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Hmm. I have had the pleasure of using an XPS M1530 and the hinge bezel extended to the top of the display, where the one on the Studio XPS 16 cuts off half way.

For comparisons sake:

MacBook Pro, 17-inch (Early 2009):
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Dell XPS M1530:
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Dell Studio XPS 16:
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See what I mean about the hinge on the Studio XPS 16 and how it looks as if it's just bolted on?

Although I still prefer the MBP's overall design over this dell, I actually like the hinges. It looks "industrial". They're trying to pull of a modern/chic look. I see how it might not appeal to everyone (tastes vary, obviously), but I predict that the majority of people will like this design over what else is available - especially in this price range.

I like what Dell did with this notebook, but it just wasn't enough to get my dollars this time around....maybe next time.


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for a 2.8 4gb 320gb 16" Dell it costs £1650 here

for a 2.93 4gb 320gb 17" MBP /w student discount, it'll cost me £1800. Ive got to be honest, the difference in price there is minimal, especially when im getting better hardware (and the use of OSX).

I admit without student discount, this wouldn't be fair; but i think student discounts on a dell is only 4%? which still isn't much lower (1580).
 
From the notebookreview.com review they noticed some keyboard flex around the enter key. Sony chiclet keyboards have always been better since that's where Macbook's copied their keyboard from. But I looked up the FW model you're talking about and it's not backlit, so that's a disadvantage.

Actually I'm a little surprised at the Sony FW. It says it starts at $799 which almost made me do a double take. Since when is a Sony cheaper than a Dell? Weird. The site claims 5.5 to 8 hour battery life depending on what battery you get. Doesn't look half bad for a 16.4 inch but that Intel graphics chip is bleh.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...0151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644570896

I think all the FW's come with the ATI Radeon 3650. The Dell's come with a slightly better 3670.
 
that is a nice thing, wouldnt say it quite had the looks of a Mac but its not bad.
if i was buying a laptop now i would definitely consider that.:)
 
I think all the FW's come with the ATI Radeon 3650. The Dell's come with a slightly better 3670.

Woah, you're right. For some reason the main page for the Sony Vaio FW says it uses an Intel X4500 graphics chip but when you click on the buy link it only gives an ATI graphics card option. This was what I got listed at the $799 starting price. I looked up what the XBRITE-ECO screen was and it's the 1600 x 900 resolution 16.4 widescreen. Not bad for the price.

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T5800 (2.0GHz)
Microsoft® Windows Vista® Home Premium 64-bit
White
2 GB DDR2-SDRAM (DDR2-800, 1GBx2)
160 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive [5400 rpm]
DVD±R DL / DVD±RW / DVD-RAM Drive
ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 3650 with 512MB vRAM
LCD 16.4" (XBRITE-ECO™)
No Fresh Start™
Video Standard
QuickBooks Simple Start
Windows Live OneCare 90-Day Trial
No Engraving
Microsoft® Works
None
WLAN (802.11a/b/g/n) with integrated Bluetooth® technology
Standard Battery
 
for a 2.8 4gb 320gb 16" Dell it costs £1650 here

for a 2.93 4gb 320gb 17" MBP /w student discount, it'll cost me £1800. Ive got to be honest, the difference in price there is minimal, especially when im getting better hardware (and the use of OSX).

I admit without student discount, this wouldn't be fair; but i think student discounts on a dell is only 4%? which still isn't much lower (1580).


But is that dell ram pc8500 ddr3 ram? Dell in the majority of thie products may have enticing specs, but they use sub-par or off brand components.
 
This comparison is a joke. The dell specked out identical to a 17" MBP (2.8, 8gb ddr3, 3 year warranty is over 3100 usd. Then you factor in the form factor, design, and OS of the mac and its a no brainer.
 
This comparison is a joke. The dell specked out identical to a 17" MBP (2.8, 8gb ddr3, 3 year warranty is over 3100 usd. Then you factor in the form factor, design, and OS of the mac and its a no brainer.

It is a "Brainer" as not everyone is able to afford $3100 for a MacBook Pro..

You can get a 2.53Ghz Dell Studio XPS 16 for just $1650.. The Base MacBook Pro with 2.66Ghz cost $2800...

Now, you do the math...
 
Woah, you're right. For some reason the main page for the Sony Vaio FW says it uses an Intel X4500 graphics chip but when you click on the buy link it only gives an ATI graphics card option. This was what I got listed at the $799 starting price. I looked up what the XBRITE-ECO screen was and it's the 1600 x 900 resolution 16.4 widescreen. Not bad for the price.

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T5800 (2.0GHz)
Microsoft® Windows Vista® Home Premium 64-bit
White
2 GB DDR2-SDRAM (DDR2-800, 1GBx2)
160 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive [5400 rpm]
DVD±R DL / DVD±RW / DVD-RAM Drive
ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 3650 with 512MB vRAM
LCD 16.4" (XBRITE-ECO™)
No Fresh Start™
Video Standard
QuickBooks Simple Start
Windows Live OneCare 90-Day Trial
No Engraving
Microsoft® Works
None
WLAN (802.11a/b/g/n) with integrated Bluetooth® technology
Standard Battery
I think the X4500 is used for "longer battery life" mode like the new macbook pros...or?
 
It is a "Brainer" as not everyone is able to afford $3100 for a MacBook Pro..

You can get a 2.53Ghz Dell Studio XPS 16 for just $1650.. The Base MacBook Pro with 2.66Ghz cost $2800...

Now, you do the math...

for under 2k the dell will come with 4 year warranty, bluray, and hdmi out.
Bluray and hdmi may not be important to mac users but it was for me.
 
for under 2k the dell will come with 4 year warranty, bluray, and hdmi out.
Bluray and hdmi may not be important to mac users but it was for me.

BluRay and HDMI are great additions that Macbook Pro does not have..

Do not forget that DELL Studio XPS 16 also has a DisplayPort to power up your 30" display at full 2560 x 1600 resolution..
 
Well, here's one piece of included software that NO WINDOWS PC CAN COMPARE. A Macintosh out of the box with NO installed software (even excluding iLife) can read any MS Word, Powerpoint, Excel spreadsheets and create, edit and read PDF's and read Apple's iWork suite.
Please Windows fanboys don't start with the "I CAN DOWNLOAD THOSE THINGS FOR FREE FOR MY PC". I'm talking about the out of the box experience. Many people that buy a computer are uneducated about what software to install on it to read files that they currently have.
I can't count how many recent switchers buy a Mac and start threads like "I just bought a Mac, now what?" "What programs should I install?"
Macintosh takes the guesswork away. There's nothing worse than a negative first impression. Yes, the Dell has some nice specs but when it's time to use it the out of box experience cannot possibly compare to the MBP. YES, PEOPLE WILL PAY EXTRA TO RELIEVE THEMSELVES OF FRUSTRATION. Specs are not the only thing that sells.

You have nailed it in one, OS X is great for the Techtards who have no idea. I got my uncle onto a Mac cause frankly he just struggles with computers....and getting a Mac was damage control.

As for files support.... please, its all about $$$, when OS X can play AVIs, WMVs, handle rar files etc, out of the box i will be impressed...And even my uncle who is a techtard, with no idea but a Harddisk full of AVI movies would still be at loss on how to get them working on a OS X without downloading DivX. As far as i am concerned AVI support is more important to people then the ability to view a PDF or office docs. And whoever buys a computer and only uses the out of the box software is really pissing money away, especially on a mac, you can get a $300 laptop for that, why spend $3000.

Having read these forums for over 3 years I have also noticed that the level of tech knowledge has been going down on these forums, and this i would attribute to the switchers from PC to mac (we are not getting the best and brightest coming over on average). And i have seen some many people have a huge grudge with vista (again the switchers), though most of them have not used the current build which is very stable.

So yes, i agree with your point......OS X = great package for simple users. At the same time there are some very very smart mac users, OS X is just an OS for them that they use to run their development tools, and at the end of the day it is a tool for them, for a start they would probably just download open-office to handle the office docs you mentioned.

PC v Mac is not the cold war again.....both have their strengths and weaknesses, those that use both get the best out of both worlds. Those that follow one blindly and flame the other without actually using it are clueless fanboys. Currently I use a MBA with Windows 7 on it, and very impressed.

I have been following threads about Google releasing Picasa and Chrome on OS X and the pathetic flaming from some apple users about how iPhoto and Safari 4 going to be so much better is just sickening, most of these users have never used picasa or chrome (hello free) and yet are prepared to defend apples products. There is no comparison, apple has the worst Fanboys, and that is mainly due to their inability to be open-minded and also lacking tech smarts, and as someone pointed out, they will defend he company, while PC Fanboys may defend a product, but will not extend that love to Microsoft. Apple can do wrong....
 
You have nailed it in one, OS X is great for the Techtards who have no idea. I got my uncle onto a Mac cause frankly he just struggles with computers....and getting a Mac was damage control.

As for files support.... please, its all about $$$, when OS X can play AVIs, WMVs, handle rar files etc, out of the box i will be impressed...And even my uncle who is a techtard, with no idea but a Harddisk full of AVI movies would still be at loss on how to get them working on a OS X without downloading DivX. As far as i am concerned AVI support is more important to people then the ability to view a PDF or office docs. And whoever buys a computer and only uses the out of the box software is really pissing money away, especially on a mac, you can get a $300 laptop for that, why spend $3000.

Having read these forums for over 3 years I have also noticed that the level of tech knowledge has been going down on these forums, and this i would attribute to the switchers from PC to mac (we are not getting the best and brightest coming over on average). And i have seen some many people have a huge grudge with vista (again the switchers), though most of them have not used the current build which is very stable.

So yes, i agree with your point......OS X = great package for simple users. At the same time there are some very very smart mac users, OS X is just an OS for them that they use to run their development tools, and at the end of the day it is a tool for them, for a start they would probably just download open-office to handle the office docs you mentioned.

PC v Mac is not the cold war again.....both have their strengths and weaknesses, those that use both get the best out of both worlds. Those that follow one blindly and flame the other without actually using it are clueless fanboys. Currently I use a MBA with Windows 7 on it, and very impressed.

I have been following threads about Google releasing Picasa and Chrome on OS X and the pathetic flaming from some apple users about how iPhoto and Safari 4 going to be so much better is just sickening, most of these users have never used picasa or chrome (hello free) and yet are prepared to defend apples products. There is no comparison, apple has the worst Fanboys, and that is mainly due to their inability to be open-minded and also lacking tech smarts, and as someone pointed out, they will defend he company, while PC Fanboys may defend a product, but will not extend that love to Microsoft. Apple can do wrong....

Very, very well said..

Can't imagine someone paying $3000 for a laptop and just use it with "Out of the box" softwares..
 
You have nailed it in one, OS X is great for the Techtards who have no idea. I got my uncle onto a Mac cause frankly he just struggles with computers....and getting a Mac was damage control.

As for files support.... please, its all about $$$, when OS X can play AVIs, WMVs, handle rar files etc, out of the box i will be impressed...And even my uncle who is a techtard, with no idea but a Harddisk full of AVI movies would still be at loss on how to get them working on a OS X without downloading DivX. As far as i am concerned AVI support is more important to people then the ability to view a PDF or office docs. And whoever buys a computer and only uses the out of the box software is really pissing money away, especially on a mac, you can get a $300 laptop for that, why spend $3000.

Having read these forums for over 3 years I have also noticed that the level of tech knowledge has been going down on these forums, and this i would attribute to the switchers from PC to mac (we are not getting the best and brightest coming over on average). And i have seen some many people have a huge grudge with vista (again the switchers), though most of them have not used the current build which is very stable.

So yes, i agree with your point......OS X = great package for simple users. At the same time there are some very very smart mac users, OS X is just an OS for them that they use to run their development tools, and at the end of the day it is a tool for them, for a start they would probably just download open-office to handle the office docs you mentioned.

PC v Mac is not the cold war again.....both have their strengths and weaknesses, those that use both get the best out of both worlds. Those that follow one blindly and flame the other without actually using it are clueless fanboys. Currently I use a MBA with Windows 7 on it, and very impressed.

I have been following threads about Google releasing Picasa and Chrome on OS X and the pathetic flaming from some apple users about how iPhoto and Safari 4 going to be so much better is just sickening, most of these users have never used picasa or chrome (hello free) and yet are prepared to defend apples products. There is no comparison, apple has the worst Fanboys, and that is mainly due to their inability to be open-minded and also lacking tech smarts, and as someone pointed out, they will defend he company, while PC Fanboys may defend a product, but will not extend that love to Microsoft. Apple can do wrong....

I disagree, everyone I know who are tech geeks use a mac and can do just as much or even more than with pcs.

Its true that PC users are mostly gamers that like the best of the best hardwares and download lots of different drivers to fine tune their GPU or overclock or whatnot.

Anyway I used to be one of those guys with PC's but when it comes to downloading music, movies, streaming, rendering, whatever you name it, I can do it on a mac just as easily (and yes you have to d/l software outside of right out of the box of what OSX offers to do much more).

Thats how great OSX is, if your an advanced user (tech geek) you can do so much more while the UI is much nicer/simple and its even greater when you have no knowledge and are illiterate in anything that comes to a computer. Thats what makes a great OS in my book.

My mother uses a macbook I handed down to her and since day 1 after explaining a total of 15 minutes on how to get online and check email, the past 3 years she never once called me to help her with anything nor messed up the OS where she accidentally deleted something or moved something she wasnt supposed to. (And its a different story for my father with a dell, where I had to reinstall windows a few times in the past 6 months because he accidentally moved something or erased something he wasnt supposed to).

My point is that when I was a PC user, I always thought macs were crappy because: 1) You couldnt game, 2) You couldnt download music, movies *cant really discuss this stuff here I guess* 3) Too expensive and none of these are true nowadays.

But these days Macs are great priced for what you get for the features/design, etc.. and I can do anything I want on a mac as I want to do on a Pc.
 
I disagree, everyone I know who are tech geeks use a mac and can do just as much or even more than with pcs.

Its true that PC users are mostly gamers that like the best of the best hardwares and download lots of different drivers to fine tune their GPU or overclock or whatnot.

Anyway I used to be one of those guys with PC's but when it comes to downloading music, movies, streaming, rendering, whatever you name it, I can do it on a mac just as easily (and yes you have to d/l software outside of right out of the box of what OSX offers to do much more).

Thats how great OSX is, if your an advanced user (tech geek) you can do so much more while the UI is much nicer/simple and its even greater when you have no knowledge and are illiterate in anything that comes to a computer. Thats what makes a great OS in my book.

My mother uses a macbook I handed down to her and since day 1 after explaining a total of 15 minutes on how to get online and check email, the past 3 years she never once called me to help her with anything nor messed up the OS where she accidentally deleted something or moved something she wasnt supposed to. (And its a different story for my father with a dell, where I had to reinstall windows a few times in the past 6 months because he accidentally moved something or erased something he wasnt supposed to).

My point is that when I was a PC user, I always thought macs were crappy because: 1) You couldnt game, 2) You couldnt download music, movies *cant really discuss this stuff here I guess* 3) Too expensive and none of these are true nowadays.

But these days Macs are great priced for what you get for the features/design, etc.. and I can do anything I want on a mac as I want to do on a Pc.

First of all, sounds like you hang around with a lot of Geeky mates who use a Mac, fair enough, though if you want a better understanding of your average mac user, spend sometime down the apple store near the Genius bar and listen to some of the issues they deal with.... you might change your mind. Heck, just read through these forums. If we are to stereotype, PC users are geeky, Mac users are creative.

In relation to "use a mac and can do just as much or even more than with pcs" this is just plain incorrect, you need both to get the best of both worlds..... since you brought up gaming lets use that as an example, gaming on a mac frankly substandard due to huge lack of games and inferior GPU driver support, ATI and Nvidia release drivers on a monthly basis for PCs that dramatically improve performance, the Apple ones never get updated, if anything they underclock the hardware so its more stable, and run GPUs way behind a PC (look at the Mac Pro...its a generation behind). But people who only use a mac will throw up their trump card..."But we have boot camp, so we get best of both worlds!" Well reality flash......once you go boot camp you are running a PC... beyond the design, the guts of a Mac are now the same as a PC. There is a very good reason that apple went down the Bootcamp path, they realized that if they wanted people to switch they would still have to offer them PC support.

PC users are mostly gamers, are you serious???? Who do you hang out with? sounds like your at university.....the gaming market is a very small share of all PC sales. If you are suggesting of the 90%(there abouts) market share that Microsoft has, they are mostly gamers... come on!. Google PS3, Wii and 360, PC gaming is a dieing art for the hardcore (but small segment), frankly consoles are killing it, and more game developers are developing games for consoles then PCs, this is a know fact. Trust me your average PC user would have no idea what overclocking is, nor would they even know that they could update their GPU drivers. Mac users are not Geeks and PC users are not gamers.

"downloading music, movies, streaming, rendering" hmmm Both a PC and a Mac will do these just fine. I think you are hinting at torrents, well PC has alot better clients for that. BTW, talking about torrents is not illegal, neither are torrents, its just p2p file sharing, piracy is only one element of it. Just like the internet is not actually about just porn and piracy...)

Also next time your in your local computer store have a look at the hardware, there is a fair amount of very nice gear that is not supported on a Mac. Same goes for alot of MP3 players. Thing is a PC user can walk into one of these stores and everything but an apple product will work on the PCs, Mac users are not so lucky, the same goes for Software (alot is not supported on a mac). Look at the logitech line, alot of PC only goodies there.

As for you Mum and dad example, If you dad did the exact same things as your mum the the PC be fine (visited the same sites etc) To me it sounds like your dad does alot more then your mum on his PC (installing software, visiting questionable sites ;) etc.

Macs are so much more safer then PC, and alot of it comes down to how easy it is to install software on a PC, download and click on the exe....bam! your on your way to messing up your OS cause you just installed some random program. On a Mac, not so simple, frankly most users have no idea what a DMG is, or how the heck you install a program. I just went through installing AC3 support on my Mac, On a PC its running an exe file, on the mac you have to put the codec manually into a library....you average user would have no idea how to do this, expecially when they are used to running exes.

As for
1) You couldnt game - In OS X, very limited game support, slow drivers, GPUs a generation behind.
2) You couldnt download music, movies - Any OS can do this, heck u phone can
3) Too expensive and none of these are true nowadays. - They are expansive for comparable hardware

To be really honest, and since i use both on a daily basis, its the PC i could not live without. The PC can do everything a mac can, but some things not as well (so instead of hitting my head on a brick wall i just get it done on a mac), but a Mac cannot do all the things that a PC can. There is a very good reason Macs run Parallels or similar vmware. Without it, there are just things you could not get done. For most people getting a mac is a lifestyle choice, not because they need one to make a living off.

I love my MBA to death and it is my favorite computer, I also have quad SLi PC gaming beast and run linux on another laptop. Depending on my needs I will use the one that suits situation. To say that one is as good or better then the other for everything is being very close minded. And no, I cannot game on my MBP, especially when i compare the experience to the PC, its like asking a mac user to be seen with a dell when they are used to showing off with a mac, not going to happen.

I'd recommend for anyone to download and try the Windows 7 beta, especially the ones that have been traumatized by vista, if you try it at least you have experienced it and you will have a stronger argument in the OSX v windows saga.
 
I'd recommend for anyone to download and try the Windows 7 beta, especially the ones that have been traumatized by vista, if you try it at least you have experienced it and you will have a stronger argument in the OSX v windows saga.

I've installed Win7 beta on my PC and I'm slowly starting to question whether I want to buy a Macbook at this point at all. Win7 id an impressive improvement even in beta stage. I actually like Vista a lot too and prefer it over XP, but the faster speed and overhauled UI in Win7 is very nice. Hopefully there are also battery life improvements because that's been a problem with Vista compared to OSX.

The biggest things OSX still has over Windows is more uniform keyboard shortcuts, menus, program looks and a much better program installation paradigm. Dragging a program into Applications is so much easier than hitting next-next-next-next-next-finish.
 
Though in regards to the actual topic of this thread, The XPS is much better value when you compare the hardware.

Sadly one cannot just compare the hardware, speaking about the 17" MBP, this is going to be bought by people who are going to be mostly using it for productive purposes like video editing, design and pro photographers etc, these people know thier stuff and a far beyond the average apple user. The matte only on the 17" inch is also going to force some people who did not want a 17" model but also cannot use glossy to make a living.

Now Apple has these people by the googlies, as thier investment in apple software is substantial, so even though the MBP 17" cost comes at a premium, its not like they have a choice to be honest, Its cheaper to pay $700-$1000 more for the same specs and stay with OS X then it is to but the same software liscences on a PC.

This in one area I am not happy where Apple is heading these days, Apple is dictating what hardware you need and creating product lines based on very simple cheap interfaces, such as if you need firewire, you now have to upgrade to a MBP 15", if you need matte, you are forced to go 17" MBP. So if i am user with legacy firewire devices which apple sold me and require a notebook but hate glossy......well i am forced to get the 17"...hmmmm I Still love my 12" Powerbook....it handled everything.

To summarize, its not easy to compare a PC to a mac of the same specs, cause OS X is the big factor, you get a much better deal with the PC but if you need OS X you do not have a choice. To the people trying to justify the hardware cost/better components, the guts are the same, they are all PCs now inside. For anyone that is not tied into OS X(or loves it), the XPS is better value.
 
I disagree, everyone I know who are tech geeks use a mac and can do just as much or even more than with pcs.

Like who are your friends and what is it that they do??

Its true that PC users are mostly gamers that like the best of the best hardwares and download lots of different drivers to fine tune their GPU or overclock or whatnot.

Not exactly, some people use PC because their work required software required them to do so.. Not every PC users is a gamer and a "Tech Geek" you know..

Anyway I used to be one of those guys with PC's but when it comes to downloading music, movies, streaming, rendering, whatever you name it, I can do it on a mac just as easily (and yes you have to d/l software outside of right out of the box of what OSX offers to do much more).

Is that all you do with your PC??

Thats how great OSX is, if your an advanced user (tech geek) you can do so much more while the UI is much nicer/simple and its even greater when you have no knowledge and are illiterate in anything that comes to a computer. Thats what makes a great OS in my book.

"You can do so much more" <--- Please define.. The last I look, there are still more softwares available for windows than Mac.. Google Chrome for example..

Yes, the UI is nice in Mac, but what is so bad about Vista?? :D

My mother uses a macbook I handed down to her and since day 1 after explaining a total of 15 minutes on how to get online and check email, the past 3 years she never once called me to help her with anything nor messed up the OS where she accidentally deleted something or moved something she wasnt supposed to. (And its a different story for my father with a dell, where I had to reinstall windows a few times in the past 6 months because he accidentally moved something or erased something he wasnt supposed to).

What did your father did to make you reinstall windows so often??

Even if he were to screw things up, there is this thing called "System Restore" in Vista where you can access VIA safe mode to restore your system.. Piece of Cake..

My point is that when I was a PC user, I always thought macs were crappy because: 1) You couldnt game, 2) You couldnt download music, movies *cant really discuss this stuff here I guess* 3) Too expensive and none of these are true nowadays.

But these days Macs are great priced for what you get for the features/design, etc.. and I can do anything I want on a mac as I want to do on a Pc.

Great priced only if you consider MAC OS X and its design to worth almost twice as much as an equally specced PC...
 
I wonder why dell doesn't just install Ubuntu with avant window navigator and open office along with the other useful opensource software as an alternative. For most OS X users that would be just as good or better than OS X. Dell could then lobby Adobe to bring over their software for Linux and OS X will have very little advantages over Linux.

Most everyone I know who use a Mac, including me would be better served with Linux if it could run Adobe software.
 
Apple is dictating what hardware you need and creating product lines based on very simple cheap interfaces...

You have no idea. When I was in the Apple store waiting to pick up my laptop, I heard a nerdy looking boy with pimples telling an older couple that the only computers that Apple sells that can run Photoshop are the Mac Pro's, and that a Mac Mini isn't powerful enough for simple color correction.

They were upgrading from a G3 iMac for crying out loud!
 
Durability, speed, design and os.

I would pay 1,500 for mac os, i got my first mac a few weeks back and i am just amazing, they really have thought everything through.

What you have to understand mac's os is designed to be fast as well as look good, so you can get a same laptop with the same specs but chances are the other computer will be slower, and it will become alot more obvious over time.

Up to you though.

The Dell looks a bit chunky, and the material isnt as breathable as aluminum.

alot of small variables come into play.
 
Here is the main point I think of when I look at the macbooks versus standard laptops.

Proprietary hardware.

When your machine is the same as everyone else's machine, you are more likely to see the same issues and more likely to have them resolved quicker. This also means longer and better support from the OS.

Dell and the other laptop makers pump out a new revision every day with slightly different hardware which creates different possible problems between them. On top of that, Windows is a general OS, and the vendors are in charge of testing the hardware with the OS. To keep work down and the products coming, you basically loose support for you laptop a week after you get it.

Case and point, I have a Sony VAIO, and it's only driver fix ever was issued the week it came out.

Another example, I deal with Dell laptops at work, and they all run the same same hardware and same OS images. I had a wireless module go on one a week after we got it, and they sent me a different module. Which required different drivers, and thus incompatible with the rest of the laptops. Dell told me this was what the new models had and it was better. The laptop was a week old, there shouldn't be a replacement model already when you are still selling this model. In order to get the same module, I had to trade in mine for a whole new boxed laptop.

When you buy a machine with proprietary hardware, you are buying not the OS, but the guarantee that it will work with that OS in a certain way for a certain period of time. Apple generally keeps there machines well supported for 5 years give or take. To me, that that is worth the extra money.
 
Here is the main point I think of when I look at the macbooks versus standard laptops.

Proprietary hardware.

When your machine is the same as everyone else's machine, you are more likely to see the same issues and more likely to have them resolved quicker. This also means longer and better support from the OS.

Dell and the other laptop makers pump out a new revision every day with slightly different hardware which creates different possible problems between them. On top of that, Windows is a general OS, and the vendors are in charge of testing the hardware with the OS. To keep work down and the products coming, you basically loose support for you laptop a week after you get it.

Case and point, I have a Sony VAIO, and it's only driver fix ever was issued the week it came out.

Another example, I deal with Dell laptops at work, and they all run the same same hardware and same OS images. I had a wireless module go on one a week after we got it, and they sent me a different module. Which required different drivers, and thus incompatible with the rest of the laptops. Dell told me this was what the new models had and it was better. The laptop was a week old, there shouldn't be a replacement model already when you are still selling this model. In order to get the same module, I had to trade in mine for a whole new boxed laptop.

When you buy a machine with proprietary hardware, you are buying not the OS, but the guarantee that it will work with that OS in a certain way for a certain period of time. Apple generally keeps there machines well supported for 5 years give or take. To me, that that is worth the extra money.

All my dells have vanilla windows loads. Dell has shipped me mixed and match parts and each and every time the driver has come with the part whether it is a direct replacement, upgrade, or a part from a completely different manufacturer.
Are you saying, for instance a network card X from the original build isn't compatable with network card Y from a replacement?
Seems odd.
With over 30 warranty calls for the in the past 8 years I have never been left with a dead computer after the first parts delivery.
30 warranty calls for 12 computers over 8 years. Most of the calls were after the 2 to 3 year point I don't recall ever seeing the exact same part for the replacement and that includes the mother board. Never had an issue.
My last company had dell and never had issues, sure a new driver may have been required but neve a full replacement.
 
Dell and the other laptop makers pump out a new revision every day with slightly different hardware which creates different possible problems between them. On top of that, Windows is a general OS, and the vendors are in charge of testing the hardware with the OS. To keep work down and the products coming, you basically loose support for you laptop a week after you get it.
Please, please elaborate on this. Also how can they not keep track of your original factory components?
 
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