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Well, here's one piece of included software that NO WINDOWS PC CAN COMPARE. A Macintosh out of the box with NO installed software (even excluding iLife) can read any MS Word, Powerpoint, Excel spreadsheets and create, edit and read PDF's and read Apple's iWork suite.
Please Windows fanboys don't start with the "I CAN DOWNLOAD THOSE THINGS FOR FREE FOR MY PC". I'm talking about the out of the box experience. Many people that buy a computer are uneducated about what software to install on it to read files that they currently have. [...]

I'd agree that Macs are ideal for clueless people (which is not the same as saying that Mac users are all clueless), however, if you look around in these forums, there are sticky threads about the software that everyone should add to what's in the box with a new Mac. ... and these threads aren't taht small or unpopular.
It's different from setting up a Windows machine in the sense that you normally don't have to remove adware, but there are important items on these lists that aren't even freeware. It's definitely not the X factor that makes Macs more attractive than other brands of computers... heck, if installing additional software was such a big barrier for new users, Linux would have a bigger market share and there wouldn't be as many windows boxes joining botnets :D

Back to the MBP and the bang for the buck, I'd really like to see its geekbench rating instead of the rating for that family of CPUs. That's how we'd see how much work Apple has put into optimizing that machine. We could even see how much a geekbench point costs at Apple vs. HP and Dell.
If I had the money for such a machine I'd be a bit scared of this locking out of 3rd party battery suppliers but apart from that it looks like a great product. Can't wait to hear about the performance and the sales of glossy vs. matte screens - that's a war that needs to be won :)
 
You might want to do your research first.

The MBP doesn't have 60% gamut, it has 60% greater gamut than the last 17". This doesn't tell us anything about how the screen qualities compare.

Built in card readers suck because as soon as you get a camera with the next generation of media that reader is obsolete.

Okay then –*so you're saying that Apple missed the boat, and SDHC is on the way out? :eek:
 
You might want to do your research first.

The MBP doesn't have 60% gamut, it has 60% greater gamut than the last 17". This doesn't tell us anything about how the screen qualities compare.

Built in card readers suck because as soon as you get a camera with the next generation of media that reader is obsolete.

Not true... most things are settling on SD cards, XD cards and compact flash.

Are you really trying to say that it's better to omit a feature, because seven to ten years from now you *might* not be using it? puhhhh-lease, Fanboy, at least attempt to make an argument.
 
I don't like the hinge on the Dell Studio XPS 16, on the outside (from the back) it looks okay, however on the inside it looks as if it's bolted on and cheap.
 
Not true... most things are settling on SD cards, XD cards and compact flash.

Are you really trying to say that it's better to omit a feature, because seven to ten years from now you *might* not be using it? puhhhh-lease, Fanboy, at least attempt to make an argument.

I dont know why people like the card slots, I really dont like them as every device that you want to use with a certain card comes with a usb connector to the computer.

The card slots just takes up room and just looks ugly on computers.
 
Its the same hinge as the xps15. it doesnt look that bad live.

As you are looking at the screen the keyboard to monitor is a very smooth transition
 
Its the same hinge as the xps15. it doesnt look that bad live.

As you are looking at the screen the keyboard to monitor is a very smooth transition
Hmm. I have had the pleasure of using an XPS M1530 and the hinge bezel extended to the top of the display, where the one on the Studio XPS 16 cuts off half way.

For comparisons sake:

MacBook Pro, 17-inch (Early 2009):
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Dell XPS M1530:
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Dell Studio XPS 16:
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See what I mean about the hinge on the Studio XPS 16 and how it looks as if it's just bolted on?
 
I dont know why people like the card slots, I really dont like them as every device that you want to use with a certain card comes with a usb connector to the computer.

The card slots just takes up room and just looks ugly on computers.

cant barely see the slot on my dell.
 
looks like a black wedge of cheese to me... not my thing... besides, I had too many dells go tits up on me
 
I dont know why people like the card slots, I really dont like them as every device that you want to use with a certain card comes with a usb connector to the computer.

The card slots just takes up room and just looks ugly on computers.

and work faster :rolleyes:

No duh! That's why people like them.
 
I was deciding between the MBP or the Sony FW... then I ran into this thread...

Wow... this new Dell is amazing. The only question I have is how good the keyboard is. Reviews say it's great... and it's back lit.

Wow... I would have never found this Dell Laptop without going to a Mac website.

Maybe the Apple community isn't that bad after all.

:D
 
Well, here's one piece of included software that NO WINDOWS PC CAN COMPARE. A Macintosh out of the box with NO installed software (even excluding iLife) can read any MS Word, Powerpoint, Excel spreadsheets and create, edit and read PDF's and read Apple's iWork suite.
Please Windows fanboys don't start with the "I CAN DOWNLOAD THOSE THINGS FOR FREE FOR MY PC". I'm talking about the out of the box experience. Many people that buy a computer are uneducated about what software to install on it to read files that they currently have.
I can't count how many recent switchers buy a Mac and start threads like "I just bought a Mac, now what?" "What programs should I install?"
Macintosh takes the guesswork away. There's nothing worse than a negative first impression. Yes, the Dell has some nice specs but when it's time to use it the out of box experience cannot possibly compare to the MBP. YES, PEOPLE WILL PAY EXTRA TO RELIEVE THEMSELVES OF FRUSTRATION. Specs are not the only thing that sells.

Are you arguing for yourself? When you talk about "the uneducated about what software to install," are you talking about yourself? I don't think you're an uneducated person that would not know what to download.

See, the difference between Windows Fan Boys and Apple iBoys are that the majority of Windows Fan Boys will argue about what's relevant to them and their personal experiences with the computer... and what they will do.

Apple iBoys will go out and attempt to defend the company on behalf of their customer base, not necessarily THEIR situation. As if they are obligated to defend Apple as a company and their products. As if... they are getting paid to rep Apple.
 
Apple iBoys will go out and attempt to defend the company on behalf of their customer base, not necessarily THEIR situation. As if they are obligated to defend Apple as a company and their products. As if... they are getting paid to rep Apple.

Agreed. HLdan is pretty zealous in regards to Apple. All I did was suggest that Windows might be as good as OS X, I never said it was better, and he's halfway down my throat! Telling ME that I'm drinking the Windows kool-aid and shouldn't even be on a Mac oriented site.
 
Not true... most things are settling on SD cards, XD cards and compact flash.

Are you really trying to say that it's better to omit a feature, because seven to ten years from now you *might* not be using it? puhhhh-lease, Fanboy, at least attempt to make an argument.
Then there's mini SD, micro SD, different flavors of memory sticks, etc. The reader can break or a card can get wedged inside. Readers are quite cheap. I prefer keeping the card reader separate.

All I did was suggest that Windows might be as good as OS X
:D laughable man!

Dell XPS M1530:
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Dell Studio XPS 16:
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Man, those Dellz are ugly. They must be pretty old models.
 
I was deciding between the MBP or the Sony FW... then I ran into this thread...

Wow... this new Dell is amazing. The only question I have is how good the keyboard is. Reviews say it's great... and it's back lit.

From the notebookreview.com review they noticed some keyboard flex around the enter key. Sony chiclet keyboards have always been better since that's where Macbook's copied their keyboard from. But I looked up the FW model you're talking about and it's not backlit, so that's a disadvantage.

Actually I'm a little surprised at the Sony FW. It says it starts at $799 which almost made me do a double take. Since when is a Sony cheaper than a Dell? Weird. The site claims 5.5 to 8 hour battery life depending on what battery you get. Doesn't look half bad for a 16.4 inch but that Intel graphics chip is bleh.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...0151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644570896
 
From the notebookreview.com review they noticed some keyboard flex around the enter key. Sony chiclet keyboards have always been better since that's where Macbook's copied their keyboard from. But I looked up the FW model you're talking about and it's not backlit, so that's a disadvantage.

Actually I'm a little surprised at the Sony FW. It says it starts at $799 which almost made me do a double take. Since when is a Sony cheaper than a Dell? Weird. The site claims 5.5 to 8 hour battery life depending on what battery you get. Doesn't look half bad for a 16.4 inch but that Intel graphics chip is bleh.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...0151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644570896
The Intel graphics is probably how they get away with charging that little.
 
Then there's mini SD, micro SD, different flavors of memory sticks, etc. The reader can break or a card can get wedged inside. Readers are quite cheap. I prefer keeping the card reader separate.
Seriously? I have NEVER experienced anything of the sort, no matter what type of card, no matter what kind of reader. NEVER had I have card getting "wedged" nor break INSIDE of the reader?
Are you saying that you use one card reader for micro sd, one for mini-sd and one for SDHC, one for each an every type of card out there, and no adaptors?
Seriously, to me it sounds like a) you rarely use any card whatsoever, and b) that you seem to invent problems in order to defend the omission of a very useful feature. Do you remember to apply the same logic to harddisks (i.e. we should not have a harddisk in a computer, because it might break), we should not have firewire in a computer, because there's a small risk of short-circuiting when hot-plugging, or how about omitting the exprescard slot, "because a card might get stuck or break when inside the computer". Oh,

Oh, I know, let's forego the charger plug and use non-recyclable batteries, because there's a chance it will fry the computer if hit by ligtning and connected at the same time!!






:D laughable man!
Did you mean to have a comma in that statement, or do you think you know him?



Man, those Dellz are ugly. They must be pretty old models.
Ah, yes, because crap-anodised aluminium is sooo futuristic and the most important thing is what we think other people are thinking about us at our favourite coffee shop. :rolleyes:
 
Seriously? I have NEVER experienced anything of the sort, no matter what type of card, no matter what kind of reader. NEVER had I have card getting "wedged" nor break INSIDE of the reader?
Are you saying that you use one card reader for micro sd, one for mini-sd and one for SDHC, one for each an every type of card out there, and no adaptors?
Seriously, to me it sounds like a) you rarely use any card whatsoever, and b) that you seem to invent problems in order to defend the omission of a very useful feature. Do you remember to apply the same logic to harddisks (i.e. we should not have a harddisk in a computer, because it might break), we should not have firewire in a computer, because there's a small risk of short-circuiting when hot-plugging, or how about omitting the exprescard slot, "because a card might get stuck or break when inside the computer". Oh,

Oh, I know, let's forego the charger plug and use non-recyclable batteries, because there's a chance it will fry the computer if hit by ligtning and connected at the same time!!







Did you mean to have a comma in that statement, or do you think you know him?




Ah, yes, because crap-anodised aluminium is sooo futuristic and the most important thing is what we think other people are thinking about us at our favourite coffee shop. :rolleyes:

Just curious, if your a Dell aficionado what are you doing on macrumors?!?
 
Ah, yes, because crap-anodised aluminium is sooo futuristic and the most important thing is what we think other people are thinking about us at our favourite coffee shop. :rolleyes:

Well the rest of your post did a great job of debunking other crap posts, you decided to screw up the last one, mainly the tired and untrue underlined part.

I know you no better than that crap stereotype, because you usually tear them down on this site, why your suddenly throwing one out there is beyond me.

Come on tosser, your better than that:p:cool:
 
What's wrong with the Dell hardware again?

Its just that I love Apple and macs but I never post on Dell related forums so that I can bash on Dells because I just dont care for their laptop/desktops. Whatever Dell lovers saids or touts about the Dell products, thats fine with me everyone has different love for anything in this world.
 
Its just that I love Apple and macs but I never post on Dell related forums so that I can bash on Dells because I just dont care for their laptop/desktops. Whatever Dell lovers saids or touts about the Dell products, thats fine with me everyone has different love for anything in this world.
What's wrong with posting on MacRumors complaining about Apple's hardware again?
 
Just curious, if your a Dell aficionado what are you doing on macrumors?!?

LOL, I never said I was a "dell aficionado" – I didn't even say I liked the design. I guess, though, by showing how nonsensical some argumentation is, one is suddenly supporting the opposite view? You cannot be serious :confused:

Well the rest of your post did a great job of debunking other crap posts, you decided to screw up the last one, mainly the tired and untrue underlined part.

I know you no better than that crap stereotype, because you usually tear them down on this site, why your suddenly throwing one out there is beyond me.

Come on tosser, your better than that:p:cool:

LOL, well, it is after all 2.52 am friday morning as I type this. :p



Partially serious, though, in the context it seemed like he waqs trying to suggest that the dell design looked dated (and Apple design did not) and by extention this should somehow be a huge factor. Of course, that sentence you underlined was meant sarcastically, but I propably should have work on it some more :D
 
Seriously?.... <snip>

Best post of the thread. I even agree with the coffee shop bit. I love Apple products as much as the next guy, but I can't stand the aura around Apple lately, everyone is defending every dumb decision Apple makes and it seems that people are just hoping on Apple now because it's trendy.
 
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