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Developer's conference...

As mentioned earlier, this is a developer's conference and NOT the Expo. As such, does it make more sense to introduce faster versions of a machine already in production (PM G5), or announce a new product that will have developers reconsidering the development of software for a particular market (iMac G5)? This is not a rhetorical question; I really want to hear opinions on both sides.

Consider this: look where Jobs chose to introduce AirPort Express.
 
alexf said:
I think that there will probably be new Power Macs announced before the WWDC, but they will not be 3 GHz. Just my intuition, for what it's worth...

If they are not 3GHz, would anyone really buy one before WWDC?
 
This would make sense...

Announce the RevB models tomorrow (2.2 - 2.6) and then at WWDC introduce a 3GHz model shipping in August or September.
 
SeanMcg said:
As mentioned earlier, this is a developer's conference and NOT the Expo. As such, does it make more sense to introduce faster versions of a machine already in production (PM G5), or announce a new product that will have developers reconsidering the development of software for a particular market (iMac G5)? This is not a rhetorical question; I really want to hear opinions on both sides.

Consider this: look where Jobs chose to introduce AirPort Express.

Widening the market for the G5 with the iMac is what developers want to hear. Give them a reason to exploit the G5, which is basically a paper tiger at this point. We need software to take advantage of this beast.
 
micvog said:
Not if they don't reach 3.0GHz... Steve may want to avoid the subject and focus on Tiger and the G5 iMacs.

Anyone else feel that the powerbooks are going to look pretty sad if the "consumer" iMac has a G5 and the "professional" powerbook doesn't?
 
ZildjianKX said:
Anyone else feel that the powerbooks are going to look pretty sad if the "consumer" iMac has a G5 and the "professional" powerbook doesn't?

Not really, considering one is a desktop and the other is a laptop.
 
ZildjianKX said:
Anyone else feel that the powerbooks are going to look pretty sad if the "consumer" iMac has a G5 and the "professional" powerbook doesn't?

As a PRO only user I would cry!
 
itsa said:
As a PRO only user I would cry!
Then get a imac :D I see no correlation between desktops and laps, laps have to be lower power devices period and a desktop shouldnt be handicapped as imac has been the past 2 years simply for some darn laptop. sorry :cool:
 
Dont Hurt Me said:
Then get a imac :D I see no correlation between desktops and laps, laps have to be lower power devices period and a desktop shouldnt be handicapped as imac has been the past 2 years simply for some darn laptop. sorry :cool:


And what? carry it around by it's neck? :)
 
The powermacs should be release when they are ready, and if that's tomorrow, then tomorrow it is. It's probably not a major update, so they don't need a super spotlight on it. Something like the future G6, G5 iMac, or G5 powerbook would deserve a big announcement.
 
ZildjianKX said:
Anyone else feel that the powerbooks are going to look pretty sad if the "consumer" iMac has a G5 and the "professional" powerbook doesn't?

No, I think the notion of professional and consumer is assinine. Apple should be marketing the best available product they can in each product line. Bring on the iMac G5. The PowerBook will get it when technically feasible.
 
ZildjianKX said:
Anyone else feel that the powerbooks are going to look pretty sad if the "consumer" iMac has a G5 and the "professional" powerbook doesn't?

It would incredibly stupid if Apple waited until the G5PB is ready. BTW, with its price tag, the iMac is hardly a consumer machine.
 
invaLPsion said:
Announce the RevB models tomorrow (2.2 - 2.6) and then at WWDC introduce a 3GHz model shipping in August or September.

Yep, I guess we know what One More Thing™ is going to be.
 
rdowns said:
If true, seems like a G5 iMac is a sure thing for WWDC. He needs some exciting hardware to announce. New displays just won't cut it nor will an iPod related announcement.

Yes, nice to dream about, but iMacs are consumer models, not pro. WWDC is a pro event.
 
If updates are tomorrow

and if 3Ghz are not announced tomorrow, and if Steve hopes to save face, the updates tomorrow will be shipping immediately and Steve, on the last tuesday of summer, will announce 3Ghz machines, shipping around Christmas (in volume).

That's the crystal ball's 2 cents...

Crystal ball powered by Intel, so ymmv.
 
zedwards said:
Yes, nice to dream about, but iMacs are consumer models, not pro. WWDC is a pro event.
may be a pro event but who the heck do you think buys all that software? consumers! what better reason to get them off their behinds and start writing G5 apps.
 
powermacs tomorrow mean something totally new at WWDC. new model imac perhaps. if there release a PB G5 i am going to each my brand new G4
 
invaLPsion said:
Announce the RevB models tomorrow (2.2 - 2.6) and then at WWDC introduce a 3GHz model shipping in August or September.

To me that would make no sense. Talk about shooting a new product in the back only weeks after it is released.....
 
DGFan said:
To me that would make no sense. Talk about shooting a new product in the back only weeks after it is released.....

that's not shooting it in the back.. it would be a supplement, if dell releases new workstations with 2.8 ghz, and a month later announces the 3.0 ghz with a new processor, that would be shooting in the back too? It has a word.. 'evolution'

if i would buy a 2.8 which I'm gonna do :), then i will not feel any negative feelings about the release of that 3.0, it's just the way technological evolution works..
 
itsa said:
If they are not 3GHz, would anyone really buy one before WWDC?

Of course people would buy them, especially since it will then be obvious that it will be some time before the 3 GHz models are introduced (Apple would of course not introduce two Power Mac upgrades within a month of each other).

And why this incessant 3 GHz obsession anyway? Yes, Jobs did promise, but people here really seem to be acting like little children, screaming: "But you promised!"

Has anyone here every used a dual 2 GHz G5? Trust me, these machines have much more speed and power than 99% of the people clamoring for Jobs to keep his 3 GHz promise really need...
 
dopefiend said:
Not really, considering one is a desktop and the other is a laptop.

And consider that a non-pro line product now has a pro feature that the pro laptops do not and will doubtlessly kick the snot out of the pro line of laptops which IMHO should never occur on ANY base line system be it desktop or laptop. Laptops should be a form factor not an excuse for a slow system. I agree with ZildjianKX its going to look pathetic on Apple's part. They may have technical hurtles as rdowns suggests and might not have any choice in the matter but it still doesn't change the fact that this is going to further make the PowerBooks look like souring grapes on the vine.

Hey rdowns. So you have the inside scoop on apple development huh? I mean you sound so authoritative on the subject of how its not "technically feasible".
 
Thank you Alex F

Needed a laugh - this comment was hysterical! :p


itsa said:
He can do that from any room now! :)

[regarding Steve Jobs Facing the music for NOT hitting the 3gig speed mark]
 
alexf said:
And why this incessant 3 GHz obsession anyway? Yes, Jobs did promise, but people here really seem to be acting like little children, screaming: "But you promised!"

*raises hands to the heavens* Because its the Word of Jobs and lo the Word is holy, and righteous, and pious, and other religious stuff. And lo Jobs came down from the mount and spewed forth G5 at 3Ghz and truly the masses believe and thus it was written the world over on boards of electricity that Jobs will give us G5 3Ghz before the end of the following summer and it shall be so. Amen.
:rolleyes:

*runs for cover* Someone is sooo going to club by four me. :p
 
Wonder Boy said:
i hope im right when i say "no way". rev b g5s are a big deal. steve wont let the announcement pass with little to no fanfare.

I disagree. Even at 3 GHz they are not a huge deal. At least not nearly as big a deal as getting the G5 into another Mac line (ie, the iMac). Two things lend a lot of credence to this rumor as far as I am concerned.

1) They announced the AiportExpress on a Monday. Not Apple's usual day for announcements, make me think something else is on tap for tomorrow.

2) Next weeks, big announcements is going to be iTMS Europe, that can easily carry Apple until WWDC starts as far as big announcements.

I hope they are announced tomorrow because means that something huge is coming at WWDC!
 
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