though I was skeptical we were getting anything at all today, it looks like something is going on.... (it is 8:30am EST).
 
Originally posted by gandalf55
man... we need better speeds than this.

I second that...

though making the entire memory subsystem 250Mhz Sram would probably be valid compensation for the lagging clockspeeds :)

* waits impatiently for Apple to use the new IBM PPC-64 chip *
 
RogueLdr
Twas the night before new stuff...


That's a cool read.


As I stated in an earlier post, if they are introducing new PowerMacs it'll be by 9:30-10:00am eastern. Apple has always posted the press release updates before the trading floors open in hopes of spurring the stock price.

They are on the Apple Online Store at ~8:30am eastern.

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