Previously Reliable Leaker CoinX Suggests New iMac and Mac Mini Models Are Coming Soon

[PickUrPoison]

Rumor mills say pretty much all the Macs except the Mac Pro will see an upgrade in 2020.

iMac Pro is tagged for Late 2020, but it will keep the 27" display so sounds like a CPU/GPU refresh of the current chassis and not a new design aesthetic.

Desktop CPUs for the iMac are scheduled for 2H 2020, but the models Apple normally uses are hotter than the 2019 edition CPUs so Apple might go with lower-TDP models, underclock them to keep temps acceptable or they won't change anything and they'll throttle under high loads. The 5000-series Navi GPUs will probably be part of the 2020 iMac refresh, as well.

Intel is finally being more realistic about the TDP of the “K” parts with its 125W TDP rating. Previous generations of these parts have drawn in the neighborhood of 150-200 Watts.

But as you mention, Apple will use them by in effect, underclocking them; reportedly the 10th gen 125W chips can be configured for 95W (cTDP-down?).

 

[chucker23n1]

I use a Mac. What do you expect? Is it really wrong to tell you the problem with aio Mac?

It's not wrong at all, it's just boring and a little insulting. Do you believe people aren't aware that an AIO has poor internal expandability?

I guess you know nothing about this RAM crisis.

I just don't care because I'm not in the market for buying RAM sticks. And neither are most of those this thread is about: purchasers of iMacs and Mac minis.

So, again, I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up other than to tout your knowledge, which, congrats.

That's because most people are ignorant about the computer itself. They just use them without knowing facts.

Yes, and most people who drive a car don't know how its engine works. Most people who use a wrench can't build one themselves. So what?

As a software developer, I also couldn't build an OS kernel. I also don't care to. I care to make computers easier to use, not to complain that my typical customer isn't hardcore enough to know what a RAM stick is.

What is wrong with asking better features? I guess you didn't complain when Mac Pro 2013 came out which is the worst Mac ever.

You must have missed a lot of 1990s' Macs, my man.

And no, I didn't complain. The Mac Pro 2013 wasn't for me. It wouldn't have been for me had it been more expandable. Or had it had just one GPU and two CPUs (which I would've preferred). Or whatever. It was never going to be for me.

 

[Cydoniaworld]

Why can’t they add a push in slot for M. 2 & easy ram change. Their environment credentials mean squat when you get in your car - drive the Mac mini to a shop. Get ram changed ‘officially’ then drive home.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Why can’t they add a push in slot for M. 2 & easy ram change. Their environment credentials mean squat when you get in your car - drive the Mac mini to a shop. Get ram changed ‘officially’ then drive home.

Hadn’t thought of it that way. Based on that scenario, I guess Apple isn’t 100% green after all... only about 99.99999999%

 

[high heaven]

It's not wrong at all, it's just boring and a little insulting. Do you believe people aren't aware that an AIO has poor internal expandability?



I just don't care because I'm not in the market for buying RAM sticks. And neither are most of those this thread is about: purchasers of iMacs and Mac minis.

So, again, I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up other than to tout your knowledge, which, congrats.



Yes, and most people who drive a car don't know how its engine works. Most people who use a wrench can't build one themselves. So ****ing what?

As a software developer, I also couldn't build an OS kernel. I also don't care to. I care to make computers easier to use, not to complain that my typical customer isn't hardcore enough to know what a RAM stick is.



You must have missed a lot of 1990s' Macs, my man.

And no, I didn't complain. The Mac Pro 2013 wasn't for me. It wouldn't have been for me had it been more expandable. Or had it had just one GPU and two CPUs (which I would've preferred). Or whatever. It was never going to be for me.

It's not wrong at all, it's just boring and a little insulting. Do you believe people aren't aware that an AIO has poor internal expandability?



I just don't care because I'm not in the market for buying RAM sticks. And neither are most of those this thread is about: purchasers of iMacs and Mac minis.

So, again, I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up other than to tout your knowledge, which, congrats.



Yes, and most people who drive a car don't know how its engine works. Most people who use a wrench can't build one themselves. So ****ing what?

As a software developer, I also couldn't build an OS kernel. I also don't care to. I care to make computers easier to use, not to complain that my typical customer isn't hardcore enough to know what a RAM stick is.



You must have missed a lot of 1990s' Macs, my man.

And no, I didn't complain. The Mac Pro 2013 wasn't for me. It wouldn't have been for me had it been more expandable. Or had it had just one GPU and two CPUs (which I would've preferred). Or whatever. It was never going to be for me.

That's totally in your own opinion, not mine. If you dont wanna understand other's opinions, that's fine but do not think that your opinion does NOT represent all or other users from different industries.

 

[arvinsim]

Where "a lot" means "a fraction of a fraction of what Apple sells". Desktops haven't been a big market in a long time. They're a market, sure, and AMD and Intel continue to enjoy selling there, because there continue to be gamers stupid enough to pay them huge margins on overpriced overclocked CPUs. But they're not a mass market.

And Apple CPUs aren't overpriced? And some Apple users aren't stupid enough to buy them? Clearly you see the irony?

As someone who owns both Macs and PCs, this is just a monumentally arrogant statement.

 

[chucker23n1]

And Apple CPUs aren't overpriced?

Apple doesn't sell CPUs.

And some Apple users aren't stupid enough to buy them? Clearly you see the irony?

As someone who owns both Macs and PCs, this is just a monumentally arrogant statement.

You're taking that quote out of context.

Yes, of course Macs are pricey. But the analogue here would be if you build-to-order a Mac with a high-end CPU option: both Apple and Intel are taking a fat margin on those options, and the actual performance win is relatively benign.

 

[arvinsim]

Mac Mini update was underwhelming. My Mac Mini buy last February was not a bad idea after all.

 

[1204949]

But as you mention, Apple will use them by in effect, underclocking them; reportedly the 10th gen 125W chips can be configured for 95W (cTDP-down?).

These TDP limits are purely arbitrary. The i9 9900K inside the iMac is set to 80W. They can be set to whatever the customer wants. Take a look at the Intel NUCs. You can set the TDP limit yourself in Bios.

 

[ridgero]

iMac updates soon?

 

[zedsdead]

Now that I am working from home I am pushing my iMac from 2012 a lot more daily...really showing it's age now. I really hope a new iMac comes soon....although I really don't want to update if the design still remains the same after 8 years and still has 14nm chips in it.

 

[ridgero]

I might buy an iMac i9 next week or so, I wait till wednesday.

 

[arvinsim]

I might buy an iMac i9 next week or so, I wait till wednesday.

Oh, is there a rumor that they are going to do the announcement next week?

 

[ridgero]

CoinX (@coiiiiiiiin) | Twitter

The latest Tweets from CoinX (@coiiiiiiiin): "New camera on iPad ?"

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Its based on his tweets, he predicted the new iPad Pro / Mac mini and things in the past. His tweets are very vague and leave room for speculations

 

[PickUrPoison]

CoinX (@coiiiiiiiin) | Twitter

The latest Tweets from CoinX (@coiiiiiiiin): "New camera on iPad ?"

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Its based on his tweets, he predicted the new iPad Pro / Mac mini and things in the past. His tweets are very vague and leave room for speculations

There are rumors that Intel will release the S-series Comet Lake in April, but usually there is a lag of at least a few months before Macs using new parts start to ship.

 

[MisterK]

I'm aching for Apple to release a new iMac so I can start teaching my kids how to be a bit more productive than their YouTube watching and gaming on their iPads (as much as we all love those devices). The "family computer" in my parent's computer room was so formative in my life and I worry they're not getting that.

It was so empowering to write short stories and be able to print them out, or to learn to code in Basic, or to get good with drawing programs, learn BBSs, explore the early internet, etc.

A redesign is really overdue, despite the iMac's now relative unimportance to the lineup. From the front (which is where you usually look at an iMac), the current model is identical to my mid-2010 model. That's 10 years!

 

[chucker23n1]

I'm aching for Apple to release a new iMac

Seems plausible to me. Comet Lake-S is launching soon, and the current iMac is about a year old. Makes sense that they'd upgrade to that. Up to ten cores, and a few other changes. And, probably, they'd upgrade to AMD Navi graphics.

I'd give it a fairly good chance that this upgrade will happen by May.

OTOH, the 2019 iMac is not at all a bad computer.

A redesign is really overdue, despite the iMac's now relative unimportance to the lineup. From the front (which is where you usually look at an iMac), the current model is identical to my mid-2010 model. That's 10 years!

Yes.

I don't think we'll see that this time, though.

 

[XD_Goulart]

I think we will see a new Imac in June, as it is usually announced in June at WWDC, and the event is not far from happening, so...

 

[zhenya]

I'm aching for Apple to release a new iMac so I can start teaching my kids how to be a bit more productive than their YouTube watching and gaming on their iPads (as much as we all love those devices). The "family computer" in my parent's computer room was so formative in my life and I worry they're not getting that.

It was so empowering to write short stories and be able to print them out, or to learn to code in Basic, or to get good with drawing programs, learn BBSs, explore the early internet, etc.

A redesign is really overdue, despite the iMac's now relative unimportance to the lineup. From the front (which is where you usually look at an iMac), the current model is identical to my mid-2010 model. That's 10 years!

i think you are selling the iPad short if you think it’s only good for games and YouTube. i grew up in a similar era as you describe, but our kids do pretty much everything you opine for on their iPads, and have for years. Today it’s the iPads that are in many ways the more advanced devices. I wouldn’t wait to let your kids have those experiences.

 

[XD_Goulart]

If Apple maintains the same design on a new Imac 2020, I would sincerely prefer to wait for a Surface Studio 3 that can be launched in October 2020, as this machine is more innovative and Apple would not bother with it, so.... Besides, I don't understand why some people don't want or don't think smaller moldures are´nt necessary, as they are both for innovation and for improving the quality of the screen that improves with a large screen. (obviously combined with a good screen display)

 

[kazmac]

Waiting on an iMac here too. My 2013 27" now has several loose USB ports now, along with other internal issues.

So annoyed the Mac Mini update was only storage and not a tweak on WiFi, Bluetooth and other issues. I would have jumped on a Mini if those were fixed.

And yet because of extra RAM and the screen size, my 2013 iMac is my Remote Work machine over the Lenovo Yoga (12gb of RAM is not enough, returns are impossible here. Really annoyed I did not wait an extra month for an Asus or something as my remote machine).

 

[CWallace]

So annoyed the Mac Mini update was only storage and not a tweak on WiFi, Bluetooth and other issues. I would have jumped on a Mini if those were fixed.

All those features are bundled in with the CPU and it's supporting chipset and Intel has yet to release either in the form-factor the 2018 Mini uses.

Yes, Apple could go third-party for WiFi 6 and Bluetooth 5, but that means a system board redesign and additional macOS driver development and testing and that still means a wait and a higher price, on top of it (to cover those additional expenses).

They could also just push the Mini down-level by switching from desktop to laptop parts, but then you would have slower CPU performance (but probably better iGPU performance) and RAM would probably be soldered instead of socketed. And it would likely still end up more expensive because Apple would have to redesign and re-engineer everything.

 

[chucker23n1]

All those features are bundled in with the CPU and it's supporting chipset and Intel has yet to release either in the form-factor the 2018 Mini uses.

Yes, Apple could go third-party for WiFi 6 and Bluetooth 5, but that means a system board redesign

So, the 2018 uses a Murata 339S00458. Doesn't that already include everything needed for Wi-Fi and Bluetooth? I'm not a hardware engineer. (The antenna is separate anyway, and presumably has nothing to do with Intel.)

My understanding is the Mac mini doesn't really use Intel's wireless chips.

They could also just push the Mini down-level by switching from desktop to laptop parts, but then you would have slower CPU performance (but probably better iGPU performance) and RAM would probably be soldered instead of socketed. And it would likely still end up more expensive because Apple would have to redesign and re-engineer everything.

Yeah, I don't think Apple wants to do that. Besides, even if they go from Coffee Lake-S straight to Comet Lake-H (skipping Coffee Lake Refresh), they would basically just gain two cores and some additional boost. If they really want some performance changes, they either have to make the device a lot fatter, or move to AMD.

 

[kazmac]

All those features are bundled in with the CPU and it's supporting chipset and Intel has yet to release either in the form-factor the 2018 Mini uses.

Yes, Apple could go third-party for WiFi 6 and Bluetooth 5, but that means a system board redesign and additional macOS driver development and testing and that still means a wait and a higher price, on top of it (to cover those additional expenses).

They could also just push the Mini down-level by switching from desktop to laptop parts, but then you would have slower CPU performance (but probably better iGPU performance) and RAM would probably be soldered instead of socketed. And it would likely still end up more expensive because Apple would have to redesign and re-engineer everything.

Thanks for mentioning where those issues stem from. I do hope a redesign happens at some point. Such a shame, I love the idea of the Mini.

 

[CWallace]

So, the 2018 uses a Murata 339S00458. Doesn't that already include everything needed for Wi-Fi and Bluetooth? I'm not a hardware engineer. (The antenna is separate anyway, and presumably has nothing to do with Intel.) My understanding is the Mac mini doesn't really use Intel's wireless chips.

Then it is probably designing and testing a new system board just to replace one chip for a networking standard that has just been released does not have a justifiable RoI for Apple at this time. Assuming Intel offers a 10th Generation Comet Lake H CPU at 65W in FCPGA later this year or 2021, that would be the time for Apple to do a complete refresh since they would need to design a new system board around that (since it would probably have a new pin layout).