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PowerSurging to Mac OS X 10.5.8: Power Macintosh 9600 fun

jimjamyaha said:
If you boot using verbose mode then we should be be able to see where early on in the process it's hanging.

However I think it was a kernel issue. 10.5.5 worked with later versions of everything else... But the 10.5.8 kernel didn't.
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further to this, if you are at an Open Firmware prompt, type boot then IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS hit CMD V you will also be able to boot BootX itself in verbose mode

which is very handy for figuring out if its the Boot loader falling over on something or the OS X kernel

(and indeed my Image is based off your work and uses the 10.5.5 kernel and associated kexts)


sixteenbitify said:
Hey guys. For years, I was dreaming of a fully maxed out Power Mac 9600 that is capable of running Leopard. I am halfway of achieving that dream. My 9600 has an 800MHz G4, 1.25GB of RAM, Radeon 9200, ATA133 card, FW/USB, and a 10/100 Ethernet card.

I am writing to you guys because I cannot get 10.5.8 to work on my 9600 and even my Molar Mac. The newest Leopard I was able to get working is 10.5.2. After 10.5.3, my beige machines refuse to boot up to those Leopard versions. I make sure it has all the modified extensions and everything. But I get a stuck Apple logo on bootup and the spinning wheel does not appear. It’s just a stuck Apple logo on a gray background.

I tried using LightBulbFun’s 10.5.8 restore image with Disk Utility and the same issue happens. Stuck Apple logo on a gray background and no spinning wheel. I made sure to use Xpostfacto and initiate the install everything command to the 10.5.8 partition.

What could I possibly be doing wrong here? 10.5.2 only works for me, but I really would love to have the latest version of Leopard.

Any advice?
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my image has been used by a number of people and generally has been reported to work alright, so I would recommend, making sure all your OpenFirmware NVRAM variables are correct

and that you are imaging the 10.5.8 image correctly, Perhaps instead of Disk utility, what I would do is, plug a Hard drive into your 9600, format that in OS 9 as HFS, and then pull it out and use carbon copy cloner to copy the files from the mounted image to formatted in OS 9 hard drive

then trying again with xpostfacto's "install everything" and using xpostfacto to boot into it




I do really need to put together a better image at some point, (the image thats currently uploaded was only really put together for @bunnspecial to test on his G4 PowerMac G3 BW, before I had such hardware on hand, hence why it only initially setup for MPC106 macs and needs Xpostfacto's install everything to work on older PowerSurge machines etc)

the problem is I know setting up a more refined image will require me to have several of my PowerMacs setup at the same time as I swap hard drives etc between them, but I sadly dont currently have the workspace for that

someday hopefully I will be able to tho :)
 
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LBF, I tried your OS 9 HD idea several weeks back and still got the 'call kernel' notification. Used carbon clone and disk utility to no avail. At that point, I had to take a break from this and haven't tried anything since.
 
JTPerseus said:
LBF, I tried your OS 9 HD idea several weeks back and still got the 'call kernel' notification. Used carbon clone and disk utility to no avail. At that point, I had to take a break from this and haven't tried anything since.
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What’s your Mac setup? I don’t even get a “call kernel” notification at all. Just a frozen apple boot logo screen. I tried doing all the suggestions to no avail either and I have a feeling it might be the upgrades I gave to my 9600 and Molar Mac.
 
Have a 9600/233, G4/800mhz upgrade card, 400MB ram and 3 HDs running 8.6, 9.1, 9.2 and 10.4. I've run verbose mode and see all the commands and then it just stops at 'call kernel'. Tried via open f/w prompt and xpostfacto with same results. I walked away from it weeks ago as I had too many other things to do. What I was thinking of trying was buying a real 10.5 install DVD and trying open f/w prompt to see what that what would do but I haven't done it yet.

Once I installed 10.4 many weeks ago, I was having lockup issues and 'spinning wheel of death' but I think it is a ram issue that I haven't quite solved yet. However, I've gotten 10.4 to run more than hour and it does run nicely. I need to use 10.4 to use my USB/Firewire DVD burner to install the 10.5 DVD so hence my dilemma.
 
JTPerseus said:
Have a 9600/233, G4/800mhz upgrade card, 400MB ram and 3 HDs running 8.6, 9.1, 9.2 and 10.4. I've run verbose mode and see all the commands and then it just stops at 'call kernel'. Tried via open f/w prompt and xpostfacto with same results. I walked away from it weeks ago as I had too many other things to do. What I was thinking of trying was buying a real 10.5 install DVD and trying open f/w prompt to see what that what would do but I haven't done it yet.

Once I installed 10.4 many weeks ago, I was having lockup issues and 'spinning wheel of death' but I think it is a ram issue that I haven't quite solved yet. However, I've gotten 10.4 to run more than hour and it does run nicely. I need to use 10.4 to use my USB/Firewire DVD burner to install the 10.5 DVD so hence my dilemma.
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It does sound like a RAM issue for what you've been experiencing under Tiger. When you boot under OS 9, does it pass the boot RAM check? That check, as you may know, is a black screen and then it starts to boot up after a few seconds (or minutes) after it checks the RAM. If it does not pass the check, you will get a black screen indefinitely until you do a CTRL+CMD+PWR combination press, which skips the check.

By the way, just like you, I am trying to get 10.5.8 to work on a Power Macintosh 9600. Mine is the 9600/200 model.
My setup is:
Sonnet 800MHz G4 Processor Card
1.25GB of RAM
Sonnet ATA133 PCI card with a 2TB SATA Hard Drive with IDE adapter and a 250GB IDE Hard Drive on IDE1 and Pioneer DVD/RW and Zip disk Drive on IDE2
Sonnet Tango 2.0 USB/FW PCI card
ATI Radeon 9200 PCI
Apple 10/100 Ethernet Card

I was able only able to get 10.5.1 and 10.5.2 to work on my setup. But when I attempt to upgrade to 10.5.3 or later, I get an stuck boot screen with the Apple logo. It freezes so early on that it does not even go to Verbose mode when I turn it on under Xpostfacto. Therefore, my situation seems to be worse than yours because I don't get the "Call Kernel" notification at all.
 
I've checked the ram numerous ways and it checks out fine. I moved it around into the different slots and tried several iterations of this and the like. I believe the issue is one of mixed ram suppliers that make up my 400mb. Specs are same but from what I've read and from what LBF has told me, OS 10 is very picky about ram and that appears to manifest itself on my 9600. 8.6 and 9 run just fine with mixed ram....but not 10. Even with this issue, it's been stable enough to get to the 'call kernel' error so if I could get past that error, I might have a shot at getting 10.5.8 loaded.
 
weckart said:
The only place I know that always seems to have obscure RAM in stock (or so it claims) is this place

https://www.memoryx.com/edo.html

but the prices are never attractive unless you are desperate.

With regard to BeOS, sorry but you are SOL. Won't work on a Kansas board. You need a Tsunami. Source for this: BeOS' own hardware requirements page and my own experience. I have both boards (a 3650 PM Server and a Dual-200 PM). Works with the G3 zif card in situ.

That thing with the DVI port on a 9200 is something I have noticed but I am sure I did get it to boot and display from the DVI port for a while. It doesn't seem to work right now. I thought something was up with the 9600.

If you want to flash a PC 7000 card, I could pop a M25P10 chip in the post for you so that you can get FHD output.
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You where saying? 😁 #smugmode

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in my research I had discovered that the Kansas incompatibility, was only with running the BeOS launcher from the CD-ROM itself, if you first copied the BeOS launcher to your Mac driven then ran it from there, you could install BeOS, so I thought now that I have SCSI Emulator device I can play around with all the obscure OS's (the ones that dont work with PCI ATA/SATA cards Like BeOS or Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 etc) I would give it a bash

and as you can see it worked! well I cheated a bit for ease of convince someone had made a pre-made hard drive image of BeOS which you can fetch here


so I grabbed that, (you need the BeOS tools image too that contains the actual launcher app, also you need to be launching from Mac OS 8.6 or lower, I used 7.5.3) and as you can see it booted right up without a fuss my 9600/300 Kansas machine, it does not quite know what to make of the 604ev CPU, but thats to be expected, BeOS's own release notes state as such :)

I do wonder if the 1MB inline cache is being used at all or not?
 
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LightBulbFun said:
I do wonder if the 1MB inline cache is being used at all or not?
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Congrats on getting past that hurdle. There is a terminal in BeOS and that might be that might be the place to start. Here's a list of debugging commands. There might be something useful in them.


Apart from Pulse, I can't remember offhand if anyone ever mad a similar GUI program such as you get with Newertech etc for CPU upgrades on Apple hardware.
 
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DearthnVader said:
I would think that the Mach 5 cards L2 cache is not software activated, should be done in firmware, but just because I think at thing doesn't make it so.
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I think the Inline cache is enabled by the Mac OS Toolbox ROM of the Kansas machines, but not by OpenFirmware, one of the earliest things i noticed from before I had my own hardware and I had to rely on my friends to test things out for me, was that Both @bunnspecial 's 9600 and @tevion5 's 8600, Kansas machines, OpenFirmware did not actually know what the 604ev was, and indeed thats true for my 9600/300 Kansas machine as well you just get "PowerPC,60?" which is the name OpenFirmware gives a CPU it does not recognise

and like wise in OpenFirmware although there is an L2 cache node, its a phantom 256KB of L2 cache, which I talk a bit about here where I boot Linux on my 9600

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PowerSurging to Mac OS X 10.5.8: Power Macintosh 9600 fun

I finally managed to get the 9600 to boot/play ball with Linux, sadly for some reason BootX would not play ball, the kernel would start to load but pretty quickly lock up so I finally figured out how to work the iQuick Boot Loader as I said a couple years ago! easier said then done, but I...
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even booting through BootX tho would not show the 1MB of inline cache in Linux, nor was I able to get linux to recognise any L2 cache on any G3 or G4 CPU either in the 9600 either sadly (at least not knowingly, nothing reported it)



so yeah this gives me the impression that if one is booting by way of OpenFirmware, OS X etc that the inline L2 cache is not used, but maybe it is just inherently enabled? I dont know exactly
 
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DearthnVader said:
Does BeOS not boot after the toolbox ROM has already loaded?

I know BootX for Linux did, but I never bothered to check the 604ev cache under Linux.
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yeah it chest-bursts its way out of MacOS like BootX does, but Linux under BootX never did report the 1MB of inline cache sadly


speaking of BeOS tho, I did a bit of experimentation with it regarding Video cards, System 7 at 1920x1080 never gets old :)

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BeOS will actually boot with a Radeon 9200, just riding the pre-existing Frame-buffer, buts still neat to see it does actually have a generic mode like that, however as one can see in the picture it seems to artificially limit itself to 1600x1200, I cant change any of the modes and theres lots of tearing as you would expect so it does seem to be in a generic mode but its still curious how it refuses to use all of the Frame buffer

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