The government is the curator of the “naughty image” database……
this most certainly will become corrupt and politicized
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Privacy Whistleblower Edward Snowden and EFF Slam Apple's Plans to Scan Messages and iCloud Images
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this most certainly will become corrupt and politicized
The problem is it’s not a 1:1 hash. It can find a match on a manipulated picture. So how are false positives guaranteed to be so low with that amount of fuzzy matching?
Read the 4th amendment, then apply the concept of having the ability to do this type of activity. It isn't just Apple (the collective) that may or may not have ill-intentions, but others as well. This is a specific type of warrantless inspection capability that does not apply to other parts of their ecosystem. Slippery slope is a very fair and valid argument here.
This is where privacy and free speech die. They have the right (initial) reason but are doing the absolute wrong thing. Apple has demonstrated its willingness to bow to governments before, and they will eventually bow to governments on this one. They will expand their filter to search for anything the government wants, and I see this being especially used in China and other communist states that have a heavy-handed approach to censorship. This kind of backward move in privacy may be the reason I abandon Apple.
Just change the company name and the unreasonable arguments suddenly become reasonable!Google awaits your photos for full scanning
I own my device. Not Apple. The pictures/metadata/hash whatever it may be, is mine. Not Apple's. I own it. What gives them the right to install something on the device I own and scan and upload the data I own without my consent?
I applaud Apple for going after child predators, but this isn't the way to do it. I bought into Apple products because they sold me on privacy and security. How can you sell privacy and security now by taking data that doesn't belong to you in the first place and scan it for a possible match in a database somewhere that could possibly be flagged and looked at by someone else.
Like everyone else on here, I have nothing to hide. However the pictures/data on my device are just that, mine. I choose who I want to share information with, not Apple. What will be next, scanning texts/emails for phrases that could be deemed hurtful?
It would be different if Apple said we have this feature aimed at fighting child exploitation, etc.. and give us the option to help combat that.
I applaud Apple for going after child predators, but this isn't the way to do it. I bought into Apple products because they sold me on privacy and security. How can you sell privacy and security now by taking data that doesn't belong to you in the first place and scan it for a possible match in a database somewhere that could possibly be flagged and looked at by someone else.
Like everyone else on here, I have nothing to hide. However the pictures/data on my device are just that, mine. I choose who I want to share information with, not Apple. What will be next, scanning texts/emails for phrases that could be deemed hurtful?
It would be different if Apple said we have this feature aimed at fighting child exploitation, etc.. and give us the option to help combat that.
Of course but they don't blow the whole privacy smoke bazooka in your face.
Actually it's a massive sea change. It's the first time a major device manufacturer is installing software on users' devices that has the sole purpose of searching for blacklisted material and reporting you if it thinks it finds any. It negates all forms of end-to-end encryption since they can simply scan your information on the device before encryption. There is no accountability and no insight into what exactly is included in the hashed database of blacklisted material that is downloaded to your phone. It's designed so that you cannot know when the algorithm has decided that you are a criminal and reports you.
It is not at all comparable to companies scanning content on their servers that users have voluntarily uploaded after agreeing to terms of service. They are now reaching into *your* personal device whether you like it or not.
This is exactly what Snowden saying too.and it’s true,whether you agree with his previous actions or not.
first of all,Apple shouldn’t do this without some form of clear user permission,and let’s not forget this extreme policy is from a company who was promoting their strong user privacy policies,even refusing to unlock a suspected criminals phone for the FBI..so what happened now? privacy stunts don’t sell anymore? a new marketing stunt needed?
Who knows,but for many people,this privacy protection was the main reason of buying iPhones and Apple is now simply taking it away,in a very aggressive and extreme form.like no other!
Our arguments are not dependent on encryption…. Why are yours?
Anything that may piss off JJ Abrams should be a red flag.
The point is the accuracy is extremely high, no matter how you slice it. You and others are acting like there will be false positives left and right and on top of that, people will be thrown in jail for innocent images, LOL! Come on, let's get real please.
Again, I understand people's concerns about the bigger picture, but I DON'T understand why people feel the need to twist the facts regarding the details of this "smaller" picture being discussed now. Let's be fair and not act like every detail of what Apple is doing here is somehow suspect and sinister. You can admit that without supporting the general principle.
They scan them just a second before you bring those pics into their home.
And for sure they will ask for your consent when you update to iOS 15.
Don’t upload your pics to their servers and they won’t scan them.
I’m not saying there’s nothing concerning about this, but these are the facts.
It’s a bouncer guarding Apple’s club in the cloud.
Just don’t go there.
If I was an entertainment industry lawyer, I’d be salivating over the potential to pressure the government to expand this technology to sniffing out copyright offenders….
I’m not at all worried about false positives.
I am worried about my cartoon frog memes, election anomaly pics, and hunter Biden scandal explainers.
This deserves a re-post :
Things are different now.
(not for me,if they really do this,no more iPhones for me after 12 years simple as that)
Things are different now.
(not for me,if they really do this,no more iPhones for me after 12 years simple as that)
this prompted me to google “is it safe to upload pirated stuff to dropbox”
results from 2014
How Dropbox knows you're a dirty pirate, and why you shouldn't use cloud storage to share copyrighted files - ExtremeTech
Over the weekend, it emerged that Dropbox has the ability to stop you from publicly or privately sharing copyrighted content -- in other words, Dropbox has a system in place that prevents piracy. At first, this sounds rather sensible, but when you think about it some more, your assent slowly...
www.extremetech.com
looks like nothing new under the sun
Apple isn’t google. This is new ground being turned. We expect Apple to tell the feds to get a damn warrant.this prompted me to google “is it safe to upload pirated stuff to dropbox”
results from 2014
How Dropbox knows you're a dirty pirate, and why you shouldn't use cloud storage to share copyrighted files - ExtremeTech
Over the weekend, it emerged that Dropbox has the ability to stop you from publicly or privately sharing copyrighted content -- in other words, Dropbox has a system in place that prevents piracy. At first, this sounds rather sensible, but when you think about it some more, your assent slowly...
looks like nothing new under the sun
So every family photo of the kids at the beach/pool or running around the house in only their diaper are going to get flagged and the feds knock on your door?
I think people really haven't bothered to read much around this. Just the headline, then cracked their knuckles and went full tinfoil hat keyboard warrior.
This image is on the main page of Mac rumours.
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It has been stated that it’s not a true 1:1 hash. People aren’t thinking about that. It’s been stated it will detect crops, color adjustments, warps, transforms, rotations and more. Therefore, it’s not a true hash comparison 1:1. So how can they guarantee a similar photo with an adult won’t get flagged? What if that 24 year old looks like 15? What happens then? I know many people that look like they are in their teens. Even under manual review that can possibly be an issue. This isn’t as simple has hash match if they also can tell you manipulated the picture, which would produce a different hash but they still will match it.
Can I store some super illegal printed pics in a drawer at your place?
Leave the door open to let me in and don’t look at them.
Don’t be pressured by authorities to look at them.