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No we aren't. People and families that can't afford gas aren't going out to buy 65,000 dollar electric cars that require much larger amounts of fossil fuel to charge the batteries made with ten times more fossils fuel to be manufactured than a normal car to be charge with electricity that gets generated through fossil fuels, on top of the fact that if everyone got electric vehicles, we would then need to do rolling black outs as there wouldn't be enough juice in the power grid to charge all these electric vehicles with green energy. You are misinformed on the current realities of the situation. The Dems are trying to push this change overnight. This is something that will take decades.



I'm paying attention to everything in great detail. This country is being screwed by both sides. I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make. All I can see is you willfully ignoring half the story.

Nevermind even if we could ALL get EV's, that doesn't stop that everything you buy gets delivered on a truck thats correlated to the price of gas and diesel and the cost gets passed along to the consumer. On top of inflation from negligent printing of money as if it grows on trees.

But its somehow greedy businesses that have collectively conspired across all industries, as 'late stage capitalism' to create hyperinflation. Not our basic understanding of what causes inflation, regardless of which political side its coming from.

DAMN MANCHIN AND SINEMA! HOW DARE THEM QUESTION EVEN FOR A MOMENT A 3 TRILLION DOLLAR SPENDING BILL THAT WE'VE SEEN ZERO RETURN ON.

#BuildBackBetter
 
I didn't mean now. I meant as a civilization we are switching. So in about 20-30 years the majority of cars will be EV until we find another better solution.

Owning a car is expensive to be honest. Eventually, I think most people will not be owners as we might shift more to 'renting' cars. That model already works in most big cities and is actually very convenient.
Anyway, EV is the future and we will get there eventually. That transition started so the better we can all get there the better we can all be.

Also, the tech advances super fast now so imagine where the tech will be in 10-20 years




We are not all switching to EV. It costs an insignificant little detail called money. In approaching a recession, personal expenditures get narrowed even more.

Again- the arrogance and elitism of the Democrat party to assume people moaning about gas and grocery prices and housing costs can shell out for a shiny new automobile.
 
I didn't mean now. I meant as a civilization we are switching. So in about 20-30 years the majority of cars will be EV until we find another better solution.

Owning a car is expensive to be honest. Eventually, I think most people will not be owners as we might shift more to 'renting' cars. That model already works in most big cities and is actually very convenient.
Anyway, EV is the future and we will get there eventually. That transition started so the better we can all get there the better we can all be.

Also, the tech advances super fast now so imagine where the tech will be in 10-20 years

That's great, I will be on the edge of my seat waiting for this beautiful 20-30 year transition to be fully realized.

Pain at the pump now is for the greater good, is the argument.

it went from 'not Biden's fault' to 'he has a vision.'

You're really digging Klaus Schwab's rhetoric I see : you will own nothing and you will be happy!

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Not against unions, though I do think in many cases they are no longer necessary or needed with current labour laws. I wonder how long it will be before Apple prices increase to go along with the wage increases and other benefits the unions will start fighting for.
Nope!

Unions are needed. In many labor sectors, depending on the power-holders to "do the right thing" never works out. Unions provide a measure of checks and balances.
 
I didn't mean now. I meant as a civilization we are switching. So in about 20-30 years the majority of cars will be EV until we find another better solution.

Owning a car is expensive to be honest. Eventually, I think most people will not be owners as we might shift more to 'renting' cars. That model already works in most big cities and is actually very convenient.
Anyway, EV is the future and we will get there eventually. That transition started so the better we can all get there the better we can all be.

Also, the tech advances super fast now so imagine where the tech will be in 10-20 years
You really are neck deep in this nonsense, even if you are well-intentioned. You're now talking about socialism in regards to renting our cars in which you are okay with owning nothing and liking it. I want to own all the things I work very hard for. Thanks.
 
I'm no fan of Trump. In fact I despise him as a human being but gas prices weren't $10/gallon when he was in office either.
GOP caused much of the current inflationary pressures from reduction of taxes to absurd 2020 stimuli. Pre-Covid was time to tighten fiscal (and monetary) policy - not create the start of absurd P/E multiples and all but guarantee future inflation. Those checks (proudly signed by DJ Trump) were issued while there was the most severe strain on supplies of goods in modern times. GDP and markets sure looked good on the surface when the Donald left. However, it’s a short sighted measure of success with government or business upon a leader’s departure. 1-2 years+ demonstrates long-term, foundational moves made during predecessor’s tenure. GOP exhausted many government tools at the end of an economic expansion cycle 👏🤡
 
You can't get a tax credit for a Tesla anymore because Tesla sold their 200,000 vehicle in 2018 and it has been completely phased out



When other automakers like GM and Ford sell their 200,000th EV, tax credits will be phased out for them too.

This has nothing to do with Elon. Stop spreading B.S. lies.
You are correct about that being the CURRENT state of things. I stand corrected. But I will re-phrase and reiterate the sentiment. Biden has PUBLICLY stated that his plans are to offer exclusive credits (if legislation can be passed) for EVs that are manufactured by unionized auto factories. THAT is dumb. If promoting EV's with tax credits is a way to spur more people to drive them and to get more automakers to build them... as a way to help the environment, I am not opposed. Making the credits for AMERICAN made cars only is even an agenda I can get behind. It benefits this country. But tying the credits to unionization status is not acceptable.
 
GOP caused much of the current inflationary pressures from reduction of taxes to absurd 2020 stimuli. Pre-Covid was time to tighten fiscal (and monetary) policy - not create the start of absurd P/E multiples and all but guarantee future inflation. Those checks (proudly signed by DJ Trump) were issued while there was the most severe strain on supplies of goods in modern times. GDP and markets sure looked good on the surface when the Donald left. However, it’s a short sighted measure of success with government or business upon a leader’s departure. 1-2 years+ demonstrates long-term, foundational moves made during predecessor’s tenure. GOP exhausted many government tools at the end of an economic expansion cycle 👏🤡

Not to mention Trump actually made a deal in April 2020 to cut oil output for 2 years until April 2022. Which further killed domestic production and led to the closure of another US refinery.
This also gave Putin 2 Years of elevated oil price which let him bank cash, enabling him to attack Ukraine and withstand the sanctions he knew would be implemented when he did.
 
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GOP caused much of the current inflationary pressures from reduction of taxes to absurd 2020 stimuli. Pre-Covid was time to tighten fiscal (and monetary) policy - not create the start of absurd P/E multiples and all but guarantee future inflation. Those checks (proudly signed by DJ Trump) were issued while there was the most severe strain on supplies of goods in modern times. GDP and markets sure looked good on the surface when the Donald left. However, it’s a short sighted measure of success with government or business upon a leader’s departure. 1-2 years+ demonstrates long-term, foundational moves made during predecessor’s tenure. GOP exhausted many government tools at the end of an economic expansion cycle 👏🤡

I think the stimulus checks during the Trump administration were needed. The whole country was shut down.

I don't think the Biden stimulus check was needed. But it certainly helped him get a lot of votes...
 
GOP caused much of the current inflationary pressures from reduction of taxes to absurd 2020 stimuli. Pre-Covid was time to tighten fiscal (and monetary) policy - not create the start of absurd P/E multiples and all but guarantee future inflation. Those checks (proudly signed by DJ Trump) were issued while there was the most severe strain on supplies of goods in modern times. GDP and markets sure looked good on the surface when the Donald left. However, it’s a short sighted measure of success with government or business upon a leader’s departure. 1-2 years+ demonstrates long-term, foundational moves made during predecessor’s tenure. GOP exhausted many government tools at the end of an economic expansion cycle 👏🤡
Please stop blaming one side while ignoring the other. This is getting Twilight Zone level ridiculous.
 
I think the stimulus checks during the Trump administration were needed. The whole country was shut down.

I don't think the Biden stimulus check was needed. But it certainly helped him get a lot of votes...
Some assistance I agree - it was just largely overdone and misguided (stimuli and shut downs both).
 
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Let’s say every retail employee suddenly made $60,000 more than they make now, which is substantially more than double overall I suspect, that would cost an additional ~$4B/yr. That sounds like a lot, sure, but to put that in perspective Apple could never add money to their cash reserves and yet still pay that out of their cash reserves for the next century. On a income side Apple made $124B in revenue last *quarter*, let’s assume that suggests ~$500B/yr, the total sum here would be less than a 1% difference in revenue. And that’s not counting the fact that unions tend to reduce employee churn, a huge cost on the scale Apple employs at.

Don't forget to add the costs of inflation downstream, thus eroding the wage gains by said Magic Raise. The net effect could still be lower effective wages.

Stupid economic math...bites us every time!
 
I am not American and was not aware of the maternity leave. That is something your government should deal with as a human right and not be left up to your unions, especially if you want equality for all people, not just those who have a union to back them.

I hardly believe there is a big culture of Americans not taking time off work for vacation. I have travelled many times in the US and if it is not Americans in their RV's or at national parks, monuments and everything else you have to do then your influx of foreign tourists is pretty impressive, especially when they sport American flags on everything showing their host country pride.
Well @darcyf is a bit mistaken.. we have that, but it changed to "FMLA": family medical leave, which now includes men who became parents. Previously "maternity leave" was just for women (despite some culture and societal/peer pressure against it). Men had no such leave; we had to take standard "PTO" time.

FMLA also only protects "your job" at the company; it doesn't guarantee that you can come back and do the SAME work (it doesn't protect your position at the company) and that's just plain wrong (it was another "legislative compromise".. political crap).

No matter, we still need better labor laws all around.
 
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Uh... there is a union (of sorts) in place there already. It's called the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). But seriously... not all unions are good for all workers. I do hope this does result in better pay and working conditions for those who voted to unionize and I hope it sets a precedent. Working in the tech field for over 25 years there have scarcely been unions outside of manufacturing and people were often worked to the bone when ever possible. Vacations? Holidays? LOL Please.... not in IT you don't. haha
Why do you hope it leads to better wages? Do you know the wages of the people unionizing? How do you know they're not overpaid already?

Just how educated are you re: the wages and working conditions of employees who work in a mall, office or lab?

Do they work in risky environments or something?

People make a lot of assumptions here.

I think it's a mistake to reflexively cheer for unionization without more information.

Maybe it is a good thing, but I'm not sure that it is a good thing in and of itself.
 
Well @darcyf is a bit mistaken.. we have that, but it changed to "FMLA": family medical leave, which now includes men who became parents. Previously "maternity leave" was just for women (despite some culture and societal/peer pressure against it). Men had no such leave; we had to take standard "PTO" time.

FMLA also only protects "your job" at the company; it doesn't guarantee that you can come back and do the SAME work (it doesn't protect your position at the company) and that's just plain wrong (it was another "legislative compromise".. political crap).

No matter, we still need better labor laws all around.
Accurate.
 
"The only time in American politics when anything is really accomplished is when one party controls the house, senate and WH. This is currently not the case."

Thank you for confirming that democrats are not just useless (but that would be the bare minimum to attribute to them), but imo destructive seeing as how they do control all three. bravo!
Maybe you didn't ready the post that you quoted, because they do not control all three. For most important bills, a supermajority (2/3's) is needed. For other bills, a majority is needed, but acting D's like Manchin are not actually D's and receive R funding.
 
Maybe you didn't ready the post that you quoted, because they do not control all three. For most important bills, a supermajority (2/3's) is needed. For other bills, a majority is needed, but acting D's like Manchin are not actually D's and receive R funding.
They control all three. Manchin votes with the D's something like 90% of the time. Just not guns and fiscal irresponsibility.
 
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Do you know anyone who works in an Apple Store? They do a lot more than that.
Such as? I’ve been to an apple store probably 100 times. Some of those for repairs/swap outs some for purchases of stuff that I needed. So yes, I’ve had a staff member bring me something from the back. I’ve seen them stock some shelves.

Look, I enjoy going to the apple store. It’s a good experience, but I still don’t know what they need to protect themselves from.
 
I didn't mean now. I meant as a civilization we are switching. So in about 20-30 years the majority of cars will be EV until we find another better solution.

Owning a car is expensive to be honest. Eventually, I think most people will not be owners as we might shift more to 'renting' cars. That model already works in most big cities and is actually very convenient.
Anyway, EV is the future and we will get there eventually. That transition started so the better we can all get there the better we can all be.

Also, the tech advances super fast now so imagine where the tech will be in 10-20 years
Can’t argue with these types Frieda as their basic premises are flawed.

They act like there are immutable laws of nature that
a) constrain power generation to what we have now,
b) similarly prevent expanding charging station networks,
c) require batteries will have to be changed every couple years for tens of thousands of dollars,
d) batteries aren’t recyclable and will go in the curb trash like the flashlight batteries the toss in today,
e) everything has to happen all at once,
f) scale effects and competition won’t reduce prices,
g) similarly more investment faster into battery chemistry, manufacturing and recycling improvements, is pointless
h) new generation can’t be nuke, or more efficient carbon based generation replacing less efficient versions or home solar,
i) the deny, doubt, delay FUD they shovel today is different and not related in goal to the old FUD, and the incumbent interests, who have benefited from it,
j) infrastructure investments can’t be built in a day,
k) it’s all bird-killing burning windmills in a plot to control society.

There’s just a basic ignorance of how things get done, replaced with tribal thinking, mixed with fear of the new and the other, and loathing of folks trying to solve legacy problems become existential.
 
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GOP caused much of the current inflationary pressures from reduction of taxes to absurd 2020 stimuli. Pre-Covid was time to tighten fiscal (and monetary) policy - not create the start of absurd P/E multiples and all but guarantee future inflation. Those checks (proudly signed by DJ Trump) were issued while there was the most severe strain on supplies of goods in modern times. GDP and markets sure looked good on the surface when the Donald left. However, it’s a short sighted measure of success with government or business upon a leader’s departure. 1-2 years+ demonstrates long-term, foundational moves made during predecessor’s tenure. GOP exhausted many government tools at the end of an economic expansion cycle 👏🤡
It also bears noting that Trump tried to pressure the fed into more loosening when what was needed was a long slow pullback.

This was supposedly learned when Volcker (appointed by Carter, reappointed by Reagan) did this to overcome bad policy during Nixon that gave rise to stagflation under Ford.
 
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