5V FPM or EDO 168 pin memory modules preferably of the 128MB size
(its important that they are 5V rated)
I’ll look and get back to you. If I find some I assume you want it
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PowerSurging to Mac OS X 10.5.8: Power Macintosh 9600 fun
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I’ll look and get back to you. If I find some I assume you want it
Thanksaccording to your posts you did your testing in your 8600 (AFAIK you never tested the G4 in your 9600/200MP?)
You're right-I was thinking 8600 and typed 9600. The G4 lives in my 8600, and I've never run anything other than the dual 200 in my 9600.
ahh
the software on that image appears to be for G3 stuff only tho
and if I wish to really tweak all the settings and change the L2CR on the fly then I have PowerLogixs CPU Director
Just double checking this as it has been a while; with the Machspeed carrier, the cache is enabled via the dip switches. My understanding is that the extension is a maths library of sorts and the control panel just checks to see if the cache has been switched on/present. Prolly doesn't matter either way whether you install anything or not on a Kansas board.
on my slocket the first 8 Dip switches are to do with setting the bus speed and then the last 4 are for setting the CPU Multiplier, theres nothing on my slocket AFAIK for handling L2 cache
I know for sure the sonnet extension is enabling L2, as without it when ya fire up Metronome or Gauge pro theres no backside L2 to be found (on both G3 and G4 CPUs)
and of course for OS X if I want to enable L2 cache sonnet has a kext for that too
(for those wondering the OS X cache enabler in xpostfacto does not function properly in 10.3+)
been playing with the 9600 some more
and much to my pleasant surprise the system seems to be stable even with the bus speed set to 60Mhz, (normally PowerSurge based macs max out at about 55Mhz bus speed) and I got nice little boost in memory performance, with the G3 at 50Mhz bus speed it was in the low mid 40s . (it will be interesting to see if my sonnet G4 ZIF maintains a 9x multiplier at 60Mhz bus. as that would have it running at 540Mhz) I wonder if I could hit 66Mhz on the bus, but I need to figure out the dip switch settings for that, as the PDF only goes up to 60Mhz
and much to my pleasant surprise the system seems to be stable even with the bus speed set to 60Mhz, (normally PowerSurge based macs max out at about 55Mhz bus speed) and I got nice little boost in memory performance, with the G3 at 50Mhz bus speed it was in the low mid 40s
. (it will be interesting to see if my sonnet G4 ZIF maintains a 9x multiplier at 60Mhz bus. as that would have it running at 540Mhz) I wonder if I could hit 66Mhz on the bus, but I need to figure out the dip switch settings for that, as the PDF only goes up to 60Mhz
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been playing with the 9600 some more
and much to my pleasant surprise the system seems to be stable even with the bus speed set to 60Mhz, (normally PowerSurge based macs max out at about 55Mhz bus speed) and I got nice little boost in memory performance with the G3 at 50Mhz bus, it was in the low mid 40s
Yes, but will it handle YouTube or what??
Great work mate. I'm looking forward to seeing the GeekBench score!
Okay so I have a couple of chips of 128mb SODIMM. Idk how to check if it’s 5V or not though.
SODIMM is no good. These need to be desktop DIMMs.
small update on the 9600
looks like the 60Mhz bus setup is only stable with a G3 CPU if I stick in my G4 Yikes! CPU it all falls over LOL
so I think ill stick to a 50Mhz bus speed for the most part.
I also experimented a bit with Linux, which did not want to play ball using the BootX boot loader. (tho I have a couple more things to try in that regard)
so i think ill put my arse into gear and figure out how to setup this boot-loader https://github.com/andreiw/iQUIK which is a yaboot type boot loader but for oldworld ROM machines (ie it boots directly from OF into the linux kernel, rather then linux chest bursting its way out of OS 9 like it does with BootX)
looks like the 60Mhz bus setup is only stable with a G3 CPU if I stick in my G4 Yikes! CPU it all falls over LOL
so I think ill stick to a 50Mhz bus speed for the most part.
I also experimented a bit with Linux, which did not want to play ball using the BootX boot loader. (tho I have a couple more things to try in that regard)
so i think ill put my arse into gear and figure out how to setup this boot-loader https://github.com/andreiw/iQUIK
which is a yaboot type boot loader but for oldworld ROM machines (ie it boots directly from OF into the linux kernel, rather then linux chest bursting its way out of OS 9 like it does with BootX)
Well, I don't win the free cookie, but I am interested.(and free internet cookie if you get the title of the thread
What's special about the "Power Surge" Macs? A quick Google was largely unfruitful, due to the unfortunate nomenclature dominated by results where people's machines were fried by, well, power surges. I did find a Wiki article referring to the second generation of Power Macintosh as the "Power Surge" line.
Could the 'PowerSurging' reference be due to you getting all the macs in the Power Surge line to use osx 10.5.8?. There are 7 models in the range, 7300, 7500, 7600, 8500, 8600, 9500, and 9600. Probably referred to as 'Power surge line' as these machine use PCI instead of NuBus which was quoted as being 300% faster than NuBus
PowerSurge is in reference to the general platform the 9600 is based off of
seeing as I got 10.5.8 booting on my 9600 it means my image/setup should also work on any other PowerSurge based mac too
of the Beige PCI based macs (not counting the G3 beige and the 7200/8200) there are 3 main platforms
theres PowerSurge which are macs which use the Hammerhead memory controller these being 7300 7500 7600 8500 8600 9500 9600
then theres PowerStar which are macs based off of the PSX/PSX+ Memory controller these being the 6500 6400 5500 5400 4400 LPX40, PowerBook 3400 PowerBook G3 (Kanga) and the Tanzania-2 based Macintosh Clones, (if I ever get a spare Kanga to try and slap a G4 on then in theory using my image I may be able to get Leopard booting on it)
and finally theres PowerExpress which is what the Power Macintosh 9700 is based off of
seeing as I got 10.5.8 booting on my 9600 it means my image/setup should also work on any other PowerSurge based mac too
of the Beige PCI based macs (not counting the G3 beige and the 7200/8200) there are 3 main platforms
theres PowerSurge which are macs which use the Hammerhead memory controller these being 7300 7500 7600 8500 8600 9500 9600
then theres PowerStar which are macs based off of the PSX/PSX+ Memory controller these being the 6500 6400 5500 5400 4400 LPX40, PowerBook 3400 PowerBook G3 (Kanga) and the Tanzania-2 based Macintosh Clones, (if I ever get a spare Kanga to try and slap a G4 on then in theory using my image I may be able to get Leopard booting on it)
and finally theres PowerExpress which is what the Power Macintosh 9700 is based off of
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Wow, cool, and as rare as hen's teeth.
Doesn't seem to be a lot of info, did that take the same 60ns EDO ram as the older Powermac's?
AFAIK it does take EDO RAM
and indeed very rare, I would love to have a play with a working one
espcially as I actually have OS X drivers for the platform and theoretically could boot OS X on one but no one has ever tried AFAIK (their OpenFirmware name is AAPL,9700)I know a bit about them but as you say they are very rare and information is very hard to come by with only a couple known working examples.
I do know the PowerMac 9700 was supposed to be the machine the G3 debuted in. and there do exist prototype G3 CPU cards in the Slot form factor
http://www.cpushack.com/2013/07/26/apple-g3-prototype-the-goleta-and-ibm-arthur-processor/ and http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/mac-powerexpress/but as it turned out the budget machine they where also working on at the time (you could say the successor to the PowerMac 4400) actually turned out to be faster then the PowerExpress and so they scrapped the 9700 project and out of the budget machine project the PowerMac G3 beige was born.
the G3 beige had some limits still so they kept the 9600 for sale after the G3 beige came out to keep the 6 PCI slot 12 RAM slot people happy
(my 9600 evidently being such an example having been made 5th december 1998 just a month away from the G3 Blue and white launch...)
AFAIK it does take EDO RAM
and indeed very rare, I would love to have a play with a working one
I know a bit about them but as you say they are very rare and information is very hard to come by with only a couple known working examples.
I do know the PowerMac 9700 was supposed to be the machine the G3 debuted in. and there do exist prototype G3 CPU cards in the Slot form factor
but as it turned out the budget machine they where also working on at the time (you could say the successor to the PowerMac 4400) actually turned out to be faster then the PowerExpress and so they scrapped the 9700 project and out of the budget machine project the PowerMac G3 beige was born.
the G3 beige had some limits still so they kept the 9600 for sale after the G3 beige came out to keep the 6 PCI slot 12 RAM slot people happy
I remember seeing some 50ns EDO ram long ago, back when I still had my 8600. Not sure it was 5v tho, I always wanted to try it, I think it was made for IBM machines.
The Ram and system bus were so limiting on the Powersurge Macs, I wonder the bus speed of the 9700.
From what I have read online, Apple canned the 9700 because what became the beige G3 was faster in tests.
Poked at the system a bit more and got the SCSI chain playing nice now I can properly Boot from a CD and it no longer takes OS X down, the ZIP drive was the last on the chain since the HDD was pulled, so I had to turn on termination on the ZIP drive then everything started working as it should (the top SCSI domain is just my ATA card, it shows up as a SCSI setup to OS 9/X)
now I can properly Boot from a CD and it no longer takes OS X down, the ZIP drive was the last on the chain since the HDD was pulled, so I had to turn on termination on the ZIP drive then everything started working as it should (the top SCSI domain is just my ATA card, it shows up as a SCSI setup to OS 9/X)
Da last device on da SCSI bus must be terminated.Poked at the system a bit more and got the SCSI chain playing nice
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G4 in an 8600... what a familiar concept
Yeah, I don't know where this push for G4s/Leopards in PowerSurge Macs comes from in this sub-forum.
(granted mine's not running Leopard).
small update time again
after figuring out how to read write to HFS Normal volumes in macOS Mojave via some slight sheep shaver hacking
I got System 7.5.3 going on my Kansas PowerMac 9600 a system which is said to require 7.6.1 now if only I had a 1Ghz Sonnet G4 to put in this system so I could really see System 7.5.3 go off its tits
this is still hanging off of the CF card attached to the PCI ATA133 card too,
but on that note I recently won "some" SCSI HDDs on ebay and a 50 to 68 pin adapter, so I hope to be able to install a SCSI HDD into this system and play with getting OS X Server 1.2v3 and BeOS going on it
its also fun to think, that, the machine above is running the same OS as this machine bellow 8Mhz 68000 vs 300Mhz 604ev....
after figuring out how to read write to HFS Normal volumes in macOS Mojave via some slight sheep shaver hacking
I got System 7.5.3 going on my Kansas PowerMac 9600 a system which is said to require 7.6.1
now if only I had a 1Ghz Sonnet G4 to put in this system so I could really see System 7.5.3 go off its tits this is still hanging off of the CF card attached to the PCI ATA133 card too,
but on that note I recently won "some" SCSI HDDs on ebay and a 50 to 68 pin adapter, so I hope to be able to install a SCSI HDD into this system and play with getting OS X Server 1.2v3 and BeOS going on it
its also fun to think, that, the machine above is running the same OS as this machine bellow
8Mhz 68000 vs 300Mhz 604ev....I never knew these were so expandable, I got a 9600/200 with a joblot of G4/G5s a couple of years back but I had no HDD to test it with so ended up giving it away to the buyer of one of the G4s as they seemed like an enthusiast. Wish I'd kept it and messed around with it for a bit now.
7.5.3 with a 1Ghz G4 is crazy fast. Put in a PCI SATA SSD and it's just face melting. I'd think it'd be even faster if booting from a ram disk
Do you have 1gb in your 8600?
I know that maxing the RAM in both my 8600 and 9600 was one of the best things I ever did for both computers in terms of stability and speed, although the type of software that will run in OS 9 on the 9600 barely even makes a dent in the 1.5gb in the 9600.
I keep meaning to get some big photos on my 9600 and work on them in Photoshop 6, since that's one of the few things I can do that would probably both use most of the RAM and both CPUs.