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PowerMacs and PowerBooks Delays?
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mxpiazza
macrumors 6502a
well, this just soldifies my decision to sell my 12" and buy a 15"...
although i must say that the first revision of powermac g5's went off without a technological hitch, i'm not so sure that the powerbook g5's will switch to a g5 as fluidly... i WILL be the first in line for the rev. b g5 pb, i can tell you that.
although i must say that the first revision of powermac g5's went off without a technological hitch, i'm not so sure that the powerbook g5's will switch to a g5 as fluidly... i WILL be the first in line for the rev. b g5 pb, i can tell you that.
opps... 65nm it is and the newbie thing... just out of these time-wasting forums-while-you-wait threads for a long time. Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the info I just think there are other things to do on/about this planet... balance! Not faking it.
Naimfan
Suspended
PB delays
I'd be surprised if PBs next revision came out with a G5, unless there are no revisions to the PB line until MWSF. That seems to be an untenable retail position. Combining Apple's statement that "It will be a while..." until the G5 goes into the PB, and the fact that PBs are due for some sort of update, isn't the most likely scenario an updated G4, with faster HD and a better graphics card? I understand the line of reasoning that says the 970FX is much cooler running than the 970, and is cooler than or equal to the G4, but there may well be other heat issues on the motherboard or elsewhere that make it difficult for Apple to engineer into a PB. Until Apple either comments on that or brings out new PBs we won't know.
I've said elsewhere that I'd buy a 15" 1.4/1.5 GHz G4 if it's priced around or below where it is now. As a student, I can buy the 15" 1.25 GHz for $2299, which strikes me as about right relative to the Wintel laptops I've seen (which are all hideous). The only thing stopping me from ordering one with the single 512 meg stick of RAM and the faster HD is that some sort of update seems imminent.....and my Pismo is still OK.
So the report of delays bums me out some, but not entirely. Better Apple get right whatever update is coming, than to rush them out complete with defects.
Best,
Bob
I'd be surprised if PBs next revision came out with a G5, unless there are no revisions to the PB line until MWSF. That seems to be an untenable retail position. Combining Apple's statement that "It will be a while..." until the G5 goes into the PB, and the fact that PBs are due for some sort of update, isn't the most likely scenario an updated G4, with faster HD and a better graphics card? I understand the line of reasoning that says the 970FX is much cooler running than the 970, and is cooler than or equal to the G4, but there may well be other heat issues on the motherboard or elsewhere that make it difficult for Apple to engineer into a PB. Until Apple either comments on that or brings out new PBs we won't know.
I've said elsewhere that I'd buy a 15" 1.4/1.5 GHz G4 if it's priced around or below where it is now. As a student, I can buy the 15" 1.25 GHz for $2299, which strikes me as about right relative to the Wintel laptops I've seen (which are all hideous). The only thing stopping me from ordering one with the single 512 meg stick of RAM and the faster HD is that some sort of update seems imminent.....and my Pismo is still OK.
So the report of delays bums me out some, but not entirely. Better Apple get right whatever update is coming, than to rush them out complete with defects.
Best,
Bob
Not PCI-XGaffa Bug said:
PCI-Express x16
Well could be, but ATI has allready finished the cards (native x16 PCI-Express), it might be because there isnt enough cards.
There will be no updates until 3 GHz this summer. Remember, we no longer have a G4 processor here, so every incremental speed bump like before does not matter anymore. I would not be surprised by once a year powermac updates as a norm. Until they get stuck at 5 GHz for 3 years.
BenRoethig
macrumors 68030
army_guy said:
I would like to see this. I think it would be a great PR boost for Apple to be a early adopter of PCI-express.
swissmann
macrumors 6502a
GigaWire said:
I've posted this same idea before. Steve promised 3 GHz at the time of the 2 GHz release. I think he will ride this promise. Of course watch me be wrong tomorrow. After all tomorrow is Tuesday and there are always updates on Tuesday from Apple. (Someone had to say it). 😉
MacFan25
macrumors 68000
I'm wondering if the new Powerbooks will have the G4 or G5 in them. I certainly hope that they will have the G5 but, who knows...
Didn't Steve Jobs say at MWSF that they had trouble trying to cool the G5 Xserves? Which use the 90nm G5?
So I'd think that it would be even worse heat in a Powerbook...
Didn't Steve Jobs say at MWSF that they had trouble trying to cool the G5 Xserves? Which use the 90nm G5?
So I'd think that it would be even worse heat in a Powerbook...
BenRoethig said:
Then again I dont think the MAC games market is that strong to justify a move to PCI-Express, more likely it will be the pro-level video editing market that will utilise PCI-Express.
For those of you who didn't actually read the AI article.. here's an interesting tidbit.
That said, I do wish they'd only release a PM once they hit 3GHz. They save money by not using R&D on an upgrade machine, and support because by now they know all issues with the G5s.
Previous rumors have suggested an all-dual processor lineup for the new Power Mac G5s, which will reportedly be accompanied by long overdue revisions to the Cinema display product line. The second generation Power Mac G5s may also accompany up to a terabyte of hard disk space, according to one report.
That said, I do wish they'd only release a PM once they hit 3GHz. They save money by not using R&D on an upgrade machine, and support because by now they know all issues with the G5s.
Mord
macrumors G4
lasuther said:
g5 chips run cooler than g4's at equal clock rate I hate the way that people say that g5's are so hot when they are not the origional 970 was a bit much at 50 watts but the P4 presscot consumes 100 (roughly)
Dose anyone know what ran at a higher temperature the wind tunnel mdd's or the g5's i would suspect the mdd'd run at a higher temp.
Not all heat problems in a mac are to do with the processor it is a combination of things like the ghrapics card the HD's and all the other things (the motherboard generates a fair bit with that 1ghz system bus)
with a 400mhz system bus 1.6ghz 970fx processors and a radeon 9600/9700
and for those people complaining about why the new g5's are having heat problems it is because apple will push the clock rate up as high as it is safe to do so, after doing that the heat produced should be about the same as the old ones. ether apple isent geting the speed they want or other components are to blaim like that short supply of ati cards as highligted in the original artical.
Naimfan said:
So I couldn't take it anymore. I figured that the 10 day period would cover me for updates this week and next but even if they dont come it is well worth it for me. I need a new laptop and could not wait to switch from the prison known as windows. I ordered a new 1.25 15" PB with 1 gig ram this morning along with a new blue ipod mini 😀 . I dont really need the extra power if an update comes and I got a great deal with the developer program too. It was great to see this rumor come out too, made my decision seem more reasonable. Now Apple really has a reason to update though, they have my $$ already. To all those that can wait, good luck with the waiting and rumor watching. To those that need one, just order one, if you dont need a G5 then there really is no reason to wait for the next update. Just my opinion. 😎
Stevo
fixyourthinking
macrumors 6502a
Cooling issues remain for this revision
With prices for chips being $279 each to Apple - and much greater costs to integrate (with most likely liquid cooling or some other advanced cooling system) I doubt we'd see dual processor laptops for a long time (even in a G4 PowerBook or LCD iMac G4 iteration)
Also, I think the hold up for the PowerMac revision is the fact that a lot of users were REALLY disappointed that there wasn't a second optical/storage/connection bay - It would be my best guess that Apple will release a PowerMac G5 with the dual bays - there is significant cooling issues with that implementation.
gorkonapple said:
With prices for chips being $279 each to Apple - and much greater costs to integrate (with most likely liquid cooling or some other advanced cooling system) I doubt we'd see dual processor laptops for a long time (even in a G4 PowerBook or LCD iMac G4 iteration)
Also, I think the hold up for the PowerMac revision is the fact that a lot of users were REALLY disappointed that there wasn't a second optical/storage/connection bay - It would be my best guess that Apple will release a PowerMac G5 with the dual bays - there is significant cooling issues with that implementation.
TOO Hot! - Cause the 980 is being used
thought i'd throw out the optimistic predictions... these are just guesses (rumors) 🙂 so give it a break
they released the 970fx 8 months or more ahead of schedule, perhaps they have the 980 ready to go..
1) people or are waitting for the 3ghz as promised by steve
2) 970fx chip are being used extensively in xserves, currently unavailable to us because they are going to mac supercomputers around the world (hopefull guess)
3) when production steps up and video cards fall in line, the new powerbooks g5 with 970fx's
4) the new g6 or g5+ will include bluetooth and wireless keyboard and mouse and of couse the new stylish lcd (tv's) monitors
these are just guesses, what are yours?
-mike 😛
thought i'd throw out the optimistic predictions... these are just guesses (rumors) 🙂 so give it a break
they released the 970fx 8 months or more ahead of schedule, perhaps they have the 980 ready to go..
1) people or are waitting for the 3ghz as promised by steve
2) 970fx chip are being used extensively in xserves, currently unavailable to us because they are going to mac supercomputers around the world (hopefull guess)
3) when production steps up and video cards fall in line, the new powerbooks g5 with 970fx's
4) the new g6 or g5+ will include bluetooth and wireless keyboard and mouse and of couse the new stylish lcd (tv's) monitors
these are just guesses, what are yours?
-mike 😛
Aha! So what we discussed in this thread now has some backing!
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/60916/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/60916/
Ge4-ce
macrumors regular
clr900 said:
I know how you're feeling dude.. I have the money ready.. Just about 5000 to spend on a high-end Powermac with a 23" display.. have waited a very long time for this..
The frustrations are getting harder and harder
I hit the reload button of Apple's website 20 times a second every monday and tuesday at 9am and 10am..
I'm GOING NUTS!!
What will be the real waiting period?
Does anybody honestly know how long apple takes to ship these suckers out? If they really were to release updated G5s at the end of March, how long would it be until we could buy, ship, and then get delivered these fairy tale PMs? Cause if the answer is: Three months after they're announced, it will arrive at your door- then somebody had ought to contact Amnesty International over this torture.
Jonesing for a PowerMac, but playing chicken with Steve Jobs...
-Soire
Does anybody honestly know how long apple takes to ship these suckers out? If they really were to release updated G5s at the end of March, how long would it be until we could buy, ship, and then get delivered these fairy tale PMs? Cause if the answer is: Three months after they're announced, it will arrive at your door- then somebody had ought to contact Amnesty International over this torture.
Jonesing for a PowerMac, but playing chicken with Steve Jobs...
-Soire
HiRez
macrumors 603
I think we're "stuck" with the G5 for a long time, probably several years. Last I heard IBM was expecting the G5 to scale to at least 5 GHz, so that kills a lot of time for Apple if need be. Not that it's such a bad thing, if IBM can keep steadily ramping speeds and Apple can get the chips to work in an actual product.DrGruv1 said:
I'm really hoping this next update includes a dualie at the low end. If they could come up with a dual 1.8 for around $2,000 I'd be all over that. That would keep me happy until the 5.0 G6's show up in 2006. Hopefully the prices for the Radeon 9800 Pros are going to come down too. You have to really really want one right now to justify the extra $400-$500.
johnnyjibbs
macrumors 68030
I think this is just one of those inevitable rumours. There have been no updates and it's now March, so it's time for the "PowerBook and PowerMac delay" rumours - just stating the obvious, with some cock and bull story about heat issues to justify it.
I don't see how Apple could continue selling a laptop that is seven or eight months old with no price reduction and no upgrades. If the Powerbook delays have some truth to them, I think we'll see a price drop.
Frobozz
macrumors 65816
army_guy said:
I can see Apple releasing dual 2.5 GHz G5's with a standard 9800XT. The future ATI chips, I would guess, would come as either BTO when they are available, or as standard parts on the high end 3rd generation G5 PowerMac's.
So what's your take on the PowerMac updates? Think we'll get them late this month? I think either way I will wait until the dual 3.0 GHz+ revision is out. I have a sweet DP 1Ghz Quicksilver and it's still VERY usable. To be honest, the only reason I'd see to update would be for cutting edge games and for 3D modelling (I do a lot of both.)
TranceClubMusic
macrumors regular
UofI MacConvert said:
I agree! I stopped waiting and just got a great deal on the disontinued G5 1.8 - and I LOVE it!!!!!! No more waiting - and even if and when the New Revision B G%'s come out - they wont be "that much" faster then what I have!