Preliminary iPhone 1.1.1 'Jailbreak', Ringtones Soon?

[/dev/toaster]

Forgetting 3rd party apps...what is Apple going to do about those countries that require phones to be unlocked?

Skip those markets and focus on the U.S.?

What if a major U.S. state (e.g. Kalifornia) adopts "must-unlock" legislation?

Pretty much ... they will skip those countries and I doubt any state would ever be able to pull that off. The FCC would over ride that, not to mention the carriers would fight the crap out of it. Even if it passed, I am willing to get those carriers would pull out of that state very fast, at the cost of many jobs which would only make matters worse.

Sad thing is, we are stuck with it in the US and it will never change.

 

[elgruga]

Not sure what this forum was about today, but MacBoySeattle decided to liven it up with his comments.

Trouble is, MacBoySeattle, you didnt attach any FACTS or FIGURES, did you?

We know that Apple outsold ALL other 'smartphones' in the time that its been available, and we have some numbers from AmbitiousLemon who has some track record here.

I'll go with his numbers - unless you have some to post?

There are many phones out there that do various things - trouble is they all do them:

(A) on Windows mobile or other terrible OS/UI combinations.

(B) Badly and buried 8 menus deep.

(C) screens the size of postage stamps

(D) No inter-connections between apps, the way Apple does it.

One report said that it took a person with a Nokia 4 HOURS to configure his email, as opposed to approx. 2 minutes on the iPhone.

95% of people think the iPhone is the best thing since sliced bread - FAR better than all the others.

I believe they are right.

As for the unlocking attempts in play now, I dont think its going to be as easy as the first one (which took 6 weeks) and the issue here is also the unlocking of the SIM which seems to be impossible.

Of course the iPhone will be hacked, but the effort/reward ratio looks increasingly unattractive.

Like most, I will stick with 1.0.2 until Apple sell in Canada, then I will join the club.

Perhaps the Revolution might be saved for bigger issues than this.....?

 

[elgruga]

AAPL: 167.91 ( +6.4601 )

Frankly, I've been through tech phases myself where I want to slap a V-8 on my lawnmower,

Good post.

Er...do you have that V-8/Briggs and Stratton replacement schematic?

 

[nukiduz]

Just now from #iTouch on irc.isx86.hu:

17:48 < Niacin_work> ok so we just verified it
17:48 < Niacin_work> the itouch has been cracked
17:48 < Niacin_work>
17:48 < Niacin_work> www.toc2rta.com start the donations hehe

This is no further than a couple of hours

 

[3282872]

Newton

I recall reading a rumor on here that Apple might be releasing a multi-touch PDA next year or so, something in the view of Newton II. Maybe Apple wants to keep third party applications out of the iPhone to make a pure PDA more marketable if that rumor were true? Just a random thought...

 

[elgruga]

I need to go for a bike ride, its a holiday up here in the Icy North aka, the Wet Coast, BUT - one more post:

I just want to say that the iPhone is SO MUCH better than ALL the other phones out there.

I have used many of them, and I dread the crap I have to go through to get them to do what I want.

I had a Sony Ericsson MP3 phone a couple of months back - the W810i.
Couldnt listen to MP3's without a big hassle, couldnt see the keys (too small) - I was amazed at its crapness - then I remembered Windows and all the pain we have to go through because of M$ and other greedy lazy fools.

Anyway, it was so bad, I sold it, and brought my Razr back into operation.
So the Razr, my iPod, and my Palm TX. Missed phone calls, too many adaptors and BS - aaaaargh!

Then the iPhone - got one from a guy who had brought them from Seattle, unlocked, plugged into Rogers GSM network (Canada).
Happiness!

Gave the iPod to a friend, sold the Palm TX, sold the Razr.

Then yesterday, I saw the new ads - and there is that guy saying 'just one thing'.
'I take my wallet and my iPhone' - YES, thats the point!

 

[offwidafairies]

ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT IPHONE HACKS?????????????????????
arrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

 

[manu chao]

It seems obvious to me. AT&T doesn't want iChat installed. AT&T makes a ton of money off text messaging. Something like 1000% profit. If they open up the iPhone, then you can bypass text messaging.

Someone will develope an VoIP application for the iPhones soon enough. Then you won't need your minutes either.

Sure, Apple also keeps the iPhone closed for user experience and stability reasons but VoIP (and to a lesser extent IM) would denigrate the carriers to ISPs. The main difference between the iPhone and most other phones is that the iPhone runs a pretty fully-fledged Unix.

 

[LastZion]

Just now from #iTouch on irc.isx86.hu:

17:48 < Niacin_work> ok so we just verified it
17:48 < Niacin_work> the itouch has been cracked
17:48 < Niacin_work>
17:48 < Niacin_work> www.toc2rta.com start the donations hehe

This is no further than a couple of hours

Great news, I surely will be donating once everything is opened up again.
Thanks for all your hard work everyone!

 

[madmaxmedia]

Breaking: iPod touch root read access achieved
http://www.tuaw.com/2007/10/08/breaking-ipod-touch-root-read-access-achieved/

And here's a screen grab of a Jailbroken 1.1.1 iPhone to whet your appetite-

(from http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10373)

 

[GQB]

The dilemma is that Apple has entered a new market and seems bent on stifling the creativity it so boldly embraced as their corporate philosophy in their "Think Different" campaign

What? Civilized discourse in the midst of 'Apple is SATAN'?... I'm sooo confused.

I agree with your premise, but not your conclusion.
Apple has indeed entered a new market. A market of people who want to open the box, and without hours of study, make a call, take a picture, play a song, browse the web, see a movie or send an email. (BTW.... just think about that for a second.)
These users are neither dumb nor uncreative. They simply want their focus to be on their lives and tasks, not on the device.
Those who argue for the right to hack into a 12-week old operating system and firmware would surely like to (lets face it) establish technical reputation, get in on the ground floor of a nascent $10 crapware market, or drive the direction of the platform.
Very creative and diligent folks. Hats off.

But again... you're not the market. And if you want a phone on another network, then there are dozens out there for you to choose from. (Oh yeah, none of them hold a candle to the iPhone... thats why you're hell-bent using only it.)
I repeat... I submit that the more the Apple cat keeps bitch-slapping the trespassing mice, the more users with an interest in platform stability will embrace it.

 

[EagerDragon]

Here we go again.

You know this wont last at all, do you?
When Leopard comes out in about 3 weeks there is going to be another patch, a real compeling one, those that hacked the phone will be salivating over it and cursing that they cant update.

I expect a lot more bricks.

 

[Virgil-TB2]

not multi-touch

You mean like this:

http://www.openmoko.org/

No multi-touch with that though.

just plain old touch.

 

[Chris Welch]

Here we go again.

You know this wont last at all, do you?
When Leopard comes out in about 3 weeks there is going to be another patch, a real compeling one, those that hacked the phone will be salivating over it and cursing that they cant update.

I expect a lot more bricks.

Why does it seem like some of you are so against people getting third party apps on this thing?

And 1.1.1 didn't brick most "hacked" phones in the first place. Well, as long as you didn't unlock the phone.

 

[3282872]

What? Civilized discourse in the midst of 'Apple is SATAN'?... I'm sooo confused.

I agree with your premise, but not your conclusion.
Apple has indeed entered a new market. A market of people who want to open the box, and without hours of study, make a call, take a picture, play a song, browse the web, see a movie or send an email. (BTW.... just think about that for a second.)
These users are neither dumb nor uncreative. They simply want their focus to be on their lives and tasks, not on the device.
Those who argue for the right to hack into a 12-week old operating system and firmware would surely like to (lets face it) establish technical reputation, get in on the ground floor of a nascent $10 crapware market, or drive the direction of the platform.
Very creative and diligent folks. Hats off.

But again... you're not the market. And if you want a phone on another network, then there are dozens out there for you to choose from. (Oh yeah, none of them hold a candle to the iPhone... thats why you're hell-bent using only it.)
I repeat... I submit that the more the Apple cat keeps bitch-slapping the trespassing mice, the more users with an interest in platform stability will embrace it.

Totally agree. Solid points. I suppose my only issue is with Apple relentlessly blocking third party applications (as a Cingular customer before the iPhone was released, my issue isn't with unlocking it for use on another network, as you stated, if you want a phone on another network, there are plenty to chose from). Of course it makes sense that these development teams may interfere with the iPhone's basic structure in attempting to hack it (either for third party applications or unlocking the SIM) and I'm sure some of them are doing so only to challenge and/or prove themselves to others. However, I wish Apple would open the device for third party applications or at least sell them through the iTunes store, I'd be willing to pay for regulated applications that Apple has tested to ensure stability and performance are not hindered. Yet, the other side to all this is that OS X is already an open platform on all other Mac devices (iPod's excluded), and there are no issues with third party applications adversely effecting Mac OS X (or at least none that come to mind). Ugh, I don't know lol. So much to consider. In the end, opening up the iPhone and working with developers to ensure a positive result does seem like a fair option. I wonder why Apple isn't releasing a true SDK. Time will tell.

 

[3282872]

No multi-touch with that though.

just plain old touch.

You know, as great as multi-touch is I was wondering how useful this really is on such a small screen as the iPhone. I love it, don't get me wrong, it's FANTASTIC that Apple has this technology and I would love to see it in larger devices. However, as I have used the iPhone the only application that really uses two finger gestures is the Photo application, and there isn't much screen room to work with that warrants it even then. Ok, I know I will be flamed for this lol. Just a thought.

Ok, update, I take it back. Google maps, multi-touch is perfect when I use it. Ok, so that's two lol.

 

[Mackan]

If the iPhone will not be unlocked before next update, it will be interesting to see whether the update will break the jailbreak... Apple said they would stay neutral to 3rd party applications. And even more interesting to see what happens with the iPod touch...

 

[Bosunsfate]

You know, as great as multi-touch is I was wondering how useful this really is on such a small screen as the iPhone. I love it, don't get me wrong, it's FANTASTIC that Apple has this technology and I would love to see it in larger devices. However, as I have used the iPhone the only application that really uses two finger gestures is the Photo application, and there isn't much screen room to work with that warrants it even then. Ok, I know I will be flamed for this lol. Just a thought.

Ok, update, I take it back. Google maps, multi-touch is perfect when I use it. Ok, so that's two lol.

The multi-touch is the hidden gem in all of this. IMO.

And I too, look forward to what new devices will utilize it as well. In our development shop there are a lot of ideas about other practical applications for multi-touch capabilities. But that's another thread.

As for the iPhone, I think there is still alot more to come. After all it is the 1st gen. Look at what 5 generations of the iPod has brought.

One argument for 3rd party applications is that more people looking at how to utilize that power will yield more fruit.

But I still maintain that tight control is better than an open door. What Apple should do...I hope that this is in their plans, is to provide a SDK for the multi-touch side of things. Especially if it allows us to create our own gestures.

 

[TitoC]

You know, as great as multi-touch is I was wondering how useful this really is on such a small screen as the iPhone. I love it, don't get me wrong, it's FANTASTIC that Apple has this technology and I would love to see it in larger devices. However, as I have used the iPhone the only application that really uses two finger gestures is the Photo application, and there isn't much screen room to work with that warrants it even then. Ok, I know I will be flamed for this lol. Just a thought.

Ok, update, I take it back. Google maps, multi-touch is perfect when I use it. Ok, so that's two lol.

Here's a few more for ya:
(3) Email
(4) Email attachments
(5) Safari

 

[3282872]

Here's a few more for ya:
(3) Email
(4) Email attachments
(5) Safari

LOL Yeah, yeah, I get it now. Safari, definitely, it makes zooming in and out easy, BUT I happen to like the "double tap" feature better. Double tapping pulls up just the section you want to zoom into perfectly, taking away the need for stretching with multi-touch.

Email, haven't used multi-touch in that other than to look at attachments. Reading email, not so much although I would like landscape mode for emails, it'd be a lot easier to read in widescreen mode. Otherwise, Safari, Photo's and Google Maps, definitely, multi-touch helps, so I bow to you, I have been proven wrong. (although I still think it would be great for use in a monitor, not as the only HID, but as an additional alternative in photoshopping and such, it'd be awesome).

 

[pake]

If the iPhone will not be unlocked before next update, it will be interesting to see whether the update will break the jailbreak... Apple said they would stay neutral to 3rd party applications. And even more interesting to see what happens with the iPod touch...

This is what seems obvious to me: Like with the music labels (if DRM gets cracked), Apple has an agreement with AT&T, that if the phone gets unlocked, they have some weeks to fix it; this is maybe why the 1.1.1 update was delayed a little, because it coincided with the unlocking of the device. So they will stay neutral to applications but not to unlocking, now, if to stop the unlocking they break the 3rd party applications, well it's like they said "they are not going to maliciously design updates, but they won't care if they break them."

I just wanted to give all the people working on getting the 3rd party applications and unlocking on 1.1.1 best of lucks! I really appreciate all the work you're investing in.

 

[3282872]

But I still maintain that tight control is better than an open door. What Apple should do...I hope that this is in their plans, is to provide a SDK for the multi-touch side of things. Especially if it allows us to create our own gestures.

That would be great! Never thought of that, configuring your own gestures. Wasn't there a patent that Apple filed for a multi-touch pad with configurable gestures posted on Macrumors? Sounds familiar.

 

[Stella]

Functionality over looks

(A) on Windows mobile or other terrible OS/UI combinations.

My Nokia, which has a reputation for not having a good UI but that goes 3 deep - i think your over exaggerating, with the 8 levels.

(B) Badly and buried 8 menus deep.

Again, another exaggeration, plenty of phones have large enough screens - certainly larger than postage stamps.

(C) screens the size of postage stamps

Then you haven't used enough cell phones.

(D) No inter-connections between apps, the way Apple does it.

Another report said someone thought the iPhone sucked.... To configure my Nokia for email for 3 email addresses took me 5 minutes. If it took them for 4 hours then they are complete retards. Its not that difficult.

One report said that it took a person with a Nokia 4 HOURS to configure his email, as opposed to approx. 2 minutes on the iPhone.

Over 90% of desktop computing is windows based. So windows must be the best.

95% of people think the iPhone is the best thing since sliced bread - FAR better than all the others.

It took me LESS than 5 minutes to upload my ringtones from my previous phone, and set up the tones for SMS, MMS ( Oh, iPhone can't do MMS ), incoming calls, etc. Oh sorry, iPhone can't do that - Apple ( and Apple alone - not RIAA enforced ) forces you to re-purchase your ring tones from iTunes.

When I went abroad, to save on calls, I could change my SIM card to a local SIM card. Oops, iPhone can't do that either - you have to pay for expensive roaming.

A lot of basic functionality you can get from a cheap cell phone, strangely, is lacking from the $399 iPhone. Very, very, very strange indeed.

Nokia allows me to freely install the many many excellent *native* 3rd party applications out there that enrich the phones ability. I don't drop calls, crash the eastern Rogers network or brick my phone as a result. If I want to, I can also install widgets ( like OSX widgets ) too.

 

[rjwill246]

Time for a recap

1. Apple has produced a phone that works with only one carrier and that is because there was no other way to make this business plan work.
2. ATT deserves to have some time to recoup on its investment.
3. Apple has every right to update the phone whenever and however it wants. If that breaks all applications that Apple does not sanction and bricks unlocked phones, that is not Apple's problem nor ATT's, since all of these maneuvers are legal.
3. After a period of time- 90 days it seems for ATT- the iPhone should be able to be unlocked. That is ATT's very OWN standard and I can't see how they can defend any other practice.
4. Apple can still update the iPhone and stop the unlocking process legally. Apple is after all, the maker, not the carrier. This is why this relationship- Apple and ATT is so interesting- since it almost creates a grey area of responsibility. The glutinous lawyers of the Class Action Suit ilk are taking advantage of that.
5. Glutinous lawyers of the CAi, are parasites since there has not been one shred of merit expressed in any of the complaints.
6. Greedy consumers want to use Apple/ATT as a lottery ticket. Good luck- may you lose.
7. Immature nitwits posting on here do not understand the basis of risk/reward and thus have no sympathy for companies that go out on a limb to provide a new and extraordinary experience. Let my bias show-- I bet these people do P2P... why not? It is the "what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine too and NO I won't pay you" mentality. It's very discouraging because these might be people I have to deal with in a business transaction.. er, wait... no!! They couldn't put a dime and nickel together to make 15 cents. Whew!! I got worried or a moment.

Similar lines of thinking coming out of schizophrenic China where greedy rampant capitalism is aided and abetted by deep seated Communism. thus, all the pirating.
Thus, the rash of lawsuits against Apple-- has anyone noted who has instigated many of the suits? And no, I am not a racist but when it quacks it's a duck-- prove me wrong!
8. ATT, stop ripping off roamers.

 

[EagerDragon]

Why does it seem like some of you are so against people getting third party apps on this thing?

And 1.1.1 didn't brick most "hacked" phones in the first place. Well, as long as you didn't unlock the phone.

Simple Apple created the phone with the intention that it was not hacked. I have no issue with putting applications on the iPhone, but doing it via a bug / security flaw is dangerours and will be closed shortly. Just like you can install a nice application you can also end up installing a virus, trojan horse or worm. Uses the same exact principle. How do you know the place you are downloading these programs from have not been penetrated?

Sorry, I do understand the desire for more apps, they are coming, have patience, dont put yourself and others at risk.