How many cores will the iMac have? And will it have more than two Thunderbolt on one bus?
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More than now. Intel will offer up to ten cores (rather than eight) this time, so Apple will probably follow suit and increase their selection from the current four / six / eight cores to six / eight / ten. (Possibly four / six / eight / ten.) I'm almost certain we'll see a ten-core high-end option this time.
The article I quoted concerned Intel's Ice Lake parts (10nm); however, all of the leaks so far indicate AMD's Ryzen 4000 series is running toe-to-toe with Intel's latest 10th gen parts on 14nm+++ and on 10nm.
I would just like to see an OEM with a high quality implementation of the new Ryzen chips, rather than the typical implementation where the AMD unit (vs the Intel unit) is gimped by a poor quality display or a poor keyboard, etc.
Well, the 'gaming Mac' idea would be far better served with iOS apps on an ARM platform, and the idea of an iBook - ARM powered MacBook - looks much more organic.
The prospect of an official keyboard case coming this year including a touch pad lends more credence to the idea that rather than trying to run macOS off an ARM processor, Apple would actually be better off developing iPadOS to take advantage of later iteration of the Axx ARM CPUs.
I'd be more interested in what Apple could do with an AppleTV Pro - for games.
Disagree. $5,000 for iMac Pro or $6,000 for Mac Pro is quite affordable for those who the target market.
And yes, as an all-in-one, iMac has less cooling capacity than a tower. It might be best to purchase Mac Pro rather than iMac Pro if this is a concern.
I disagree. You only talk about those professional users and yet the spec itself isn't even high enough to convince the price. For example, Mac Pro 2019 basic version has RX 580! Seriously? It gives only 256gb of SSD, 8 cores, and etc. Not all people need 8 PCIe slots.
Guess what? There are no other options within Mac. Apple is completely ignoring most people between $2000~4000 as a modular desktop.
The Mac Pro is configurable for a reason. It’s an extremely capable platform on which to build. Most users don’t need 8 slots, 28 cores, 2x Vega II Dual GPUs, or 1.5TB of RAM. For those who do, it’s there now. For those who don’t, it’s there for future expansion. The cost of that flexibility is a $6,000 buy-in.
Apple last sold the $2,500 Mac Pro tower computer you want upwards of ten years ago. At 4-cores, 6GB memory, a cheap video card and a 1TB HDD, they weren’t a particularly exciting product, and sold so poorly Apple discontinued them. A fair number of Pros moved to iMac with the introduction of the 5K retina screen.
What you want is beyond niche, it’s a niche within a niche. 80% of Mac customers want laptops. Another 10-15% buy iMac. That leaves 5-10% of users split between Mac mini, iMac Pro and Mac Pro. Apple doesn’t see sufficient demand for a Mac Pro mini, despite your desire to buy one.
You can’t always get what you want 🤷♂️
Mac Pro is niche. Apple is so lazy to make a proper desktop that most people demand. What you are saying is completely useless.
I’d argue that Apple is spot on in their analysis of the market. Today it’s the mid-tier desktop that is the extreme niche product. The vast majority of users either want the portability of a laptop, the simple setup of an all-in-one that has an average amount of power and a large screen, or they need a true workstation. The number of users who need something more powerful than an iMac but need the power of a workstation like a Mac Pro, but can’t justify the cost, is exceedingly small, and shrinking every day.
Look at the typical PC office environment - it’s going to be primarily laptops, a few small form factor or all-in-one PC’s for those who don’t need a laptop and really just need the larger screen, and a few who need a real workstation, which costs nearly the same from Dell, HP or Lenovo as it does from Apple. Very few users actually need the “proper desktop” you are imagining. Those types of machines have been dying a slow death for the last 20 years.
Then how come AMD is selling tons of mid to low range desktop CPU for several years? Even 3950X ran out so fast. This contradicts your opinion.
Why do you use the word “proper” when you mean “my preferred”? And the Mac Pro was not engineered as it is due to laziness. It’s quietness, the MPX modules and the afterburner shows they are anything but lazy. Lazy would have been slapping together a cookie cutter mid-tower in six months, like some posters here kept saying they should.
Face facts. There’s absolutely no indication that “most people” want the mid-tower desktop you want. If the Mac Pro were $2,000-$3,000, you would be thrilled with it. We get it, Macs are more expensive than PCs. Always have been. I’ve heard that complaint for 35+ years 🙄
You wanting a cheaper Mac is fine. But you not understanding why they’re as expensive as they are doesn’t help make them any cheaper.
In the tech world you can sell millions of units yet be a tiny niche, and AMD is niche by definition.
An upgraded iMac 27" 2019 model will easily "compete" with anything released in Q1/Q2 2020.
Not so sure about the 21.5" models. There seems to be a lot of room to improve on baseline, even if it's just a trickle down from upgrade options.
If you're talking only "entry level" machines for either, I do think it's worth reconsidering upgrades to SSD and potentially GPU.
Not so sure about the 21.5" models. There seems to be a lot of room to improve on baseline, even if it's just a trickle down from upgrade options.
If you're talking only "entry level" machines for either, I do think it's worth reconsidering upgrades to SSD and potentially GPU.
Like I said, making a mid-tower like you suggest they do would have been the lazy thing to do—the opposite of what you claim, which is that they are too lazy to make it. Instead of taking the lazy way, they chose a path that required a lot of hard work.
Now that I’ve addressed that mis-understanding, any actual response to my post? Nice content-free reply. lol. Try again?
Apple does not have a proper desktop except for Mac Pro and I seriously think we don't need iMac, Mac mini, and iMac Pro. All in one desktop is not a popular solution. A mid-range desktop is still popular and both Intel and AMD still selling tons of them base on Reddit. The shortage of desktop RAM was a great example.
Expensive? You better check the price of all parts.
Those all in one Mac desktops are such a joke.
Completely non-responsive to my post. Feel free to post your rants but there’s no point quoting my post if you’re not going to respond. Leave me out of it.
You still haven't addressed why the iMac or Mac mini aren't "proper".
What's popular are laptops and tablets.
Desktops have been a shrinking market segment.
You're clearly not in the market for anything Apple cares about, so why even bother joining this thread?
Are you trolling or what?
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All in one desktop is already limited in terms of performance and upgradability. Even iMac Pro is using a smaller cooler to cool both GPU and CPU at once which is a joke.
And yet, both AMD and Intel proofs to sell a lot of them. Do you even aware that RAM's price increased dramatically several times due to tons of buyers? Check Newegg or else about this.
WTH are you talking about? I kept mentioning the proper desktop which Apple does not have except for Mac Pro. Clearly, you are the one who does not understand.
For example, the cooling system for all in one Mac SUCKS. If you ever built a desktop, you will know why all in one desktop have poor cooling performance compared to a normal desktop. They had to sacrifice the CPU and GPU performance in order to cool it down base on Youtube videos. I seriously wouldn't expect any better performance from a small crappy cooler. Can you even upgrade certain parts like RAM? Nah. iMac might work but it's base on the 2012 version. What do you expect? What about Nvidia GPU? AMD CPU? PCIe slots? Dual SSD with more storage?
I am not joking about this.
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Nah. We're just bored of people who come to a forum named "MacRumors Forums" to complain that Apple doesn't make the exact computer they wish Apple made, despite Apple not having made such a computer for a quarter century now.
So don't buy it.
Where "a lot" means "a fraction of a fraction of what Apple sells". Desktops haven't been a big market in a long time. They're a market, sure, and AMD and Intel continue to enjoy selling there, because there continue to be gamers stupid enough to pay them huge margins on overpriced overclocked CPUs. But they're not a mass market.
OK sure, but I'm not in the market for desktop RAMs and haven't been since 2002, and temporary fluctuations are irrelevant to this thread, so why would I check Newegg again?
And yet the millions of people who buy them consider the iMac, Mac mini, iMac Pro, and Mac Pro quite "proper". Keep your "Macs aren't manly enough" gatekeeping elsewhere please.
So don't buy one.
Apple isn't going to make the computer you want.
No, I expect a system that works well, and for the most part, Apple is actually quite good at selling me those. I'm also not sixteen any more, so tinkering with PCIe slots just doesn't get me all hot and bothered any longer.
I’m 100% serious. What part of my post don’t you understand?
Someone’s trolling alright, but it’s not me.
I use a Mac. What do you expect? Is it really wrong to tell you the problem with aio Mac?
At least much more than Mac Pro or workstation. Didn't think about those users need a desktop around $3000?
I guess you know nothing about this RAM crisis.
That's because most people are ignorant about the computer itself. They just use them without knowing facts.
What is wrong with asking better features? I guess you didn't complain when Mac Pro 2013 came out which is the worst Mac ever. Apple listened after a few years and now they made Mac Pro 2019. Clearly, you are out of your mind.
I do expect a system that works well but guess what? It failed several times due to overheating which most Macs can not resolve this problem. It happened when I used both iMac and iMac Pro.
Rumor mills say pretty much all the Macs except the Mac Pro will see an upgrade in 2020.
iMac Pro is tagged for Late 2020, but it will keep the 27" display so sounds like a CPU/GPU refresh of the current chassis and not a new design aesthetic.
Desktop CPUs for the iMac are scheduled for 2H 2020, but the models Apple normally uses are hotter than the 2019 edition CPUs so Apple might go with lower-TDP models, underclock them to keep temps acceptable or they won't change anything and they'll throttle under high loads. The 5000-series Navi GPUs will probably be part of the 2020 iMac refresh, as well.