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Problem with window users calling the iPad a oversized iPod!
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These kind of people underestimate what screen real estate does to change a device. The TV analogy doesn't work because functionality remains the same and there are only incremental improvements not exponential with each size increase. When you use a device like the iphone or ipod touch, the limitations may be somewhat apparent because of size (although there are obvious benefits to it). With the ipad, increasing the screen size exponentially increases its functionality. Despite it not being a content creation machine like the MBPs, I believe that is the area of apps that will begin to grow the most and it's because the screen size allows for it (among other things). The usability of Photoshop.com on the ipad, apps like sketchbook pro, and others increases dramtically. On the iphone, those apps are gimmicks, now they are real applications. I wouldn't even be surprised to see apps like iWeb from the iLife suite being ported to the ipad. On the iphone (or touch if you will), that would be impossible. Not because of the hardware necessarily, but because of the screen size. I could rant for hours...
macuserx86
macrumors 6502a
my mind literally shut down for a few seconds after reading that. I was unable to think of anything; I think my brain had a kernel panic and had to re-boot.
I agree that recently there has been a huge demand for macs... mainly driven by the iPod and iPhone success. I also agree that Apple is becoming a consumer product mainstream company.... but I wouldn't put them there yet. Their market share in terms of computers and OS - desktop and laptop - is still very small: not higher than 10% globally (being wildly optimistic). The median of Apple OS usage estimations is only 5.90% globally! They are still catering to a somewhat elite consumer - that who can afford to pay the mac premium (which may be the reason why we mac users tend to see more macs in our circles). So technically, it's not mainstream at all in the software or hardware side.
Nevertheless, in my recent experience, I have suffered the mainstream effects: a clear shift in quality that (I guess) comes from a company that's becoming too big, too fast and too greedy. The quality of the new products aren't near the quality of (e.g.) a titanium powerbook or older systems (now, of course, nearly obsolete). This fever they've got of launching new products every year, and refreshing them every 6-10 months with marginal differences is making them lower their quality standards and neglect their base and long time loyal professional customers. But anyway, that's business...
ImperialX
macrumors 65816
I'm quite sure the Mac's market share is a bit higher than 4% the last time I checked.
Not globally.
It's definitely less than 5% because Toshiba is the 5th highest vendor with a share of just over 5% in the last quarter and Apple hasn't hit the top five since the early nineties.
instaxgirl
macrumors 65816
There are so many more irritating things Windows users could (and do) say.
Especially when you've given them no provocation to start the mac vs pc thing. (I resent people having a go at me because of the computer I use)
Now that I've shaken off mild RDF caused by launch fever everywhere I'm back to seeing giant flaws in the iPad as well. For many people there are plenty of them to see, whatever your OS.
thanks. I also thought it was around 10%, but then I remembered this figure was something I read about browser usage, where Safari is also being used by windows users. Then I researched a bit and found the median for OS usage estimations, where only one firm puts mac OS in around 10%, but all the other firms place it much lower - thus being around 4-6% maximum.
Cheers!
cobaltrich27
macrumors 6502
Let it go.
Ain't worth the trouble worrying about it. Never understood all of that was like the old Netscape anti Internet Explorer t-shirts LOL.
I do contract work as a PC Tech on the side and my first mac was a gateway pc using flat install hackintosh osx. I fell in love with Mac
Now years later I own 2 MacBook pro's, 2 itouch's, 2 iPhones & a iPad.
I still do Beta testing and PC hacking so my Macbooks both have XP, windows 7 etc..
Now the iPad has changed my course a bit.
I originally used a powerful nvidia pc for home theater & I was going to get a nvidia Mac mini but now think I will continue to use 1 of my nvidia MacBooks to play my bluray rips on my 65" HDTV and forget about the Mac mini completely.
The iPad is so much easier to use on the couch, on the go etc... I primarily work in the medical field and have a lot of people that come to me for advise about buying a new computer.
I tell them to get a Mac and dual boot Windows if they still need Microsoft for an application. So there ya go I'm a PC, I use Mac & love my iPad 😀
Ain't worth the trouble worrying about it. Never understood all of that was like the old Netscape anti Internet Explorer t-shirts LOL.
I do contract work as a PC Tech on the side and my first mac was a gateway pc using flat install hackintosh osx. I fell in love with Mac
Now years later I own 2 MacBook pro's, 2 itouch's, 2 iPhones & a iPad.
I still do Beta testing and PC hacking so my Macbooks both have XP, windows 7 etc..
Now the iPad has changed my course a bit.
I originally used a powerful nvidia pc for home theater & I was going to get a nvidia Mac mini but now think I will continue to use 1 of my nvidia MacBooks to play my bluray rips on my 65" HDTV and forget about the Mac mini completely.
The iPad is so much easier to use on the couch, on the go etc... I primarily work in the medical field and have a lot of people that come to me for advise about buying a new computer.
I tell them to get a Mac and dual boot Windows if they still need Microsoft for an application. So there ya go I'm a PC, I use Mac & love my iPad 😀
You make it sound like Windows users are the only haters. No way that's true. I'm a Windows guy, never owned a Mac and I knew I wanted an iPad the first time I saw one.
Here are 10 very interesting articles in a series of arguments disproving myths iPad haters often use as leverage to attack the iPad: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/01/31/ten-myth-of-apples-ipad-1-its-just-a-big-ipod-touch/.
Until you can print from the device and get a file into it without having to jump through hoops it really is an oversized iPod touch.
I told my wife to get it for me for my birthday though. It's going to sit on my coffee table to browse the web, check mail and go on plane rides to watch movies (10 hour video time is awesome).
But yeah, it's an oversized iPod touch. Not that there's anything wrong with it. That and being gay. Nothing wrong whatsover.
I told my wife to get it for me for my birthday though. It's going to sit on my coffee table to browse the web, check mail and go on plane rides to watch movies (10 hour video time is awesome).
But yeah, it's an oversized iPod touch. Not that there's anything wrong with it. That and being gay. Nothing wrong whatsover.
Leo Laporte, while reviewing HIS iPad (one of the first 4 he bought) for Turn-the-table Tuesdays, admitted it was essentially a big iPod Touch. He said it in an affectionate way. 😉
Some people just want to be against what is popular. The iPad has been everywhere in the media for the past week - and everyone is saying how 'magical', 'wonderful', 'amazing' it is. Some people are disgusted with all the media coverage, along with themselves never using the device, want to be 'against the iPad'.
I have a co-worker who is the same way. He 'hates' the iPad. When someone brought an iPad in, he said 'don't get that piece of crap near me.' And he never looked at it. But he still has the same opinion that it's crap without ever using it.
It's just the way some people are. Look at all the people who hate Obama and in turn hate everything he stands for. If Obama spoke that he wanted to save all the puppy dogs in America from abuse, an anti-Obama hater would find some excuse to dislike this idea - 'I don't approve my tax dollars for saving puppy dogs!'. But if George Bush said this, 'That's the best thing ever! He loves puppy dogs!'.
Democrats vs. Republicans and Apple fan-boys vs. Apple haters have a lot in common.
I have a co-worker who is the same way. He 'hates' the iPad. When someone brought an iPad in, he said 'don't get that piece of crap near me.' And he never looked at it. But he still has the same opinion that it's crap without ever using it.
It's just the way some people are. Look at all the people who hate Obama and in turn hate everything he stands for. If Obama spoke that he wanted to save all the puppy dogs in America from abuse, an anti-Obama hater would find some excuse to dislike this idea - 'I don't approve my tax dollars for saving puppy dogs!'. But if George Bush said this, 'That's the best thing ever! He loves puppy dogs!'.
Democrats vs. Republicans and Apple fan-boys vs. Apple haters have a lot in common.
If you had to summarize an iPad in as few words as you could, I would say: A big iPod touch. But it's a LOT more than that!!!
Summarize a Corvette in 4 words: Fast expensive sports car.
So, if I owned a Toyota Corolla, and thought that my $300/month payments were high, and that 90mph is 'very fast - as fast as I'd ever want to go' and my Toyota can do this. Would I now hate the Corvette because it's just stupid? Yes. On those terms, the Corvette doesn't make sense. But the Corvette is so much more.
I bet you'd get more girls looking at you driving a Corvette over a Toyota Corolla, same as you'd get more girls looking at you using an iPad vs. a Dell netbook.
NC MacGuy
macrumors 603
The problem isn't with windows users. The problem is with Apple product owners like the OP. Sorry - but who care what someone else says? If you like your purchase that's all that matters. There's no need to get into a debate or whine about how people don't understand or whatever the "argument" is. Just smile and say thanks.
And being one of the people who had no interest and now own one, to the poster above me asking how it's different - well for starters, there's a different processor on board. Unless I'm mistaken, unlike the iPod Touch - it has an IPS display. It also has other hardware differences like an orientation lock. Some might see these as insignificant - but with a device that's a larger iPod touch - it makes quite a bit of difference.
Also - by the sheer nature of being larger, it allows you to do things that you can do on the iPod touch - but are either a miserable experience and/or simply not practical.
I don't have a problem with people saying it's a bigger iPod - because ultimately who cares. That's just semantics and splitting hairs to me. It's like saying an olympic sized swimming pool is the same as a kiddie pool. Sure - they're both pools and have the same functions. But try and dive into a kiddie pool. Try and swim laps in a kiddie pool. Try to immerse yourself completely in a kiddie pool.
And being one of the people who had no interest and now own one, to the poster above me asking how it's different - well for starters, there's a different processor on board. Unless I'm mistaken, unlike the iPod Touch - it has an IPS display. It also has other hardware differences like an orientation lock. Some might see these as insignificant - but with a device that's a larger iPod touch - it makes quite a bit of difference.
Also - by the sheer nature of being larger, it allows you to do things that you can do on the iPod touch - but are either a miserable experience and/or simply not practical.
I don't have a problem with people saying it's a bigger iPod - because ultimately who cares. That's just semantics and splitting hairs to me. It's like saying an olympic sized swimming pool is the same as a kiddie pool. Sure - they're both pools and have the same functions. But try and dive into a kiddie pool. Try and swim laps in a kiddie pool. Try to immerse yourself completely in a kiddie pool.
sammich
macrumors 601
Small Car, big SUV. Both are cars, both move stuff and people. One moves bigger stuff (which is a feature in itself).
Small touch screen with iPhone OS. Big touch screen with similar OS. Both display media, run apps. One displays bigger stuff (again, feature).
What are we arguing about here?
Small touch screen with iPhone OS. Big touch screen with similar OS. Both display media, run apps. One displays bigger stuff (again, feature).
What are we arguing about here?
When I describe my pad to people the best description I can give is just that an oversized iPod touch or iPhone. In fact the reason why I bought it is because it's a bigger iPod and could do everything my iPhone can just at a bigger screen.
Netflix? Okay that might not be a huge reason but it is different. More battery life, faster? That counts right?
And I think the "it's a big iPod touch" is a bad analogy. Sure you can surf on both play games on both, watch video on both -- but it's much much better on the iPad.