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1. How do you know?
2. The fire department waited for someone to come unlock the door? Really???

Because the sky is not falling - and most Gov conspiracy are in novels. They wont knock down the door unless there is smoke and heat - not just an alarm.
 
I was very disappointed the way he misrepresented the Snowden info. He claimed that the only abuses of power occurred to people not on US soil. That runs counter to all the examples I saw of people using spy power for personal revenge.
 
It's a great question that needs answering, there is no solution right now and that bugs people because for some reason everyone wants to be one side or the other. If I had a child and he/she was kidnapped, there was a phone with information on but it was encrypted.... I'd want that company to have a way to access it too. I think every single pro Apple person here would suddenly change their tune f they were in that position too. So it isn't as simple as taking one side of the argument... besides encryption only needs to be as strong as the level of person/s who want to crack it. 99/9 percent of people aren't going to be hacked and the 0.1% don't bother to have an unsecure device at all... like the president.

Ultimately though, I don't care about my own security because I have nothing of any value. I'm obviously going to side on the position against Apple as a result, if someone leaks online that I wanked to this porn at this time... so be it, I don't care.
 
Do manufacturers of safes have a way to unlock the safes they manufacture? This is an honest question if anyone happens to have the answer. It seems like a good analog for what's going on here.

It depends on the safe. But some manufacturers of consumer safes keep records of the serial number and combination of every safe they manufacture.

This can be useful if the owner died and did not give the combination to any relatives.

With the consumer type safes I'm familiar with, the combination can be changed. So if that happens then the combination that the manufacturer is useless.
 
**** Obama.

Treasonous scumbag.

Obama is technologically inept. I'd expect nothing less from a community organizer who still uses a Blackberry and merrily conducts extrajudicial assassinations of American citizens and routinely flies Pentagon drones all over the United States.

Obama is a totalitarian at heart. Worst president...ever.

No, no we don't. We recognize it as ******** security theater.

Omg - I expected some Obama lovefest not real truth. Well done sirs, a tip of the hat to you both.

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I love how he mentions the airport security thing, because there is absolutely no proof whatsoever that airport security has protected us from anything.

I travel a lot and it's such a joke. The best security measure is passengers learned not to be victims and to take matters into their own hands when necessary.

He can have access to my phone when I get access to his college records.

What is most amazing in this discussion is it's clear he believes they have the right to have access to everything we do. That's very creepy.

The whole federal govt. wiped thier collective *** with the 4th amendment when the Repubs passed the Patriot Act and the Dems renewed it.

Yet they wonder why Trump is popular.
 
The man makes some good points.

For an overreaching, uncontrolled Police State. :apple:
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Well all know this is doomed to fail long term
No way is any government going to let just anyone have total and utter secrecy forever.
It's just not a realistic scenario in the REAL world.
In a theoretical world yes great.

"Every Generation needs a Revolution."

Thomas Jefferson. :apple:
 
He can have access to my phone when I get access to his college records.

What is most amazing in this discussion is it's clear he believes they have the right to have access to everything we do. That's very creepy.

Obama is a tyrant and our government is more of a police state every day. Funny how everything they do starts out as "one time" or "temporary" and is always soon made into a permanent power grab.

This guy (and his predecessor) have **** all over the bill of rights for 16 years.
 
You can't believe anyone who mentions only what u want people to believe...

Apple believes if a 'master key' is produced to the government, i'm ok with Apple thinking ahead, but based on nothing that no one ever said other than Apple, that's very different.

However the government is also know to not tell the truth either...
 
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Omg - I expected some Obama lovefest not real truth. Well done sirs, a tip of the hat to you both.

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I travel a lot and it's such a joke. The best security measure is passengers learned not to be victims and to take matters into their own hands when necessary.



The whole federal govt. wiped thier collective *** with the 4th amendment when the Repubs passed the Patriot Act and the Dems renewed it.

Yet they wonder why Trump is popular.

You lost me that last idiotic sentence. So, you advocate taking a gun to your head because that's the only way to cure a blinding toothache? There is no explanation for T, especially not that one; someone who advocates more of the same or worse (mass arrest and internment of Mexicans and muslims (who knows how), deportation of citizens of specific religions (to where?), more torture, etc).

People will be screwed no matter who gets there, it is just a matter of degrees and what variant of f*up you'll end up being.
 
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I travel a lot and it's such a joke.

The theatre act may be a joke, but before you think the joke is useless, you should look at the number of loaded guns that airport security manages to confiscate. All it takes is one of those with someone who didn't take their meds, or is otherwise suicidal.
 
In other news: "President says stuff that totally validates stuff the people he appointed said and would grant his regime more power."

And what do you think Prez Obama will say when the back door he seeks inevitably escapes into the wild and lets "bad guys" into US govt systems? And the iphones of members of congress, the FBI, CIA, NSA, bla bla bla. It's only a matter of time.

You may not be aware of this, but this is an election year. By the time this is settled, none of the power will go to Obama. We don't have "regents" in this country (or if we do, they are not the ones who sit in the Oval Office). And we don't have "regimes". By this time next year, another person will occupy the White House for a four-year term. If the U.S. public like the job they are doing (or like them better than we like any potential challengers) then we give them at most one more term. More than two terms is prohibited by an Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

I voted for President Obama twice. I don't regret those votes, considering who his opponents were in 2008 and 2012. I think overall he had done a good job. By most measures I am far better off now than I was when he took office. I think the country is better off, too, by most measures, and I doubt a "President McCain" or a "President Romney" would have been better.

I knew when I voted for him that there would be times when I disagreed with his words, or his actions, or his inactions on various issues.

No one who claims the President's position on this issue (which I strongly disagree with) means he is incompetent for the job can have any credibility if they are planning to vote for someone who says essentially the same thing.
 
No way to not take an absolute view. It's mathematics.


So much this. There are many algorithms out there that have evolved over years. evolved to counter their weaknesses to attacks that are mathematically based. Its also mathematics that tbh kills off weak stuff week 1 after its published in a paper. Nice try but....I cracked this no time at all on score 5 based laptop, try again.

Many algorithms settle for good enough tbh in this realm. It will take supercomputers 20 years to break this....thats good enough to some.




Not seeing why some politicians are fighting this. At least publicly. To me, put on tin foil hat time, they'd seem to need it the most.

Have the lunch meeting scheduled with the special campaign funder that would violate PAC rules...or outright bribery and personal funding boosted. Finish the day with the young, mid twenties campaign supporter with legs that go all the way up that rates extra special attention in a secluded hotel room (again arranged on the phone). All this can get them fried if they leave that phone behind just once. And it has this magical key.

Yeah I know...generalizing all politicians are corrupt. If the tin foil hat fits...wear it I say.
 
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And this country elected that moron twice. No surprise here, he's got the pen and he uses it, often I read.

Wonder what his next executive order will be.

For the record- never even considered voting for that man- nor did I.
For the record, it was GW who instituted the Patriot Act and created The Dept. of Homeland Security.
Let's be clear, republican or democrat... They all suck!
 
you can have the world's safest safe in your house. as soon as a judge says..open it, you open it.
same thing.
I forgot where I put the paper with the combination.
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Pragmatic, but this means that Android must be a door with no locks at all.

I read a 'notice' telling droid users to avoid turning auto updates on, and to not do many of the updates.

Interesting.

And droid was supposed to be better.
No.

Android has had full device encryption since 5.x.
It was optional to turn it on.
In 6.x it became standard and only an unlocked bootloader with a custom kernel will allow you to not have an encrypted device.
Bootloaders are signed by the manufacturer just like Apple does.
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Com'on guys.....everybody in government are angels with good intentions and will never abuse backdoor power to every iPhone on this planet. /s

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." -- Daniel Webster
 
I voted for President Obama twice. I don't regret those votes, considering who his opponents were in 2008 and 2012. I think overall he had done a good job. By most measures I am far better off now than I was when he took office. I think the country is better off, too, by most measures, and I doubt a "President McCain" or a "President Romney" would have been better.

This is the mentality that makes people lose and allows the establishment to win. You voted thinking Obama was the "lesser of two evils", except evil is still evil! Like many others indoctrinated into party politics, you have no regrets and cannot see the harm his policies have caused. Policies which are, ironically, largely continuations and expansions of his predecessor's policies! Yet, if they happened under a guy from the other party, you'd already have the anger queued up. Your problem is that you refuse to admit that you made a mistake voting him (twice) and fell for all the propaganda. "Surely, someone would have been worse!" is the lie that lets you sleep at night.

Third party candidates are always an option. As is not voting (a vote of no confidence in the system).


I knew when I voted for him that there would be times when I disagreed with his words, or his actions, or his inactions on various issues.

Math is not a matter of disagreement. You have encryption that works or you have nothing. Stop apologizing for loser politicians who despise you and your rights.
 
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