PR Experts Suggest iPhone 4 Recall 'Inevitable' as Antenna Issue Snowballs

[Archeriomc]

Crazy

I can reproduce signal reduction on every since device I own when I touch the antenna.

So I don't see what the fuss is all about.

Here here!!! We live in a country that has a great big percentage of cry babys. Due to the uneducated you will never convince these people that if you touch it you will degrade it's performance, duh!!
Give them a blackberry and hit the road jack.

 

[alixain]

Thats Not good....

 

[wovel]

You have a gross misunderstanding about the term 'product recall'. I also put it to you that your understanding of quality and 'buying things' would need an update.

I agree Apples solution would not be duct tape, but it also would not be taking all the phones back and throwing them in the trash either.. Toyota did not actually take back however many million cars, in fact their "solution" during the recall was much closer to duct tape than anything else.

 

[robeddie]

Have any tests been conducted to compare a positive or negative correlation dropped calls and signal strength? Meaning, if the bars drop to 1-2 from this issue, have there been any actual signal loss and/or increased dropped calls? Bars do not necessarily equate to loss of signal, and in fact generally have little to do with the ability to make or receive calls.




True. I do not know, however as many have pointed out, it's a phone, and some people need perspective. This doesn't mean intelligent discourse is unnecessary, it means that those who spend an excessive amount of time (and some of which is heated) on this subject could better spend their time on more important things. Take offense all you want, it is a truly valid point (and not just here, but in many aspects of life in general).

Back on true point, any response to my question above?

Watch the consumer reports video. They show a rather 'dramatic' 20 decibal drop in signal strength when touching the iphone in the suspect corner. Which, they conclude, can often result in dropped calls.

 

[3282868]

Watch the consumer reports video. They show a rather 'dramatic' 20 decibal drop in signal strength when touching the iphone in the suspect corner.

Does that mean no calls can be made? Just curious and thanks for tolerating my rant .

 

[robeddie]

Does that mean no calls can be made? Just curious and thanks for tolerating my rant .

Yes, they say that's much more dramatic a drop than other phones, and can easily result in dropped calls.

 

[kernkraft]

It amazes me that iPhone owners feel like their product should be exempt from that.

Also, to the notion that you pay more for the iPhone and therefore you deserve better? You don't.

Again, it must be the stupid customers' fault! Who else should be blamed for making the wrong decision?

But it seems that the list below needs scrutiny:

 

[shambo]

If you hold the phone like a chimp while you are making an emergency call, it's your own fault...

Do you own an iPhone 4?

You have absolutely no idea how anyone may be holding there phone trying to make an emergency call in any dire situation.

Yes I own an iFail 4. Of what business is it of yours?

 

[silentnite]

I seen something like this coming to apple in fact I mention it in a past posting. The best apple can do at this point is fix the mistake at whatever cost. Ignoring the problem is a result of getting way to big to fast. You don't like to be told your wrong.

 

[wovel]

Yes, they say that's much more dramatic a drop than other phones, and can easily result in dropped calls.

What other phones are shown in the video? How did they decide where to touch them?

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[cmChimera]

The fact is apple was making a big deal over the strength of this glass, yet it seems to easy to break.

On the other hand my iPhone 2g never once broke , even when I dropped it on a treadmill which caused a large dent and just a small( but deep) scratch on the glass. If that happened on the 3G ( which has broke over 3 times by the smallest of drops) and this iPhone 4 they would fall apart.

I think your, obviously, very scientific test is very convincing.


Users in this forum have reported iPhone 4 survival stories. You should check them out.

You should not expect a cell phone to respond positively to drops. It doesn't matter what the glass is advertised as, you should be careful with the phone.

 

[robeddie]

What other phones are shown in the video? How did they decide where to touch them?

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Alright, i guess im taking their word for it.

I guess you would say i shouldnt, since youll say consumer reports has build their brand and reputation over the years by lying about produts they test.

 

[ModestForumName]

I like how you can tell who actually HAS an iPhone 4 and who just claims to have one for bashing purposes. If you have an iPhone 4 you wouldn't be complaining about "all the flaws" in it because if you HAD one you'd find that they work perfectly fine in NORMAL conditions. Notice there are very few who have LEGITIMATE complaints about their iPhones. justsaying

 

[Jimrod]

I like how you can tell who actually HAS an iPhone 4 and who just claims to have one for bashing purposes. If you have an iPhone 4 you wouldn't be complaining about "all the flaws" in it because if you HAD one you'd find that they work perfectly fine in NORMAL conditions. Notice there are very few who have LEGITIMATE complaints about their iPhones. justsaying

Legitimate - 3G web browsing, held in left hand "normally" and all browsing stops.

I tested as per photo's below, 1st shot is resting on table second with one fingertip over the black bar, very little pressure (less than holding in hand). Just because you don't have a problem don't presume you have to be crazy to experience it or making it up.

I consider "normal" to be holding the phone in your left palm when browsing the internet - as a right hander, it's actually awkward to hold the phone another way when doing this.

 

[cmaier]

I like how you can tell who actually HAS an iPhone 4 and who just claims to have one for bashing purposes. If you have an iPhone 4 you wouldn't be complaining about "all the flaws" in it because if you HAD one you'd find that they work perfectly fine in NORMAL conditions. Notice there are very few who have LEGITIMATE complaints about their iPhones. justsaying

What do you mean by the last sentence? Many people have legitimate complaints. I have two iphone 4's that get no reception in my house if held in hand, and I even have a microcell. My 3gs's work fine (so I switched my own phone back to that). What's not legitimate about that complaint? Many others have similar complaints.

Out and about, trying to surf the web using 3g - doesn't work when I hold the phone in my left hand. Crappy data speeds and pages don't load. iphone 3gs works fine. what's not legitimate about that complaint?

Frequently took the iphone 4 out of my pocket to find incoming calls had gone straight to voice mail. Hasn't happened since I switched back to my 3gs. Not legitimate?

 

[ryanwarsaw]

Because people are dying?

No because of the magnitude of the recall and the impact it will have an Apple's brand image.

 

[cmChimera]

Legitimate - 3G web browsing, held in left hand "normally" and all browsing stops.

I tested as per photo's below, 1st shot is resting on table second with one fingertip over the black bar, very little pressure (less than holding in hand). Just because you don't have a problem don't presume you have to be crazy to experience it or making it up.

I consider "normal" to be holding the phone in your left palm when browsing the internet - as a right hander, it's actually awkward to hold the phone another way when doing this.

I certainly can not duplicate this. I can if I squeeze entirely too tight with my entire hand, but definitely not holding it normally.

 

[SiliconTlaco]

No problem!!!

Mi iPhone 4 NO tiene ningún problema de señal ya lo tape por todos lados y no pierdo nunca la señal, entonces? que dicen a eso? Para mi que es pura mala publicidad y envidia!!!!

 

[Jimrod]

I certainly can not duplicate this. I can if I squeeze entirely too tight with my entire hand, but definitely not holding it normally.

Probably depends on signal strength, 3G is patchy in my house - had 5 bars here but not unusual to have 2 or 3 so I'm guessing it's a weak 5 bars... I tried to test as fairly as poss so left the phone on the table and just pressed my other finger lightly on the screen to hold the phone in place while I touched the black strip - I would take a video but it's kinda hard when you are testing with the phone that you'd use to video! Maybe I'll find a mirror...

 

[ModestForumName]

What do you mean by the last sentence? Many people have legitimate complaints. I have two iphone 4's that get no reception in my house if held in hand, and I even have a microcell. My 3gs's work fine (so I switched my own phone back to that). What's not legitimate about that complaint? Many others have similar complaints.

Out and about, trying to surf the web using 3g - doesn't work when I hold the phone in my left hand. Crappy data speeds and pages don't load. iphone 3gs works fine. what's not legitimate about that complaint?

Frequently took the iphone 4 out of my pocket to find incoming calls had gone straight to voice mail. Hasn't happened since I switched back to my 3gs. Not legitimate?

well that would be legitimate. I'm talking about the trollers who have no concept of what the iP4 experience is really like and just producing false claims about 50 friends who experience something they just read about skimming through a few pages on forums. Those are the more obvious cases

 

[RHatton]

You have absolutely no idea how anyone may be holding there phone trying to make an emergency call in any dire situation.

Yes I own an iFail 4. Of what business is it of yours?

You made it everyones business when you tried to stir things up on an internet forum in a thread regarding the iPhone 4.

Your posts are as far a polar opposite of constructive as humanly possible. Instead of complaining(which you have proven you have expertise), interject with valuable information or input that might actually constructively contribute to this thread. Then again...never mind, that's obviously asking too much from someone of your caliber.

The iPhone 4 reception issue is indefinite. It may be hardware, it may be software. You don't know, I don't know. My best guess? I think its software because the relevance of a glitch in the software seems viable to me. Maybe not for you.

PS. My previous post was not serious.

 

[Sharpdressedman]

Just fix it.

 

[bergmef]

Can't the phones be taken back for a replacement or 100% refund?

 

[mubaili]

Which stage is Apple in?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kübler-Ross_model

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

Which stage is Apple and Steve Jobs are in now ?

 

[kernkraft]

I like how you can tell who actually HAS an iPhone 4 and who just claims to have one for bashing purposes. If you have an iPhone 4 you wouldn't be complaining about "all the flaws" in it because if you HAD one you'd find that they work perfectly fine in NORMAL conditions. Notice there are very few who have LEGITIMATE complaints about their iPhones. justsaying

well that would be legitimate. I'm talking about the trollers who have no concept of what the iP4 experience is really like and just producing false claims about 50 friends who experience something they just read about skimming through a few pages on forums. Those are the more obvious cases

Why do you feel that it's necessary to defend Apple Inc's design mistake? A few moaners wouldn't be able to maintain this level of public outrage. Masses of people experience the problem and mainstream news outlets also picked up on it.