Hash maps are huge! The likely hood of it matching a false positive is astronomical, then you have a threshold as well.
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Privacy Whistleblower Edward Snowden and EFF Slam Apple's Plans to Scan Messages and iCloud Images
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Hash maps are huge! The likely hood of it matching a false positive is astronomical, then you have a threshold as well.
It’s well intentioned but it’s just a bad idea. It could/should be used for actual child porn suspects but not for every single iCloud user writ large as the potential for images to be falsely identified by the software is all but admitted because of the human review process. And presumably child porn involves anyone under the age of 18 so for edge case scenarios where images are not obviously depicting little kids, how could human reviewers possibly know for certain the age of who is depicted in an image? There are non porn images aplenty on the internet of women who are over the age of 18 but can look convincingly younger in a photograph, intentionally or not. And visa-versa. I just don’t think they have an answer for that and until they do, there is no reason for confidence that it will all “just work” in a draconian implementation like this and that someone innocent of uploading child porn to iCloud will never need to explain their perfectly legal iCloud images.
It's usually the same people who think Google is going to take all the data they collect for marketing ads and use it to black mail them specifically, like Google even cares who they are.
No I asked what is the privacy change. There is none. iCloud photos were ALWAYS unencrypted before and after upload. This is just scanning an already unencrypted data. That’s what the fuss is about right ? Privacy ? Your data on iCloud is Already shared with police if they ask for it. You have to turn OFF iCloud to have privacy
Apple devised a way too assign a “Probably not CP“ score to all your pics before you upload them to their servers precisely to avoid looking at them.
It could be abused, but these are the facts.
If that is my business model then don’t tell me. I’ll demand a warrant.
It's not limited to iCloud. It's ON YOUR DEVICE and YOU HAVE NO CHOICE. Absolutely mental.
This has always been true if you have iCloud photos offThis deserves a re-post :
Things are different now.
(not for me,if they really do this,no more iPhones for me after 12 years simple
It is limited to iCloud photos . It’s not hard to understand . If you turn off iCloud this won’t occur. Do you want to read that slowly to understand ?
So another issue, Apples stance on creating a back door is they wouldn’t do it for anyone or anything. So now that legal argument is dead isn’t it?
This is just Snowden trying to remain relevant. Who cares what he thinks anymore when he is still hiding in Russia? I'd take anything he has to say with very probable Russian influence in mind.
It compares your pics against a “certified“ CP catalogue.
It doesn’t try to figure out if your pics are actually CP on the spot.
The question should be more about how this “certified” catalogue is audited and stuff.
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It's provided by NCMEC, who will be heavily governed and audited.
"Extremely high" isn't good enough, though, when taken in context with what they're doing. Apple is putting one foot into law enforcement by doing this. Their role should be protecting the privacy of the devices, not playing Chris Hansen (To Catch A Predator reference... ).
The way this should work is that law enforcement gets a warrant for Apple to do this hash scan on a user's device first, and then they implement it on a case by case basis.
again. This is not a Backdoor because iCloud photos on device or on the cloud are NOT ENCRYPTED
Uhm nope?
Just disable iCloud Photos.
Now, if it also applies to the “Photo streaming“ album and to the iCloud Backup of the camera roll, I will be pissed.
This is absolutely horrible.
Nobody, that's normal, likes filthy child molesters but gosh this is waaaay too much information for Apple, after this what's next?
It's nice to frame it in a package that makes them sound like the good guys but treating every one of us like the bad guys is not good.
I wish the Linux phone had caught on and had more to offer.
Nobody, that's normal, likes filthy child molesters but gosh this is waaaay too much information for Apple, after this what's next?
It's nice to frame it in a package that makes them sound like the good guys but treating every one of us like the bad guys is not good.
I wish the Linux phone had caught on and had more to offer.
Everything starts small. Today’s protection of child sexual abuse could be tomorrow’s political attack and targeted censorship. Even if I give apple full benefit of doubt and assume everything they mention here is correct, the action itself is already alarming regardless of the cause. We have “attempted murder” as an offence in many countries btw, which focuses on actions, not the end result.
Again, this is an ongoing issue which will evolve as time goes on. The only thing that will not change is change itself.
I understand, now, that they are looking for specific hashes of registered child pornograhy photos. They need to do a better job of explaining how other personal photos will be protected.
I’d rather say you can count on Linux implementing similar software packages on at least popular distros, and integrate them so deep into the system, even ultimate customisability wont save it.
The intentions are good from Apple but once this is in place it will inevitably be expanded to scan for other things as well. How long before governments pass laws requiring Apple to look for certain this or they won’t be able to operate in the country? Will China require Apple to look for picture of Winnie the Pooh? How about countries requiring Apple to scan for pictures of large gatherings during the lockdowns?
Governments (especially the US) have found that they can use Big Tech to get around the rights of their citizens. I remember when computers and the internet were supposed to be liberating. Now it seems they are turning into Big Brother.
Edit: Currently Apple has the hooks for this process at the point photos are uploaded to iCloud. Why couldn’t they move the hooks to when pictures are saved on your phone? That way everything is caught in this massive dragnet.
Heck, maybe they can expand it to scan what is displayed on the screen that way you can’t look at “wrong think”. Chrome already does this to prevent phishing.
blog.chromium.org
Maybe this is why Apple isn’t forcing people to iOS 15? Maybe they are being forced by the government to put this in or be broken up via antitrust? Otherwise why wouldn’t they have announced this late Friday evening when fewer people would notice?
www.macrumors.com
Edit 2: I’ve see others point out that Apple is actually late to the game here. A Microsoft technology called "PhotoDNA" (developed in 2014) has been adopted by tech platforms including OneDrive, Gmail, Google Photos, Facebook, Twitter, Discord, and Reddit. The difference is that these all happen on server. Apple is actively snooping on device.
Governments (especially the US) have found that they can use Big Tech to get around the rights of their citizens. I remember when computers and the internet were supposed to be liberating. Now it seems they are turning into Big Brother.
Edit: Currently Apple has the hooks for this process at the point photos are uploaded to iCloud. Why couldn’t they move the hooks to when pictures are saved on your phone? That way everything is caught in this massive dragnet.
Heck, maybe they can expand it to scan what is displayed on the screen that way you can’t look at “wrong think”. Chrome already does this to prevent phishing.
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Maybe this is why Apple isn’t forcing people to iOS 15? Maybe they are being forced by the government to put this in or be broken up via antitrust? Otherwise why wouldn’t they have announced this late Friday evening when fewer people would notice?
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Edit 2: I’ve see others point out that Apple is actually late to the game here. A Microsoft technology called "PhotoDNA" (developed in 2014) has been adopted by tech platforms including OneDrive, Gmail, Google Photos, Facebook, Twitter, Discord, and Reddit. The difference is that these all happen on server. Apple is actively snooping on device.
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Your encrypted data on iPhone is still yours. When you check the iCloud box , YOU choose to give up that privacy on those photos.
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