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Re: 7 pound Heat Sink

Originally posted by Huked on Fonick
This all seems faily reasonalbe except for the hole part about a 7 pound heat sink........
7 founds of aluminium that would take up the hole case. Lets put this into perspective. A Gallon of Water is a little over 7 pounds right around 8 pounds and i think aluminium is ligher than water????

My 0.02 USD

-Pat

:eek: Yeah, Aluminium is lighter than water.. LOL Sorry, but try this:
Take a ladder made of aluminium, and throw it in the nearby river. If it stays on the surface, you bought a ladder of wood. :rolleyes:

Except there is some hollow space in the ladder to hold it up!
 
Originally posted by DannyZR2
You morons...

SDR SDRAM
DDR SDRAM

BOTH are SDRAM.. get it straight you idiots!

You moron...

WE KNOW THAT
IT HAS BEEN SAID (I THINK) 4 TIMES IN THIS 1 THREAD

FOUR TIMES is ENOUGH.. get it straight you idiot!

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OK, I have been in a bad mood all day :(, dont take that personally. I dont want flames in this thread, but personally, I think that the picture is a prototype, and it is close (but not exactly) to the design of the upcoming PMs. I think the new PMs will sport up to 1.4 GHz processors, USB 2, FW 2 (questionable though :eek: ), and an all brushed metal case. But everyone is saying that the case is ugly, and that they are mad at apple. I will only be mad at apple if the PMs dont support DDR, dont go past 1.2 GHz, or if they dont ship with jaguar.

Sorry for the bad mood. :rolleyes:

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Emo
 
Originally posted by DannyZR2
You morons...

SDR SDRAM
DDR SDRAM

BOTH are SDRAM.. get it straight you idiots!

I just want to know if we'll get two dual configurations of 1.2 and 1.4. That would do it for me... -no jokes-

Calling people morons and idiots. I thought I was in a bad mood. You're forgetting one thing... DDR SDRAM is never referred to as SDRAM. Saying SDR SDRAM sounds redundant, therefore SDR SDRAM is often referred to as just SDRAM or PC133. DDR SDRAM is called DDR or DDR Ram.

Plus it's faster because it's Double Data Rate, rising and falling, ASYNC, whatever you want to call it. Therefore allowing for more memory thoroughput. They're different. Thus the distinction.

Dumbass (how do you like it?)

I'd like a Dual 1.2, too, but I hope it's not the top end.
 
Originally posted by thedude
Apple, if you're listening, here's the scoop. All my Peecee buddies keep saying that they would switch if the case looked a little more professional, more MEAN. They can't stand this translucent stuff.

U gotta B kidding. You mean people buy a computer for what it looks like, as opposed to what it does? I would think you'd buy a PowerMac 1) because it runs the Mac OS instead of Windoze, and 2) because it is fast, real fast, not some slow putz that still uses FREAKIN ATA/66 TECHNOLOGY and only PC133 SDRAM!

Many posts in this thread are hilarious because they are concerned the new PowerMac isn't as pretty as they'd like it to be. WHAAAAT?!? Who cares what the thing looks like?! Many people (myself included) put their PowerMac under their desk. As long as the design supports the hardware. Just give me more power and I'll be happy. 1GHz/dual 1.2GHz/dual 1.4GHz with ATA/133 and DDR RAM and the new Radeon graphics cards and I'll plop my money down the morning the announcement is made.

The new case design, whether close to the shipping version or not, at least shows Apple is designing a case to provide better cooling for the insides, which means faster CPUs. Assuming Apple is releasing a new case design in August, I would hope we see the largest speed bumps we've ever seen in a Mac (everyone keep saying, " 1GHz/dual 1.2GHz/dual 1.4GHz, 1GHz/dual 1.2GHz/dual 1.4GHz, 1GHz/dual 1.2GHz/dual 1.4GHz" and maybe it'll come true).

Also, don't forget the rumors for new displays. One said Apple is doing away with the 15-inch display and will be making 17-inch/19-inch/22-inch wide cinema displays, at better pricing that is current. Let's hope so. I'm prepared to buy the mid-range Powermac w/19-inch display if Apple actually offers it. If Apple can't do this I'll probably just buy and emac at EDU pricing just to tide me over until Apple can get their rear in gear to make a PowerMac that lives up to today's standards.
 
The look of the beast.

I found it quite bewildering that some mac people said that the look of the machine doesn't matter. You have to be kidding. The look has *always* mattered. Everything about the machine should be exceptional..from the OS, to the programs to the casings, etc. It must be a work of art.
 
Hahahaha!

deepkid, that was very funny!

Do you even realize that Pro Mac users could care less about the austhetics of their towers! The looks of the towers means absolutely nothing. It's the inside which pays the bills yo', not the outside. I for the life of me can't fathom why a Pro user would care if his/her machine looked good or not.

You described that the tower must look good on all levels... but you failed to mention performance, which obviously is where the G4 does NOT look good. That was a very funny reply deepkid, thanks.

I think the only people that would really care are the consumers who just need a PC at home. I agree the new iMac rocks, and I would love to have one, but I need speed and power alot more than I need pretty clear plastic and lickable buttons. Heh
 
New Power Mac Pics

Anybody take a screen cap or somthing of the Powermac picture? I was too late.....I should check the rumor sites more often.....Agggh not enough time in the day!
 
wow, I guess i hit a nerve somewhere. So basically everyone here is concerned with internals, and not about the look of a case. So what's up with this entire thread! If we really didn't care about what a computer looks like, then why is everyone trying to get the damn PDF? What I'm saying, is that for most of the people I know, the mac is just a little bit too "pretty" and by looking at it, the power that it has dosn't come through in the case design. I would personally want somehting that shows what the machine can do. Now, for all you who are thinking about all those mod guys with the pretty lights and the big ass fans, that's just plain stupid. Please, I think that's what separates the adults from the kids. I think a design based off the xserve, with similar design elements and hot swap bays would be look both very professional and very, mmm, "serious" is a better word. Oh, and while i'm at it, If this were any other company, looks wouldn't matter. But Apple is about image as well as substance. Look at the cube. That's what makes it different from your dell's and hp's. Open your eyes, Apple has been selling image for years now. It's brought them back into the black and kept them alive. So please don't patronize me about "looks don't matter" If they came out with a box like any other pc box, they wouldn't be apple.

I'm sorry but you're smoking the same stuff as the designers if you think that looks don't matter. Maybe in a perfect world, but if this was a perfect world, Apple would own M$.

Tell you what, I can get you a motherboard, just slap it on the table and connect your hardware. That'll give you the best cooling possible. Looks don't matter, right?
 
I think we can all agree we love the Mac OS. Why else would we be here? And we hate the way M$ does business.

But a lot of us loyalists, who once touted the superiority of the hardware, software, and the company in general, seem to be waivering. Apple isn't the only one running a business in an "economic slowdown". Most of us are at least budgeting, and need the most bang for our bucks.

Sorry to tell you, but Wintels are the competition. If Apple wants to win consumers, and keep us non-zealot supporters, they need to wake up. If Motorola is lagging, find other ways to make things look better. Faster FSB, memory, IDE, overall system improvements. The cases are neat and all, but what about what's inside? The software is Fantastic, give us the hardware to prove it. We all dislike Windows.

And M$. So why conduct business like they do? I support them buying up other companies to innovate (Apple, not M$), and giving us new software solutions, but at what costs. Should we just accept it, because it's the lesser of 2 evils? Should we just say, "well that's the fastest Mac there is, so I'll buy it". Or "it looks so stylish, who cares if it's still using last years technology". Why become complacent with the obsolesencs?

Should we have to over pay for things that others offer for free, or at least cheaper? People are mad because they feel extorted, and dammit, they have every right to be pissed. They paid extra because they thought they were getting more. Now they're getting the old "bait and switch". The extras of .Mac are worth $100/year, if they work. But what about the "free for life" e-mail. Or paying $1,000 for a new OS X.2 Server Liscense 2 months after buying a $4,000+ xServe? Or even FULL PRICE for an upgrade. They want us to buy hardware before an Expo, then punish us if we do.

See if anybody buys a new Mac after they announce 10.3, but before they deliver it. Next it will be XP type registration practices. Isn't this why we're trying to move away M$. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't get new customers by p*ssing people off, and you lose those that used to support you. How many of us used to rave to our friends, family, and co-workers about Apples? How many of us now think twice before recommending them? They want to switch people, give them a better reason to want to switch.

They want to move into the Pro realm, give us Pro hardware. Who cares if you have a 1.2 GHz CPU, if it's surrounded by ATA/133 (which really is better than ATA/66), 120 GB+ Hard Drives, PC2700 DDR, 166 FSB (x2), 2 CD Drives, USB 2, built-in Bluetooth, etc. It matters now. You can do it. How many of us use GB Ethernet, or used USB or FW when they first came out? You can't use modern day specs!?!

You want to charge us more, give us more. All you zealots can flame away. "Apple good, Wintel bad, must hide head in sand". You should see what the other side is saying, I'm a zealot to them. But I'm just trying to be a realist here. I want a new Mac, but nothing on the current roster suits my needs. I'm not paying $2,000 for style. I can't afford to. Not many can (and if you can, lucky you). Mr. Jobs, give me something fairly decent and I'll take a (slight) performance hit for the extra stability and ease of use.

It's my $$$, I'll take it where I think it would serve me best. And telling people to just go buy a PC doesn't help. Actually it just proves my point. Because that's exactly what people do. This isn't a private club, it's a business claiming to want new customers, and in doing so doesn't seem to be catering to it's current base. If anything, it's p*ssing off it's most important clientel by making a lot of really bad choices. We're not happy, and we, the customer, are what matter.

Voice your opinions people. And b*tch all you want, until someone listens. Because no, it's not "good enough".

We're mad as Hell, and we're not gonna take it anymore.
 
I'm not opposed to a well designed exterior of the next G4/5. I'm also not hung up on it being the best in the world. Quite frankly, I am unimpressed with the Quicksilver 933 I have here at work. I really could care less if it still looked like the older G4/3's or not. I am however quite happy with it's performance.

Leave the motherboard on the table... umm no. That would definetely suck. How long do you think it would last, you know, with all the dust, moisture, etc... that will be so openly available to the G4's innards. I'd at least cover it with the box it came in. :p
 
I still don't understand why PC users would switch to the Mac "if the case looked a little more professional, more MEAN."

The reasons I hear PC users not switching to the Mac is that they feel the Mac has no software/games, they already have all their years of documents in PC file formats, and they feel the Mac is overpriced (for example: $2299 for 933MHz/PC133 bus/ATA-66 technology). I've never heard a PC user say, "You know, I'd go with a Mac if it weren't for the silly look of that Quicksilver tower."

The leaked case photos look very similar to the current Quicksilver case. Sure, it is different, but similar, and it sure ain't no beige PC box. It still has the same basic shape and opens the same way as the Quicksilver. The el captain design is one of the easiest computer cases in the world to open and upgrade. I don't see how Apple could improve on the design that much.

Am I curious what the new case will look like? As a Mac user and potential customer, yes. Will the look of the case be the primary reason I buy a new PowerMac? No way. What will get me to spend my money depends on what is on the inside. If the new PowerMacs released in August have a hot new case that everyone loves (don't know if that is possible--always seems to be someone who doesn't like it) but only come in 933/1GHz/dual 1.2 GHz with PC133 SDRAM and ATA/100 at $1599/2299/2999, I'm gonna keep my money and not buy a new PowerMac. The look isn't going to get my money. Its what is on the inside that counts.
 
I definitly believe that performance is much more important than design, I'm not saying it isn't. It would be nice to have all the things that people have suggested. DDR (333) dual 1.2's (at least) a faster bus (166) and better io performance (ata133 or SCSI160). I am ASSUMING that apple will address these issues, (albiet a little late) and that the performace of the new g4's will exceed expectations.

Many of the pc users taht I have talked to feel that apple is charged a premium for design. Not for substance. This is where the problem arises. Imagine if apple released an ugly design. Then what would the pc world say? "not only is the mac half as fast as a wintel machine, but it's ugly too!"

I certainly expect a lot from apple, and I think that they should address performance issues first before redesigning the case. So what if the case has been the same for a while, if the performance is there, the converts will come.

But I don't think that you can just dismiss the importance of a well thought out design. Just look at what the imac did for apple. Slower computer, better design, more sales.
 
solvs, I hear you, but at the same time have to say ****. IF all you want is a nifty looking OS and the biggest numbers to quote than maybe the mac isn't for you. For me and everyone I know who uses one it's the stable OS, ease of use, and the apps that work. FCP is reason enough for me to not even consider a PC.
My macs have always been useful machines with very long lifespans and well worth the higher initial investment over the longterm. I too hope that these new towers are much faster and more powerful and that the G5 comes soon adn provides a quantum leap in performance but I have to admit that I am still very productive day to day on a first generation G4 450. How well does any wintel box from three years ago hold up? How about video software for under $1000 or even under $10,000 on a PC?
 
I don't think so

I don't think this is truely the new casing. I heard several months back that the new PM will sport a completely different look than the current model, a much narrower and sleeker look. This current picture seems to look alot like the old PM. I think this is apple f**king with the rumor sites. You will all be very surprised and I feel happy once you see the new and very different PM than what you are seeing here.
 
ooh, the suspense, the conflict, the broccoli...

Get over it... It's a case. As long as it's not too distracting, or beige, and it has functionality, I really don't care what it looks like... Now, for a laptop, I'd care more about what mine looks like, just because more people see me with it...

Besides, for all of you children who complain that it looks ugly, and that you're going to be humiliated by your pee-cee friends, get a life, and then go tell your pee-cee friends to go get a life too... I swear...
 
Originally posted by solvs
Saying SDR SDRAM sounds redundant, therefore SDR SDRAM is often referred to as just SDRAM or PC133. DDR SDRAM is called DDR or DDR Ram.

It does sound redundant, since the SDR (Single Data Rate) looks like SD*RAM, but the second SD means Synchronous Dynamic RAM.

And of course SDRAM can also be PC100, etc.

I think Apple is the only company that says DDR SDRAM.
 
Re: Hahahaha!

Originally posted by wchamlet
Do you even realize that Pro Mac users could care less about the austhetics of their towers! The looks of the towers means absolutely nothing. It's the inside which pays the bills yo', not the outside. I for the life of me can't fathom why a Pro user would care if his/her machine looked good or not.

Are you speaking for all of us pro Mac users? I make a living on Macs and the *aesthetics* DO matter. Why? Because some of us are artists and appreciate good design. Why should we care what our cars look like, as long as they drive fast? But we do.

Yes, mine is under my desk, but it's a really nice glass topped desk.

Do you think Apple would spend so much time on design if it didn't matter? It's in the details son, the details. This is why they win so many awards.

Of course we want a fast computer, but we don't want an ugly one either. I think the Xserve is a good indication of the path Apple will take performance wise.

Your grammar tells me you are 20 something?

What do you know about pros yo? lol
 
Well said Moon...

Humiliated? Okay, sure whatever...they're the ones running windows...

Nuff said on that...
 
I don't want to debate...

But I am an artist as well. I appreciate good design, and I applaud Apple for reinventing it's designs every so often. My first computer was a B&W G3. I didn't see any pictures of it before I bought it. I just bought it. I thought it would look like the old beige G3's I had used at the Joe Kubert School in NJ. But to my surprise I found that it was colorful, along with my 17" Apple Studio display. Cool. But how much did that extra "Design" work cost me? Doesn't really matter now, because the computer has paid for itself many times over.

As for being a Pro... I am also one of those few and proud... so to speak, Apple computer users (Since everyone assumes that only artists use Macs). I love the interface, the accesability of the inner hardware, and it's looks. I also like to work with them. Be it drawing in Photoshop, or Video Editing, Macs are a dream to work on. Funny thing though is I rarely use the Apple iApps, mainly because I really don't need them. Yet. I think I'll be playing around with iDVD, that is as soon as I can get an idea together for an animation or two.

And you are right about my age, which is 25. I usually don't write nor talk like that, I was just being silly. It's not like we all got a life anyway. I mean, we are here on macrumors forums talking about the design of the next G4. Pretty silly concept to begin with anyway. :D

If you'd like, check out my site. I don't know how long it will be up, being that Apple's new .Mac service is now a pay service. I'm still indecided as to whether or not I truly need it. I am not saying I am the best artist in the world. But I do get paid doing it. Using Macs of course. :D

Chad's ol' Website
 
Re: I don't want to debate...

Originally posted by wchamlet
If you'd like, check out my site. I don't know how long it will be up, being that Apple's new .Mac service is now a pay service. I'm still indecided as to whether or not I truly need it. I am not saying I am the best artist in the world. But I do get paid doing it. Using Macs of course. :D

Chad's ol' Website


Hey, very nice stuff. I just got done playing SmashBros Melee with my 10 year old son, so I had to show him your stuff... he liked it too. :)

I don't know if I'm going to pay for .Mac either... I have my own domain with email and all, but the mac.com address was cool.

My page:

David's Page

Let's not fight over the fact that we have the coolest looking computers around! And yes, we use Macs for Mac OS... no matter what the case looks like.
 
Cool

I like the Dragon pic the best. The 3D stuff is pretty cool too. That lady.. well, let's just say she is really pointing! LOL

I'm holding off on buying a new tower, (Macwarehouse screwed me over a few days ago, coulda had a DP G4 for $2,299.), until Maya 4.5 is released. I'll probably get whatever the top Powermac is at the time. What 3D app did you use for your pics? Bryce? Lightwave? If I would have known how 3D would have advanced, I definetely would have picked it up years ago.
 
Dangling Carrots

(One wonders...) How hard would be to get start the rumor wagon about the newest G5 and the next iteration of their cases. It seems to me, if you watch all the rumors sites, glean the best "specs" and information, while being mindful to throw out the frivolous and ridiculous. That combined with a decent "photoshoped" image, then how long would it take the whole mac rumor community to be abuzz about the secret cases or the next chips.

I mean how often does Microsoft send you a check for $25,682.21 if you forward the "newest tracker" email to all of your friends in the next five minutes?
 
Re: Cool

Originally posted by wchamlet
I like the Dragon pic the best. The 3D stuff is pretty cool too. That lady.. well, let's just say she is really pointing! LOL

I'm holding off on buying a new tower, (Macwarehouse screwed me over a few days ago, coulda had a DP G4 for $2,299.), until Maya 4.5 is released. I'll probably get whatever the top Powermac is at the time. What 3D app did you use for your pics? Bryce? Lightwave? If I would have known how 3D would have advanced, I definetely would have picked it up years ago.

Thanks. I used Bryce and Poser for the 3D stuff. All the 2D stuff was Illustrator and Photoshop. The Dragon was done in Painter. Was one of those things that took ten minutes lol I'm trying to learn Maya and Lightwave...

I'll using a G4/466 that I bought last year... all ready obsolite! I have a gig of RAM in it though, so I think I'm going to get one of the 1GHz G4 upgrades that are coming out and hold off a while on a new Mac.

Wait until the new towers come out and then the prices of the current ones will drop. Check out Smalldog.com.
 
Originally posted by SPG
solvs, I hear you, but at the same time have to say ****. IF all you want is a nifty looking OS and the biggest numbers to quote than maybe the mac isn't for you. For me and everyone I know who uses one it's the stable OS, ease of use, and the apps that work. FCP is reason enough for me to not even consider a PC.
My macs have always been useful machines with very long lifespans and well worth the higher initial investment over the longterm. I too hope that these new towers are much faster and more powerful and that the G5 comes soon adn provides a quantum leap in performance but I have to admit that I am still very productive day to day on a first generation G4 450. How well does any wintel box from three years ago hold up? How about video software for under $1000 or even under $10,000 on a PC?

You missed my point. Higher #'s don't mean anything. It's the technology. DDR Ram is better than SDRam (it just is). ATA/133 allows for hard drives over 128-137 GBs. And other people looka t numbers. The MHz myth you can, maybe, use. Up to a point. ATA/66, PC133 on the HIGH END!?! Hate to tell you, but we're trying to convince other people to switch. Telling me that Macs just aren't for me because I expect more from a $3,000 + machine just proves my point.

The fact that you still use an older G4 also proves my point. I'm not upgrading either until they give me a better reason than a few more MHz. Is it so much to ask for better I/O? THIS IS AN EXPENSIVE MACHINE. Several thousand $$$. That's a lot of money. Apps notwithstanding, especially since I won't even use most of them. And some of the ones I might have used are no longer free.

Yes Windows SUX. But I'm not paying thousands of dollars more for a little more style and a little more stability, but far more limited and much slower. Win 2000 is stable enough for some stuff, and face it, much faster for a lot less money. I'd be willing to pay more for style and stability if the performance hit was slightly less significant. If you were in the market for a new computer and on the fence, what would you realistically choose? Most people would choose the PC, and I don't blame them.

I'm not going to blindly follow a company that's doing the same type of thing that we hate it's competitor for.

And why is it that every time someone critizes Apple for something that they've done that we feel is wrong everybody tells us to ****. I am entitled to my opinion, as you are yours. And I feel that I am rightfully pissed at a company I used to love. They may be profitable now, but when you continually p*ss off your most fervent users, you stand to begin losing customers. And you don't keep the ones you gain. Look around. I'm not exactly in the minority here.

Tell people to go buy a PC (yeah, cuz that helps), and they will.

Saying we don't need you doesn't help either. We do!!!
 
Shocking

So if the new case IS some sort of brushed metal, does that mean that every time I walk across my carpeted floor and I touch my new mac, I will get shocked?

And would that be considered a new feature??
 
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