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Spent all day on the Tibook writing a program to plot wifi signal strength with GPS data for use with QGIS. Sadly QGIS is too much for this laptop, but it works on the Air, so I was able to test it that way. I've wanted a simple tool like this for years.
 
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Well not doing the PPC challenge, but using a very old Imac from 2004 while i am locked in my room as i just returned from a trip to Hong Kong, awaiting results of my test... :(

Its been 7 days now, isolated.. took to installing windows 7 on the backside of this Intel imac, and i must say the performance for games difference is night and day. hardly able to run L4D2, to being able to run it quite easily.
anyways, been stuck playing old games. The only reason i initially installed windows 7 was because the GoG client doesn't work on Sierra. :(
 
Well not doing the PPC challenge, but using a very old Imac from 2004 while i am locked in my room as i just returned from a trip to Hong Kong, awaiting results of my test... :(

Its been 7 days now, isolated.. took to installing windows 7 on the backside of this Intel imac, and i must say the performance for games difference is night and day. hardly able to run L4D2, to being able to run it quite easily.
anyways, been stuck playing old games. The only reason i initially installed windows 7 was because the GoG client doesn't work on Sierra. :(
I wish you the best with the test! I want to figure out how to stick Windows 10 on my 2009 MacBook, as it would be nice to have it functional on here.
 
Cheers, still nothing, going into day 8 :( i recon theyve lost my test or entered it under a different (wrong) passport number. I am sure by now if it was positive there would have been a car out the front dragging me to the hospital by now. Normally result should be know in max 3 days they say here... so go figure.. lol

anyways, very simple to install win 10.. just use boot camp to turn the drive into 2 partitions as it will move all your osx data to the one side. the drive the drive is then ready to install onto. so when your mac boots with its chime, just press alt (hold it down) untill the boot screen shows up. pop in your win 10 dvd/usb stick and off you go. there are many other ways to do it too.
 
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Cheers, still nothing, going into day 8 :( i recon theyve lost my test or entered it under a different (wrong) passport number. I am sure by now if it was positive there would have been a car out the front dragging me to the hospital by now. Normally result should be know in max 3 days they say here... so go figure.. lol

anyways, very simple to install win 10.. just use boot camp to turn the drive into 2 partitions as it will move all your osx data to the one side. the drive the drive is then ready to install onto. so when your mac boots with its chime, just press alt (hold it down) untill the boot screen shows up. pop in your win 10 dvd/usb stick and off you go. there are many other ways to do it too.
Yeah, that's always a comforting fact that if you did have it, you likely would have been taken to the hospital by now.

Ok, thanks! I've checked and my MacBook (5,2) isn't supported by Windows 10 Boot Camp drivers, do you know a way to bypass that limitation?
 
Yeah, that's always a comforting fact that if you did have it, you likely would have been taken to the hospital by now.

Ok, thanks! I've checked and my MacBook (5,2) isn't supported by Windows 10 Boot Camp drivers, do you know a way to bypass that limitation?

I'd first let Windows download the drivers itself via Windows Update and check which ones are missing afterwards. You don't really need the whole Boot Camp drivers package.
 
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Yeah, that's always a comforting fact that if you did have it, you likely would have been taken to the hospital by now.

Ok, thanks! I've checked and my MacBook (5,2) isn't supported by Windows 10 Boot Camp drivers, do you know a way to bypass that limitation?
Now, I've never had an Intel Mac to install Windows 10 on, but I've installed it on plenty of pieces of hardware that don't support it, and odds are, if the driver package works under Windows 7, it'll work under Windows 10. You might end up with an installation of Windows that doesn't fully work with the keyboard media buttons, and doesn't have Boot Camp's HFS+ driver, but otherwise it should work just fine.
 
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I'd first let Windows download the drivers itself via Windows Update and check which ones are missing afterwards. You don't really need the whole Boot Camp drivers package.
Ok, thanks for the tip! :D
Now, I've never had an Intel Mac to install Windows 10 on, but I've installed it on plenty of pieces of hardware that don't support it, and odds are, if the driver package works under Windows 7, it'll work under Windows 10. You might end up with an installation of Windows that doesn't fully work with the keyboard media buttons, and doesn't have Boot Camp's HFS+ driver, but otherwise it should work just fine.
Ok, sounds good! Thanks :D
 
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General rule of thumb for covid19: Once diagnosed, you are typically asked to self isolate and weather the disease at home, minimizing exposure & spread to others, reserving beds and ventilators for those extremely ill patients who would suffocate and die without one, so if you're breathing ok, home is the place to be (with your PPC computers of course DUH :D ).

Docs thought I had it weeks ago but it turned out to be a horrible sinus infection and flu combo (not covid19). 3 days later I was cleared to go back to work, so off I went & have been chugging along a happy essential worker bee ever since. I've been blessed to keep my paycheck, dodge this viral bullet so far and I hope to keep it that-a-way :apple:

Thinking back however, first my toddler son, then wife, & finally myself were horribly sick around the 2019 holiday with upper respiratory muck, and current estimations of the virus making the leap from Asia to North America is September 2019, so we very much could've been part of one of the first waves of domestic infection back then, developing immunity and helping us now with a certain level of resistance to current iterations of the virus. Who knows and I don't want to find out LOL, so speculation I hope it stays.

On a side note, do you guys think $50 bucks is a good price for an intel core2 duo mini? I figure folks are feeling the financial pinch so listing apple (mostly 2005-08 stuff - some early intel and imac g5 stuff too) computers cheap on CL to make some cash. If buying a $50 mini helps someone feed themselves w/o having to go on the dole, I might pick it up if for nothing else, to hold up all my culinary & prof baking books on my bookshelf.

Stay safe
 
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We were selling the 2005-2008 Core 2 Duo Minis at the recycling facility where I worked then for like $20-$25 and that was in 2019 and only the 2009 Mini would fetch a bit more since you can mod it to run Catalina or the later Linux version. The 2005-2008 began loosing their value for a number of years now; mostly in that collectors who had wanted them then had already bought them now. I think that post-Covid19, this will only accelerate price depreciation among all class of computers moving forward as most of the people will begin repairing their balance sheet after gorging on debt for the most of a decade which partly fuelled the insane price appreciation of many of the older PPC machines beyond their innate value on eBay and other platforms.
 
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@iluvmacs99 - In the US, maybe - in Europe, the early Intel minis usually go for the equivalent of $40...50, and the 2009 ones regularly go for $100 or so.
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On a side note, do you guys think $50 bucks is a good price for an intel core2 duo mini?
If it's a 2009, hell yeah. If it's an older model it's overpriced but if you feel you're helping someone out...
 
We were selling the 2005-2008 Core 2 Duo Minis at the recycling facility where I worked then for like $20-$25 and that was in 2019 and only the 2009 Mini would fetch a bit more since you can mod it to run Catalina or the later Linux version. The 2005-2008 began loosing their value for a number of years now; mostly in that collectors who had wanted them then had already bought them now. I think that post-Covid19, this will only accelerate price depreciation among all class of computers moving forward as most of the people will begin repairing their balance sheet after gorging on debt for the most of a decade which partly fuelled the insane price appreciation of many of the older PPC machines beyond their innate value on eBay and other platforms.

Hmm, if I follow your thought process correctly - as consumer expendable cash tightens due to dwindling cashflow, furloughed/fired workforce and paying down inflated credit balances, this will drive down actual sale prices of used PCs due to the greater bear market. You'd think at least in the short term we'd see increased sales & looser spending due to the stimulus & tax rebates propping up pricing & a sense of financial normalcy. This could actually be a fantastic upcoming market for volume resale folks. Make less per unit but sell the weebly wobbblys off bulk sales making up gross margin loss on increased gross sales within an increasingly budget, reuse focused market.

Dunno if it makes a difference but the mini is boxed with all of its case candy.

Regards,
 
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@iluvmacs99 - In the US, maybe - in Europe, the early Intel minis usually go for the equivalent of $40...50, and the 2009 ones regularly go for $100 or so.
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If it's a 2009, hell yeah. If it's an older model it's overpriced but if you feel you're helping someone out...

Hah, maybe he/she's an expat :D I'm not really much of a "help the poor guy out" type of person. The gimme gimme gimme nature of society has burned my middle class backside quite a few times and the demoralizing judgement laid on the recipient by social worker x is nauseating. What I do look at is I always applaud that capitalist drive of engaging the market and doing something about your situation (like selling what ya got) in a healthy, positive cottage industry entrepreneurial push vs waiting for someone/thing else to fix your situation like you're a grown person going on 4. Anyhow in that vein, I don't look at it so much as helping someone out like I'm patting myself on the back while doing them a favor as I look at it as engaging in badass entrepreneurial spirit, driving local economy, keeping local capital liquid and keeping local dollars in the community (and yes, these ppl using the proceeds to feed themselves, pay their bills etc). All of these things equate to a healthier outlook on themselves and their community.
 
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Hmm, if I follow your thought process correctly - as consumer expendable cash tightens due to dwindling cashflow, furloughed/fired workforce and paying down inflated credit balances, this will drive down actual sale prices of used PCs due to the greater bear market. You'd think at least in the short term we'd see increased sales & looser spending due to the stimulus & tax rebates propping up pricing & a sense of financial normalcy. This could actually be a fantastic upcoming market for volume resale folks. Make less per unit but sell the weebly wobbblys off bulk sales making up gross margin loss on increased gross sales within an increasingly budget, reuse focused market.

Dunno if it makes a difference but the mini is boxed with all of its case candy.

Regards,

The economy works this way; when there's a saver there also must be a spender to allow the economy to function. The economy can not function properly when everyone wants to save and not spend. We have had episodes of this during the Great Depression of 1929 in the US where price deflation ensued after the stock market crashed as well as the Great Financial Recession of 2008, because everyone wanted to save money, to save whatever they have left. What is interesting in Europe and is also happening in Japan in 1985 was that, after the dot.com bubble crash of 1999 and the 1985 crash of the Japan real estate market, the German and the Japanese private sector evolved from net borrowers into net savers and they do so to repair their own balance sheets. I think the Germans even changed the name of the stock market to TecDax just to forget the trauma that many people lost their shirt in the tech bubble. Most other European countries were net borrowers until the Great Financial Recession which collapsed their own real estate economy, thus turning them from net borrower and spenders into net savers. I think the sour experiences of these bubble crashes had caused the private sector in Europe to continue to save rather than borrow. So the used computer market in Europe behaves somewhat differently than the used computer market in the US and Canada where our economic policies allowed the private sector to be net borrowers.

What I am saying is that with the private sector, the transition from a net borrower to a net saver will cause a deflation in asset prices, and that is because the amount of debt will stay the same irregardless of any economic malaise including this pandemic. Post Covid19, the private sector will have to service the same debt, but because the demand side will be curtailed because that is what people will do, switch from borrowing and spending to saving, the supply side of the economy will have to match demand. The supply side of a used computer expects people to pay on pre-Covid 19 prices. That's not going to happen, especially if it was inflated because people can borrow money that they don't have. Europe is a bit different. Prices are reflected based the people's cashflow ability to pay. That's real money, real cash you have so if it's a $50 Mac Mini in Europe is based on cash savings. Whereas in US and Canada, the $50 Mac Mini is based on monetary stimulus -- borrowed money and once people stopped borrowing, they will switch to saving and building up that war chest. It is during this build-up is when deals can be made on items on distress prices. Even before Covid19, I was doing some sales figure projections for the thrift store organisation (I was actually promoted to a managerial position due to my experience in this economic stuff before I was laid off due to Covid), I was already projecting and observing that a lot of people were spending more cash than credit. And this is basically an early warning sign that people's ability to borrow had maxed out or they were nervous that interest rates had gone up so fast that they worry they are unable to service their debt. This is a net borrower mentality. If you are a saver and have good cash flow, you would actually borrow money with cheap rates and buy and invest and earn over the spread in interest. That's how I would do business, but someone who borrows money with poor cashflow is cashflow negative. And that is why government is basically giving money to people right now. Yes, the stimulus can help but it is temporary. Eventually, people who borrow money need to deleverage and that usually entails selling off non-performing assets, which can include collections and things that don't help their cashflow. And it is already happening in the US and Canada even before Covid19. Covid19 is basically an accelerant to a beginning fire sale on distress asset.
 
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The economy works this way; when there's a saver there also must be a spender to allow the economy to function. The economy can not function properly when everyone wants to save and not spend. We have had episodes of this during the Great Depression of 1929 in the US where price deflation ensued after the stock market crashed as well as the Great Financial Recession of 2008, because everyone wanted to save money, to save whatever they have left. What is interesting in Europe and is also happening in Japan in 1985 was that, after the dot.com bubble crash of 1999 and the 1985 crash of the Japan real estate market, the German and the Japanese private sector evolved from net borrowers into net savers and they do so to repair their own balance sheets. I think the Germans even changed the name of the stock market to TecDax just to forget the trauma that many people lost their shirt in the tech bubble. Most other European countries were net borrowers until the Great Financial Recession which collapsed their own real estate economy, thus turning them from net borrower and spenders into net savers. I think the sour experiences of these bubble crashes had caused the private sector in Europe to continue to save rather than borrow. So the used computer market in Europe behaves somewhat differently than the used computer market in the US and Canada where our economic policies allowed the private sector to be net borrowers.

What I am saying is that with the private sector, the transition from a net borrower to a net saver will cause a deflation in asset prices, and that is because the amount of debt will stay the same irregardless of any economic malaise including this pandemic. Post Covid19, the private sector will have to service the same debt, but because the demand side will be curtailed because that is what people will do, switch from borrowing and spending to saving, the supply side of the economy will have to match demand. The supply side of a used computer expects people to pay on pre-Covid 19 prices. That's not going to happen, especially if it was inflated because people can borrow money that they don't have. Europe is a bit different. Prices are reflected based the people's cashflow ability to pay. That's real money, real cash you have so if it's a $50 Mac Mini in Europe is based on cash savings. Whereas in US and Canada, the $50 Mac Mini is based on monetary stimulus -- borrowed money and once people stopped borrowing, they will switch to saving and building up that war chest. It is during this build-up is when deals can be made on items on distress prices. Even before Covid19, I was doing some sales figure projections for the thrift store organisation (I was actually promoted to a managerial position due to my experience in this economic stuff before I was laid off due to Covid), I was already projecting and observing that a lot of people were spending more cash than credit. And this is basically an early warning sign that people's ability to borrow had maxed out or they were nervous that interest rates had gone up so fast that they worry they are unable to service their debt. This is a net borrower mentality. If you are a saver and have good cash flow, you would actually borrow money with cheap rates and buy and invest and earn over the spread in interest. That's how I would do business, but someone who borrows money with poor cashflow is cashflow negative. And that is why government is basically giving money to people right now. Yes, the stimulus can help but it is temporary. Eventually, people who borrow money need to deleverage and that usually entails selling off non-performing assets, which can include collections and things that don't help their cashflow. And it is already happening in the US and Canada even before Covid19. Covid19 is basically an accelerant to a beginning fire sale on distress asset.

That's an interesting take on the debt to income ratio as a metric for US economic consumer health. I'm curious about how the Euro zone vs US market plays into this. European borrowing is heavily bank driven and controlled with a tiny portion going to bonds n such (so naturally with all that debt on their own bank roll they're culturally risk-averse & quite conservative in both size and amount of loans given) vs the US market where up to 80%+ passes through US borrowing institutions to a highly developed and mature US capital bonds market as an investment of its own right and counter balance to shifting economy (spreading out & decreasing the risk to the lending institution, increasing entrepreneurial funding opportunity, driving economic growth & in part lines of credit). From what you're saying if I understand this correctly is, with a dip in consumer spending, "the private sector" ie: US Bond market investors will have to take up that slack, stabilizing market prices once ordinary consumers stimulus funds deplete and get bearish. Conversely, with Europe lacking a developed capital bonds market & under developed personal investment/pension systems, smaller markets (ie: used pc) are based off more modest & conservative growth metric like a capital savings account at the bank - which is absolutely actual real money backed by the bank vs a bond or investment in the United States. That's a good point. I'll give you that. This is in part exactly why the US has such a diverse and mature bonds market though. It is an effective tool in driving a more risk tolerant, entrepreneurial spirit & opportunity, reducing the duration and severity of economic dips by shoring up markets and extending lines of credit when if left to banks, would be next to impossible to acquire in an economic down turn - certainly not perfect as we experienced its limits as is evidenced by the 08 Great recession and the 91 recession etc. etc. but a great tool in the tool box none the less - one that the Euro zone still has not been able to match, I think probably due to the fragmented borders of Europe, under developed 401k style investment/pension systems and limited abilities of the EZ to come together and play nicely to make that happen. Now if US bond/capital markets freeze up & with it liquidity, that's when it could get a little scary and is why I pay other people to manage my portfolios - that and they know exactly what the hell they're talking about hah :D

I appreciate your thoughtful response. Excellent food for thought and reminds me I need to call those guys. I think I am going to invest a good chunk of my stimulus in the US capital markets. Heck its an almost guaranteed profit.

@RogerWilco6502 - very sorry for taking this thread topic through the weeds, down the cliff, into a rocket and onward to outer space. Very sorry about that.
 
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Well, I just watched a 720p x264 mkv-container episode of Better Call Saul on my DLSD 17".

I had to use CorePlayer, though, as VLC 2.0.10 didn’t seem up to the task of running it smoothly without dropping a lot of frames — even when renicing VLC to -20.

Have you tried vlc 1.1.12?
It was stated here that works better

 
Alright, did something productive on a PPC Mac today.

I'm starting a new job in August, and they needed copies of my social security card and drivers license. I wasn't comfortable sending it through email.

I fired up a DLSD, plugged a landline into the modem(yes, those still exist) and faxed it directly from Leopard.
 
How’s the power consumption going?

But with oil prices dropping, that may not be an issue if your electricity price is pegged to oil.

Because I am stuck in my house for the time being, I thought this week would be the perfect time to do a little PowerPC challenge where I try to use only PowerPC machines as much as possible (but am not prohibited from using my MacBook when absolutely necessary). I am five days into the challenge and am loving it! Today I had the idea to try to extend it to as long as I can manage as well as the idea to extend the offer out to others to participate too.

Anyone want to join me on this? ;)

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Alright, did something productive on a PPC Mac today.

I'm starting a new job in August, and they needed copies of my social security card and drivers license. I wasn't comfortable sending it through email.

I fired up a DLSD, plugged a landline into the modem(yes, those still exist) and faxed it directly from Leopard.
Ah, yes! Fax is still a great way to do things, even today! I once had to explain to someone in a YouTube comments section why fax was, in fact, more secure than email. It was an... interesting conversation to say the least. :p

Sometime soon I might fire up a wardialer on my iBook and try some wardialing just for the fun of it >:3
How’s the power consumption going?

But with oil prices dropping, that may not be an issue if your electricity price is pegged to oil.
I would estimate I personally didn't see much of a change given that my PPC Macs are always on during the day anyway.
 
Alright, did something productive on a PPC Mac today.

I'm starting a new job in August, and they needed copies of my social security card and drivers license. I wasn't comfortable sending it through email.

I fired up a DLSD, plugged a landline into the modem(yes, those still exist) and faxed it directly from Leopard.

Wanted to ask you this, but I finally figured out using Tiger. :) Thanks for reminding me that I have a faxmodem on mine.
 
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How’s the power consumption going?

But with oil prices dropping, that may not be an issue if your electricity price is pegged to oil.

Amortized over time, including the power consumption costs of design, manufacturing, and shipping? With my power supply coming totally from carbon-neutral sources?

Pretty good, can’t complain!
 
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