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If worst comes to worst, I'll just have to hold onto my iPhone 6 Plus running iOS 10.3.2 which may be the last iOS with full secure encryption before Apple is coerced to weaken it for the govt. or whoever to peek in thorough the back door
 
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And what do you think Prez Obama will say when the back door he seeks inevitably escapes into the wild and lets "bad guys" into US govt systems? And the iphones of members of congress, the FBI, CIA, NSA, bla bla bla. It's only a matter of time.
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Hate to tell you, mate, but the "bad guys" already are in the government's systems, downloading data like real champs as we speak (type, that is).
The only real problem is that sometimes news about actual cases leaks out and people take notice of the incompetency shown.
(Totally not isolated to the US, mind you).
This, of course, ultimately puts a bad light on the administration.
To counter that, they try to push other issues so the media has something else to report on.
Seems to have worked well so far.

I believe there's probably a way to enable some sort of key-escrow. But it's a slippery slope.
Once this thing is there, it will be like the first Atomic bomb. It will get a life of its own and can't really be stopped anymore.
I have this picture of Leo Szilard in my mind - the guy who persuaded Einstein to sign that letter to Roosevelt and urge him to build the bomb. When Germany surrendered, the project wasn't stopped (how naive can you be?).
Szilard was then trying to stop the bomb from being deployed over Japan. Or at least not deploy it on a city directly.
We all know how well that went.
 
Pragmatic, but this means that Android must be a door with no locks at all.

I read a 'notice' telling droid users to avoid turning auto updates on, and to not do many of the updates.

Interesting.

And droid was supposed to be better.
 
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Do manufacturers of safes have a way to unlock the safes they manufacture? This is an honest question if anyone happens to have the answer. It seems like a good analog for what's going on here.

Yes, they do. At least for the combination that the safe leaves the factory with. This is why I changed the combination on my safe as soon as I installed it.
 
I guess non of you guys can live in a Co-Op in NYC. My old co-op owned the lock on my door - I could not even change it. It would be as crazy as thinking I would have been in danger if they let the FBI into a Unit owned by a criminal for a warrant. They once let the Fire department into an apartment after a fire alarm went off in the unit and could not reach the owner. I lived there for 11 years, never got robbed - never had the FBI, NSA, CIA use their key to invade my apartment either.
 
not sure if a question asking whether or not smuggling illegal drugs into a country is harmful deserves anything but a facetious response.

Maybe this will help:

https://www.tsa.gov/about/tsa-mission

Mission
Protect the nation's transportation systems to ensure freedom of movement for people and commerce.

History
On the morning of September 11, 2001, nearly 3,000 people were killed in a series of coordinated terrorist attacks in New York, Pennsylvania and Virginia. The attacks resulted in the creation of the Transportation Security Administration, designed to prevent similar attacks in the future. Driven by a desire to help our nation, tens of thousands of people joined TSA and committed themselves to strengthening our transportation systems while ensuring the freedom of movement for people and commerce.
 
"obama has been a great president facing hard odds and harder decisions throughout his presidency. certainly not without his major flaws -- and this right here is particularly high on that list."

I almost choked on my own spit reading this.

apologies - i've got a metered approach to analyzing Obama. i know it's easier to be on the 'all or nothing' teams, but i've got an opinion. if lindsay graham's mind can be changed, maybe Obama's can too. time will tell.
 
**** Obama.

Treasonous scumbag.

Obama is technologically inept. I'd expect nothing less from a community organizer who still uses a Blackberry and merrily conducts extrajudicial assassinations of American citizens and routinely flies Pentagon drones all over the United States.

Obama is a totalitarian at heart. Worst president...ever.

Are you a Republican? The party that can't name check any President other than Lincoln and Reagan at the debates because the rest in the past 50 years were so terrible?

Anybody who calls Obama a community organizer loses before they even begin.
 
I guess non of you guys can live in a Co-Op in NYC. My old co-op owned the lock on my door - I could not even change it. It would be as crazy as thinking I would have been in danger if they let the FBI into a Unit owned by a criminal for a warrant. They once let the Fire department into an apartment after a fire alarm went off in the unit and could not reach the owner. I lived there for 11 years, never got robbed - never had the FBI, NSA, CIA use their key to invade my apartment either.

1. How do you know?
2. The fire department waited for someone to come unlock the door? Really???
 
If worst comes to worst, I'll just have to hold onto my iPhone 6 Plus running iOS 10.3.2 which may be the last iOS with full secure encryption before Apple is coerced to weaken it for the govt. or whoever to peek in thorough the back door

that's one way :D .... but if people think one device can carry all my personal info for convenience, it's no wonder we get scared when the government comes in and wants to "weaken" encryption.
 
Yes, they do. At least for the combination that the safe leaves the factory with. This is why I changed the combination on my safe as soon as I installed it.

This is an interesting concept. What if every iPhone left the factory with an encryption key breakable by the Government, but could be changed via software so that not even Apple could bypass it with a custom version of the OS?
 
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you can have the world's safest safe in your house. as soon as a judge says..open it, you open it.
same thing.
Not the same thing and the problem is that's how this con job is being sold. The owner of this phone is not being asked to unlock it, obviously.

Consider that this change in law will be the beginning of relaxation of your right to privacy. It is definitely heading towards all digital storage being remotely scanned in real time by government agencies and it being illegal to hold any digital storage that cannot be remotely accessed. Call me crazy but digital storage is being seen as more dangerous than guns (which kill a lot more people and infringe on your freedom in much bigger ways).
 
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This is an interesting concept. What if every iPhone left the factory with an encryption key breakable by the Government,

"Key breakable by" makes no mathematic sense. You either know the key or you don't.

If you mean "algorithm breakable by", then the question immediately becomes: which government? The US one? Why would the Chinese and other governments tolerate that? And how long do you think they'll be able to keep the key to themselves? The genius idea of TSA master keys didn't last too long either; those are now out in the wild, easy to copy, and can break into millions of suitcases out there.

but could be changed via software so that not even Apple could bypass it with a custom version of the OS?

Again, you seem to be advocating for a "master key", which is a concept that for good reason does not exist in typical cryptographic algorithms.
 
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