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No :)

The fact that both iMac and Mac mini get mentioned for the update is a sign that the Coffee Lake CPUs are being excised from Apple's slate. I think the CFL CPUs must be due for discontinuation within a couple of years.

The successor CPU is still in flux.

Comet Lake S runs hot compared to Coffee Lake because Intel seem to be chasing higher clock speeds as well as increased core counts to combat the threat of AMD's Ryzen CPUs. Apple would need to account for the increased heat from this generation (and subsequent ones) by accounting for it in the redesign but fitting these CPUs into an existing Mac mini without throttling could be a challenge.

Of course, Apple might use the Comet Lake S in a larger cased Mini (Cube) but by the time you've specced that up then HD630 graphics looks remarkably under specced for the money and in any case, making mini users add eGPU seems remarkably poor value for money.

Comet Lake H (as used in the 16" MacBook Pro class Mac) would allow Apple to continue using a BGA mount CPU in the iMac while keeping CPU temps down and crucially fitting into the existing Mac mini case. This could be seen as a downward step in performance but Apple could mitigate this by creating a whole different SKU (eg 24/25" iMac).
Long analisys about Intel CPU (mostly failed attempts to hold Ryzen Pace), buy no single logic reasoning about why an AMD Ryzen based Mac is not possible.
Of course not, because they are not, and they would also need a license from Intel, and they don’t have that either.
You're a lawyer or an engineer? In case you're the former your opinion as lawyer it's irrelevant.

Few facts, AMD licenses Ryzen, no Intel opinion, most of x86-64 it's public domain or close to be, x86 instructions are not copyright subject (ask Google).

Even, if Apple can or not rebrand an AMD CPU as Apple own, it is irrelevant to the purpose to build an Mac using Zen CPU and not Intel, and irrelevant if those CPU are manufactured by Apple, it don't break any AMD-intel agreement as legally apple could figure as AMDs contractor manufacturing products to be sold to apple.

Fact, Intel got no new CPU orders for some sku from 2020, they warned some partners about Apple going on in-house baked CPUs, they don't name those CPU are from AMD as it lacks commercial sense to Early admit a customer goes with your rival, it's like to concede AMD won Intel s jewel a year earlier, Intel sees AMD doesn't deserve that early free advertising, meanwhile no Intel/ARM diehard explain why apple tested latest AMD CPU and APU?
 
This does not appear to be true.


Did you read the article?

From a simple, binary, "yes or no" perspective, the Mac mini clearly throttles based on the thermal condition. But, this is not a "gate," conspiracy, or anything of that nature. Everything with an Intel processor will adjust speed based on the thermal condition, with the severity of the slowdown and impact on performance depending on how much money you've invested into a cooling system if you've built the machine yourself.
 
If Apple does move to AMD, where does that leave the Mac Pro? Will new Mac Pros also come with AMD CPU's?
At some point.

First logic prospect for Ryzen APU are the iMac and Mac mini, mobile Renoir APU fits perfectly within current iMac 21 and Mac mini TDP constraints, meanwhile iMac 27 will do fine with Renoirs desktop version APU, even with discrete Ryzen 3000+Navi combos.

Likewise I believe new iMac to share Pro Display HDRs cheese grater hole design, it provides much better cooling than current shell design. The Mac mini unlikely to get an new form factor (Apple surprise us).
 
It was a very considered response.

You asked “if extremely unlikely hypothetical thing number 1 happens, what will happen with thing number 2?”

How would anyone possibly know the answer?


👍 Well, considering this entire website is devoted to "rumors", speculation and hypotheticals are de rigueur
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At some point.

First logic prospect for Ryzen APU are the iMac and Mac mini, mobile Renoir APU fits perfectly within current iMac 21 and Mac mini TDP constraints, meanwhile iMac 27 will do fine with Renoirs desktop version APU, even with discrete Ryzen 3000+Navi combos.

Likewise I believe new iMac to share Pro Display HDRs cheese grater hole design, it provides much better cooling than current shell design. The Mac mini unlikely to get an new form factor (Apple surprise us).


Would be great if Apple decided to increase the screen real estate on an iMac redesign, but I am not holding my breath
 
👍 Well, considering this entire website is devoted to "rumors", speculation and hypotheticals are de rigueur
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Would be great if Apple decided to increase the screen real estate on an iMac redesign, but I am not holding my breath
Kuo rumors point to keep iMac Pro at 27" with micro led, but it doesn't prevent Apple to build an 32" 6k iMac Pro too just based on pro display HDR, but it will be very expensive, likely to start close to 10K.

If Apple moves to AMD Zen from next gen iMac, Mac mini, likely at the same time an IMac Pro loaded with Threadripper CPU will be escorted by an epyc based cheese grater Mac Pro the same quarter.
 
hopefully there is a price drop for the mini too. I would love to be able to buy Mac mini motherboards with swappable CPU/Memory/STANDARD m.2 SSD slot and power supply. Maybe even AMD capability.
 
I am selling my mac mini...
I just got my late 2018 model, and it works fine!
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It's time for all of Apple's devices to standardize on SSD storage. No more spinning HDD or Fusion Drives.
Could not agree more! Fortunately, my two recent Macs have SSDs, and along with my 3 external SSDs, I am good to go.
 
The current iMac design is not bad, but can I expect a thinner bezel? That is all what I need.
the current design has some flaws for 2020
-cannot take some higher performacne because it still has hdd and not the cooling system from the imac pro
- speakers has performance for the 2017, look at the others apple devies how improved they were since the beats acquisition
-stain issue, the ventilation has some gap, isnt closed at 1 micron and after a while the display can begin to have some little stains on the bottom right/left of the display
- and yes, the bezels are for 2012-2018 era
 
has NOTHING to do with being ABLE to select and SSD. it's 2020, NOTHING should have a mechanical hard drive in it. At $1299 you should get a 1TB normal SSD. not a 1TB 5400 rpm drive. from there, you should be able to upgrade to MVMe drive.
Well I happen to live in the good ole US of A so if I want to spend MY money on a spinning hard drive in MY computer that sits on MY desk than I sure will do that. If YOU want to spend YOUR money on an SSD or make a no spinning hard drive rule in YOUR house then by all means do so. You shouldn't be able to tell others what they're allowed to own or buy in 2020.....
 
ROFL! You've just summed up whats wrong with USA in one post. Hilarious, made me laugh.
I think you missed what the intent of the guy (and zillion others) was but seeing that you are from good ole ...... lets just safe the time. Otherwise it will be the same like talking about guns.
So yeah, keep your HDD. I guess you feel the same about floppy disc? :D :D :D

Thanks for the laugh though, it was what I needed


Well I happen to live in the good ole US of A so if I want to spend MY money on a spinning hard drive in MY computer that sits on MY desk than I sure will do that. If YOU want to spend YOUR money on an SSD or make a no spinning hard drive rule in YOUR house then by all means do so. You shouldn't be able to tell others what they're allowed to own or buy in 2020.....
 
A few days ago, I loaded up an iMac into the shopping cart and pondered and pondered clicking purchase right then, but I came over to MacRumors to see when it had last been updated. So unfortunately, the purchase is probably still sitting in the cart right now...

...an iMac refresh would be absolutely ideal right now.
 
Just release either a 13" MacBook Air or MacBook Pro with the new keyboard already. Damn. Been waiting long enough. Not that hard to do, Apple!
 
Just release either a 13" MacBook Air or MacBook Pro with the new keyboard already. Damn. Been waiting long enough. Not that hard to do, Apple!

While I respect (and agree) with your wish, this thread is about desktop machines. Please, let’s not get off topic - the desktops need some love too :)
 
We're at what is essentially the average, according the MacRumors Buyer's Guide, but, yeah, I was going to say we are about 1000 days too early. I figured they'd roll with this one until 2022 at least.

To be fair, unless they switch to AMD, there's little to gain from the current intel cpu/gpu upgrades.

Apple hardware tends to follow new cpu/gpu releases. the mini only has integrated graphics so any hardware upgrade right now will be "meh" from intel.

the imac will likely get Navi graphics instead of Vega. That upgrade makes sense, navi pro GPUs are coming.
 
But practically what could they add? CPUs are crap, GPUs maybe 5700? So if they don't do redesign or something bigger than why bother at all?
Intel is seriously behind AMD and the difference between 9th gen and 10th is minimal, right?
So apart from better GPU are we really getting anything?
The redesign should be done, better thermals, bigger screen and smaller bezels.
If nothing, than at least smaller bezels. They look terrible and so inconsistent with the rest of the line.

Latest and best CPUs/GPUs (AMD CPUs/APUs hopefully, Nvidia GPUs if we are dreaming), smaller bezel, WiFi 6, T2 chip, FaceTime or TouchID, no more HDDs (tiered SSDs might be interesting)
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Why? What's wrong with the current iMac? Or do you want change for change's sake?

What needs to change is the price of the Mac mini. Starting at $999 in Canada is not a "budget" computer.

Of the design, the only wrong thing is the large, gigantic bezel. Getting rid of that and providing bigger screens would be good. As I don't carry my iMac around, adding thickness for better screens/less bezel/better performance/almost anything is OK.
 
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