Wasn't the guy who got his phone stolen working on the Antenna internally at Apple?
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PR Experts Suggest iPhone 4 Recall 'Inevitable' as Antenna Issue Snowballs
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Really? Even a person trying to make an emergency call to any authorities?
Wow you're a genius. This phone is FAIL. Get used to it fanboi.
Do you even have a simple clue as to how this defect works???
If you happen to be touching both black lines on the edge of the iPhone you DO NOT instantly drop a call.
The signal will eventually get weaker and weaker until it drops out a good 10 seconds later.
Trust me, if someone is using an iPhone to make a call in an emergency, they need to have some wits about them to even use the touch screen which has no tactile feel of buttons.
If you have to focus on touching the correct regions of a touch screen in order to make a simple call, you can focus on not having your finger or palm touching a 1 mm wide black line when you are holding it.
And I love all the name calling going on in these forums lately... What happened to the good old days in these forums before Apple became the juggernaut? I feel like I'm slumming it now when I browse through the forums. Nothing but flaming and trolls now.
Literally, thousands? As in a minimum of 2,000 MacRumors forum members who have reported problems with their iPhone 4's?
I challenge you to make a poll to back up this contention.
What would be a good idea is to release a new phone in September and allow people with the current iPhone to just turn them in for possibly a small fee.
"Thousands" means more than a thousand, not more than 2000.
I don't think it's been more than a thousand individual posters, though.
Again, like I told you before, this is explained by the fact that the problem is a 20 db drop in signal.
It very much depends on your initial signal. If you have -70 dbm, you're showing 5 bars. Holding the problem spot and losing 20 db means you're at -90 dbm and still showing 5 bars. If you start at -90 dbm, the 20 db drop puts you at -110 dbm, which is 1 bar.
This is why people say it's a design flaw, all units are affected, but depending on certain factors, you don't see it.
So couldn't that be a conflict between software and hardware and potentially pinning it to a software error
Honestly, you'd have to be stupid to expect your cell phone to survive multiple 4 or 5 feet drops to concrete or other hard material. They actually make rugged phones for that EXACT purpose. The iPhone is not one of them, and has never been advertised as such.
My iPhone 3GS survived 3-4 foot drops to concrete many times.
Highly unprobable that this is a software issue, seeing how your antenna doesn't have a touch sensor to know when you touch it. The weakened signal is there before any kind of software as access to manipulate it.
Just to fan the flames!
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I bought my very first mobile phone in around 1997, it was a Nokia 5110 I think. I owned maybe a dozen since, including 2 iPhones, but mostly Nokias. Even now I have one as that's what I use for making calls.
Anyway, I haven't only dropped phones but I've had all sorts of accidents with them. It's just a fact of life: if you use your phones, they might get stressed a bit. After all, they are not desktop computers. I don't like using cases but with the iPhone 3G, I started using one but mainly because of the slippery plastic kept slipping out of my pocket.
THEN Apple releases a handset with the marketing that we all saw and I just don't want to post with pictures again -
"Engineered Glass
All the breakthrough technology in iPhone 4 is situated between two glossy panels of aluminosilicate glass the same type of glass used in the windshields of helicopters and high-speed trains. Chemically strengthened to be 20 times stiffer and 30 times harder than plastic, the glass is ultradurable and more scratch resistant than ever. Its also recyclable."
(Source:www.apple.com/iphone/design/)
And should we not be surprised if the thing breaks easier than anything else?! It is like having a minor bump with your car and the windscreen shattering into your face - well, it's glass, what did we expect?!
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There have been plenty on both sides of the issues. It is actually only the engineers at Apple that really matter because there has not been a single engineer outside of Apple that has performed a test using a methodology any type of engineer would call reliable.
The most likely TRUTH is 1 or 2 bad batches which can easily be identified by serial numbers. Why 98% of IP4 users are reporting NO issues?
98%? Where do you get that figure from?
How do you know all units are affected? How do we know all units drop 20 DB when held in a certain manner?
We have no idea how many phones CR tested and what each phone registered for a loss in signal?
This problem could be wide spread, or it could be limited to a certain batch of phones from the same plant. It could be a design flaw or it could be a software issue in handling a de-tuned antenna signal.
There is no way you can jump to any conclusion given the limited amount of data and all of the variables.
Let Apple have time to test a lot of units, under controlled environments and see what they find out. I am sure they are looking at the problem now.
Speculation, what else? We have no figures just complaints and official denial
I think the 98% figure originally comes from thin air with strong AT&T reception under a tower in Narnia.
The poster just as well could have claimed 12%, but he/she wanted to post a high figure, otherwise it wouldn't work.
I think the 98% figure originally comes from thin air with strong AT&T reception under a tower in Narnia.
The poster just as well could have claimed 12%, but he/she wanted to post a high figure, otherwise it wouldn't work.
Because no one ever posted evidence to show the contrary and with the description of the problem and what is known about the design of the phone, it very much points to a design flaw.
I never said I know all units are affected, I said evidence points to all units being affected.
If you have new evidence to submit, please do so.
Funny quote from Digg comment:
I heard Steve Jobs got married last week. The wedding was great but the reception was terrible.
I heard Steve Jobs got married last week. The wedding was great but the reception was terrible.
@kernkraft
The fact that the glass on some iP4s cracks easily is a simple oversight by Apple Inc. See when the crates arrive from China Stevo jumps in his souped-up Prius, drives down to the docks, takes out his magic wand and applies his "woo woo" to them. Some crates must have slipped by Stevo that's all. Same with the "reception issue".
The fact that the glass on some iP4s cracks easily is a simple oversight by Apple Inc. See when the crates arrive from China Stevo jumps in his souped-up Prius, drives down to the docks, takes out his magic wand and applies his "woo woo" to them. Some crates must have slipped by Stevo that's all. Same with the "reception issue".
Actually, I quoted you saying "all units are affected" from your previous post. You did not say "evidence points to all units being affected".
But aside from being nit-picky about the exact quote, my point was that there is not enough evidence to point to anything with any degree of certainty. There are too many variables.
The best course of action is "DON'T PANIC". Wait for the engineers at Apple to conduct a number of tests in controlled environments, on a large number of phones.
All cell phone signals are impeded by hand placement relative to the antenna.
Apple's iphone 4 antenna is external therefore it probably performs better than most to begin with. The radio software may be set too sensitive so that when the antenna de-tunes due to hand placement it is adversely effected. It is possible that if such is the case, a software adjustment might allow for the radio to handle situations where the antenna is de-tuned.
It is not necessarily a design flaw.
Are you old enough to remember the Motorola StarTak phones? They had a telescoping antenna. Originally Motorola had the radio set to work efficiently with the antenna extended. But consumers never pulled the antenna up but yet complained about poor reception. So Motorola updated the software in the phone to make better use of the antenna when it was down and instantly reception improved for thousands of StarTak users.
Let Apple figure out what kind of problem we are looking at and let them provide the solution. Their engineers are usually good at trouble shooting odd problems.
If you are really dis-satisfied, return the phone.
I disagree about your interpretation of the word "thousands", but for the sake of argument, I would find it acceptable if alhedges produces a poll which shows just 1,000 MacRumors forum members reporting problems with their iPhone 4's.
I have not dropped one single call and other people I know with the new iPhone have not dropped calls either. This is being blown way out of proportion.