Prometheus Spoiler Thread- Wait Until You've Seen It

[Huntn]

Although it will be hard to have much of a movie with only one character and the head of a robot. But, who knows?

You are really limiting your outlook.

This link explains the background of the story.
A lot of symbolism, and themes.

There is a reason for everything in the movie.

http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1

Read it only if you have seen the movie.

Great link. I find this very interesting:

So how did our (in the context of the film) terrible murderous act of crucifixion end up wiping out all but one of the Engineers back on LV-223? Presumably through the black slime, which evidently models its behaviour on the user's mental state. Create unselfishly, accepting self-destruction as the cost, and the black stuff engenders fertile life. But expose the potent black slimy stuff to the thoughts and emotions of flawed humanity, and 'the sleep of reason produces monsters'. We never see the threat that the Engineers were fleeing from, we never see them killed other than accidentally (decapitation by door), and we see no remaining trace of whatever killed them. Either it left a long time ago, or it reverted to inert black slime, waiting for a human mind to reactivate it.

The black slime reacts to the nature and intent of the being that wields it, and the humans in the film didn't even know that they WERE wielding it. That's why it remained completely inert in David's presence, and why he needed a human proxy in order to use the stuff to create anything. The black goo could read no emotion or intent from him, because he was an android.

Shaw's comment when the urn chamber is entered - 'we've changed the atmosphere in the room' - is deceptively informative. The psychic atmosphere has changed, because humans - tainted, Space Jesus-killing humans - are present. The slime begins to engender new life, drawing not from a self-sacrificing Engineer but from human hunger for knowledge, for more life, for more everything. Little wonder, then, that it takes serpent-like form. The symbolism of a corrupting serpent, turning men into beasts, is pretty unmistakeable.

Is this speculation or what Ridley Scott said? It's pretty heady stuff. The reason I focused on the weaponized aliens theory was because this base was supposed to be far removed from the alien huminoids home planet. Even if the black goo could used to seed planets with "normal" life forms, I assumed this was a bio-weapons lab and this specific ship was carrying evil black stuff to destroy the human race with.

What a Turd.

Failed on so many levels. I'm so disappointed. I doubt they'll get a chance to finish this very weak story.

Depends... on how much money it makes.

Don't forget the question of why did the alien infect himself at the start of the movie. Why did he do that? Where was he supposed to be, earth or somewhere else?

I was forced to go get food and missed that. I assume this was the seeding of the Earth sequence?

 

[Huntn]

It explained where the Alien came from and stuff, but something seems way off with the timeline of the whole series.

You are not the first to say this. What is the problem with the timeline? From what I've read, it seems inline to me. In the spoiler thread I listed the time references for the first two aliens movies compared to this one.

Why does everyone state this is sort of a prequel?!

extremely mild spoiler>>Because it gives background regarding the Alien the crew encounters in the original film. <<end spoiler.

Then again I think the FIRST movie was completely different planet and the ships name "Prometheus" being a long line continued brand much like we have discovery, etc for the space shuttles).

Prometheus is a symbolic name in more ways than one. Heavy Duty Spoiler Link.

 

[firestarter]

Why does everyone state this is sort of a prequel?!

Because it is, and Ridley Scott says it is too.

I havent' seen it yet

And that's why your opinions on what the movie is or isn't really aren't worth the pixels they're written on, until you actually go see it!

 

[sk1wbw]

You are not the first to say this. What is the problem with the timeline? From what I've read, it seems inline to me. In the spoiler thread I listed the time references for the first two aliens movies compared to this one.

Well, at the end of the movie, you see what becomes the Alien as we know it in the other movies. But it looks much different, so that means it evolved into the Alien that we know, along with somewhere along the timeline it evolved to the point of a queen coming along.

But if you remember, in Alien, the planet in the movie isn't the same planet in Prometheus, so that means another one of these Engineer's ships was on that planet. We saw one dead in that circular room sitting in the chair that we all thought was a gunner's turret chair or something. That Engineer's chest had exploded outward from an Alien, and later on everyone saw the eggs there, presumably layed by the Queen Alien. This makes me wonder how many hundreds of years have progressed for the alien we saw at the end of Prometheus to evolve into the ones we all know and recognize, especially to evolve to the point where there's so many Aliens that a Queen come to be in existence. So where did the Queen Alien come from? She had to come from some being, maybe one of the Engineers?

Without dates as to when Alien took place, it's all a bit foggy. Everyone knows that 57 years passed from the end of Alien to the beginning of Aliens, but what about the start of Alien Resurrection? How long did it take to get the DNA of Ripley to start trying to grow her on that ship? At the end of that stupid other Alien movie, she died trowing herself into that fire pit or whatever as the Alien exploded from her chest.

 

[steviem]

Yeah, he was being dropped off to seed life on earth. The stuff he drank tore apart his DNA and started multiplying.

I feel like there were a few more target planets in that hologram that David found.

 

[firestarter]

stuff

Dude - why not delete that and re-paste in the spoiler thread?

 

[sk1wbw]

Dude - why not delete that and re-paste in the spoiler thread?

Because it's not a spoiler? Hmmm....

 

[Huntn]

Well, at the end of the movie, you see what becomes the Alien as we know it in the other movies. But it looks much different, so that means it evolved into the Alien that we know, along with somewhere along the timeline it evolved to the point of a queen coming along.

But if you remember, in Alien, the planet in the movie isn't the same planet in Prometheus, so that means another one of these Engineer's ships was on that planet. We saw one dead in that circular room sitting in the chair that we all thought was a gunner's turret chair or something. That Engineer's chest had exploded outward from an Alien, and later on everyone saw the eggs there, presumably layed by the Queen Alien. This makes me wonder how many hundreds of years have progressed for the alien we saw at the end of Prometheus to evolve into the ones we all know and recognize, especially to evolve to the point where there's so many Aliens that a Queen come to be in existence. So where did the Queen Alien come from? She had to come from some being, maybe one of the Engineers?

Without dates as to when Alien took place, it's all a bit foggy. Everyone knows that 57 years passed from the end of Alien to the beginning of Aliens, but what about the start of Alien Resurrection? How long did it take to get the DNA of Ripley to start trying to grow her on that ship? At the end of that stupid other Alien movie, she died trowing herself into that fire pit or whatever as the Alien exploded from her chest.

This would better be discussed this in the spoiler thread so I moved your quote and my reply.

This is my understanding:
Alien Timeline
Prometheus- 2093
Alien- 2122
Aliens- 2178 (I think)

I don't believe Ridley Scott was thinking about Prometheus in 1978 when Alien came out, so there is some artistic license involved and speculation required to imagine how the alien queen came into being. I'd have to surmise that the Engineer's experiments with black goo went wrong in different locations and they became victims of their own bio-warfare experiments. Apparently DNA mutation is involved, this is why we see different types of creatures, including the one that popped out of the dead Engineer at the end of Prometheus.

As described by a link, which I quoted in reply #25, I don't necessarily buy into the concept that black goo causes different mutations based on the psyche of the creature that is near by. In retrospect, when you see the black goo flowing in the storage chamber room, there are little worms flip floping around in it. I believe these mutate into the eel like creature that attack the crew member. So what, they were bad bugs before the mutation? The other crew member becomes mutated into the thing that attacks back at the ship.

The other issue is that the canisters seemed to be rigged as bombs with triggers. All the black goo activity only started when the crew walked in. This screams weapon to me. It's easiest to go with the theory that these creatures were simply bio-weapons. The original aliens, with acid for blood seem perfectly suited to this explanation.

Then there is this from AvP Wiki:

Little is known of this race. The principal theory of their connection to the xenomorphs, which was mentioned briefly by Ridley Scott in his director's commentary for the first Alien DVD, is that the Jockey's ship was a "bomber" and that they used them as biogenic weapons to fight an ancient war. There is some evidence to support this, such as the Xenomorph's biomechanical nature. Alien eggs were believed to be used as "bombs" on an enemy planet and then the Xenomorphs would proceed to kill the entire population as they spawned.

I've been thinking about the alien that Elizabeth Shaw became impregnated with. It seems like this creature was the equivalent of the face hugger, but instead of developing in an egg, it was developing in her belly. This is why it still performed the face hugging maneuver on the Engineer.

 

[Huntn]

Well, at the end of the movie....

Actually a lot of it is spoiler terriroty.

This is my understanding:
Alien Timeline
Prometheus- 2093
Alien- 2122
Aliens- 2178 (I think)

I answered the rest of this in the spoiler thread reply #27.

 

[sk1wbw]

Actually a lot of it is spoiler terriroty.

This is my understanding:
Alien Timeline
Prometheus- 2093
Alien- 2122
Aliens- 2178 (I think)

I answered the rest of this in the spoiler thread reply #27.

You can't have spoilers for movies that have been out and been seen by practically every person in the world. I've never actually personally met anyone who's never seen these movies.

 

[sk1wbw]

This would better be discussed this in the spoiler thread so I moved your quote and my reply.

This is my understanding:
Alien Timeline
Prometheus- 2093
Alien- 2122
Aliens- 2178 (I think)

I don't believe Ridley Scott was thinking about Prometheus in 1978 when Alien came out, so there is some artistic license involved and speculation required to imagine how the alien queen came into being. I'd have to surmise that the Engineer's experiments with black goo went wrong in different locations and they became victims of their own bio-warfare experiments. Apparently DNA mutation is involved, this is why we see different types of creatures, including the one that popped out of the dead Engineer at the end of Prometheus.

As described by a link, which I quoted in reply #25, I don't necessarily buy into the concept that black goo causes different mutations based on the psyche of the creature that is near by. In retrospect, when you see the black goo flowing in the storage chamber room, there are little worms flip floping around in it. I believe these mutate into the eel like creature that attack the crew member. So what, they were bad bugs before the mutation? The other crew member becomes mutated into the thing that attacks back at the ship.

The other issue is that the canisters seemed to be rigged as bombs with triggers. All the black goo activity only started when the crew walked in. This screams weapon to me. It's easiest to go with the theory that these creatures were simply bio-weapons. The original aliens, with acid for blood seem perfectly suited to this explanation.

I've been thinking about the alien that Elizabeth Shaw became impregnated with. It seems like this creature was the equivalent of the face hugger, but instead of developing in an egg, it was developing in her belly. This is why it still performed the face hugging maneuver on the Engineer.

Where did you come up with the date for Alien? I've seen that movie so many times...

 

[Huntn]

You can't have spoilers for movies that have been out and been seen by practically every person in the world. I've never actually personally met anyone who's never seen these movies.

Not trying to cause trouble, but you have significant Prometheus spoiler references in the first two paragraphs of the post in question.

 

[Huntn]

Where did you come up with the date for Alien? I've seen that movie so many times...

There is more than one Alien/s timeline to be found online. Here is one of them: Alien/Predator Timeline.

 

[sk1wbw]

Not trying to cause trouble, but you have significant Prometheus spoiler references in the first two paragraphs of the post in question.

People will still see it, there's already links to the whole plot and story at ars anyway.

 

[sk1wbw]

There is more than one Alien/s timeline to be found online. Here is one of them: Alien/Predator Timeline.

Nice! Thanks for that.

 

[firestarter]

People will still see it, there's already links to the whole plot and story at ars anyway.

People avoid those links. The movie has been out for only a short while so it's unreasonable to assume that all potential viewers will have had an opportunity to see it. People will be browsing this thread looking for recommendations without expecting spoilers. That's especially true given that there's a specific thread on this very forum for Prometheus spoiler discussion (hence implying that there won't be spoilers elsewhere).

Have some class.

 

[eternlgladiator]

This link explains the background of the story.
A lot of symbolism, and themes.

There is a reason for everything in the movie.

http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1

Read it only if you have seen the movie.

Even better link than mine. My mind is blown.

 

[gigadigit]

Another interesting comment i read:

"The planet is LV223...Leviticus 22:3
Say to them: 'For the generations to come, if any of your descendants is ceremonially unclean and yet comes near the sacred offerings that the Israelites consecrate to the LORD, that person must be cut off from my presence. I am the LORD,"

Even better link than mine. My mind is blown.

 

[-aggie-]

This link explains the whole movie:
http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1


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Thanks for this. Really explains the movie. No wonder the critics liked it.

 

[Hastings101]

It was ok... a little too bizarre at parts. Especially when she had that alien baby removed. I loved Alien/s/Resurrection but that part just weirded me out.

That said, I enjoyed the movie until the ending, which really frustrated and disappointed me. So many questions unanswered!! I wanted to know why they decided to destroy humanity, why they even bothered creating humanity in the first place, and what was the point of the "maps" leading to their planet? I left the theatre feeling dissatisfied and wanting more (TWSS).

 

[eternlgladiator]

It was ok... a little too bizarre at parts. Especially when she had that alien baby removed. I loved Alien/s/Resurrection but that part just weirded me out.

That said, I enjoyed the movie until the ending, which really frustrated and disappointed me. So many questions unanswered!! I wanted to know why they decided to destroy humanity, why they even bothered creating humanity in the first place, and what was the point of the "maps" leading to their planet? I left the theatre feeling dissatisfied and wanting more (TWSS).

Read the link gigadigit posted. It'll all make sense.

 

[ravenvii]

Read the link gigadigit posted. It'll all make sense.

Dunno, I kind of think a lot of his explanations (from that link) sucks. The black goo reacting to psychic forces?

And the jesus-alien dies here, and alluva sudden the black goo goes to **** light-years away?

Taken on its own, this movie is alright. But as a prequel to Alien, it just left me with a "WTF."

What does the black goo have to do with the alien?

(And no, that proto-alien thing got nothing to do with the aliens from Alien and Aliens. It's a different planet entirely for one.)

 

[Huntn]

Dunno, I kind of think a lot of his explanations (from that link) sucks. The black goo reacting to psychic forces?

And the jesus-alien dies here, and alluva sudden the black goo goes to **** light-years away?

Taken on its own, this movie is alright. But as a prequel to Alien, it just left me with a "WTF."

What does the black goo have to do with the alien?

(And no, that proto-alien thing got nothing to do with the aliens from Alien and Aliens. It's a different planet entirely for one.)

There is a lot of spreading DNA going around. The first alien, uses his DNA to seed the Earth or some planet with life. I missed that at the candy stand, but was told this is what happened. Was there black goo there?

It's easier to think of the black goo at the alien station in this movie as bio-warfare. The black goo causes mutations. It's that simple. And there is no example where the black goo did anyone any good. It is unknown if using the black goo is rolling the dice or that the Engineers had as much control over it as they liked, using it to create the alien and aliens in the first and second movies.

Yes it was a much different looking Alien at the end that popped out of the Engineer, but based on the ship in this movie and the ship they discovered in the first Alien, there is a definite connection. Unless something else comes to life, it appears that the Engineers were responsible for creating life and then later trying to destroy it with bad critters. It is believed in the first Alien, the ship with the Engineer with a burst chest, was carrying a cargo of Alien eggs/bombs to be used on whatever target/planet they wanted to destroy.

The process of creating an alien did not have to be exactly the same in this movie as compared to the original. While the alien burst out of it's living victim in the aliens movie before this. It looked like in this movie, the younger alien killed the host and developed more fully before emerging.

 

[joepunk]

I gave it a 5/5 even though there was some questionable situations

I was thinking that the alien ship taking off was going to be the derelict in the "Alien" movie but then I realized that it was full of black goo containers and not the eggs/facehuggers. Oh, and it was taken down by the Prometheus.

I had to explain to a family member that the planet that Prometheus visited was not LV426.

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...and she made it pretty clear that she wanted to know why. Not unreasonable, could you imagine going back to a "normal" life?

Not that it would be anything normal about that life, imagine returning to earth in an alien space craft, without the rest of the team (except for a damaged artificial life form, known to have a hidden agenda). What could possibly go wrong?

A longer director's cut would probably help a lot, got the impression that loads of relevant material connecting scenes had been cut. Not explaining everything is fine, unanswered questions can actually add to a movie. Plot holes on the other hand can not.

As for 3D, completely agree.

Director's cut is going to be nice. I hope it will be nice. And I thought that 2D was enough. I didn't need to spend more for 3D.

This link explains the whole movie:
http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1

Ridley Scott has this to say about the scene: 'That could be a planet anywhere. All he’s doing is acting as a gardener in space. And the plant life, in fact, is the disintegration of himself. If you parallel that idea with other sacrificial elements in history – which are clearly illustrated with the Mayans and the Incas – he would live for one year as a prince, and at the end of that year, he would be taken and donated to the gods in hopes of improving what might happen next year, be it with crops or weather, etcetera.'

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Nice link indeed. I'll have to read it further.

fun questions

- Why did robot kill the male scientist?
Wanted to experiment with the black goo. And hoping to smuggle some back undetected via stasis pods. When the scientist died the robot found another opportunity to smuggle black goo via Noomi's character after finding out she is pregnant with alien host.

- What did the old man ask of the alien?
Hopefully that will be in the directors cut version.

- So... If our DNA matched, why were they giant, white, and different?
Who knows.

- Any explanation of how the alien came to be?
Which alien? The humanoid one or our favorite classic Xenomorph?

- What were the black vases? The aliens and they would shoot them to other planets? If so, were they shooting them at other worlds to wipe them out?
Black vases had the black goo used to create alien beings for bio weapons.

- How did robot know their language, how to operate their doors, etc?
As already mentioned he had two years to learn it and he is a robot after all.

- What were the ghost videos?
Recorded security cameras? How and why were they activated by the humans I don't really care as that is trite trivia info. Now a question I was thinking during the movie is what are they running from and why were they running to the room with the black goo containers?

- Is Noomi Rapace pretty or not?
Pretty and attractive to me

I like the movie, incredible visuals, the 3D sucked, but I felt confused.
I didn't see it in 3D because I didn't feel it necessary.

 

[eternlgladiator]

Dunno, I kind of think a lot of his explanations (from that link) sucks. The black goo reacting to psychic forces?

And the jesus-alien dies here, and alluva sudden the black goo goes to **** light-years away?

Taken on its own, this movie is alright. But as a prequel to Alien, it just left me with a "WTF."

What does the black goo have to do with the alien?

(And no, that proto-alien thing got nothing to do with the aliens from Alien and Aliens. It's a different planet entirely for one.)

It looked a lot like the "xenomorphs" or aliens we know and if you saw the image inside the ship you'd know that the engineers were familiar with them.

http://cinemart-online.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/xenomorph.jpg

Also, the one xenomorph "born" at the end was a queen and if you recall the queens from other movies, they look significantly different from the drone type aliens that do all the attacking.

There is a lot of spreading DNA going around. The first alien, uses his DNA to seed the Earth or some planet with life. I missed that at the candy stand, but was told this is what happened. Was there black goo there?

It's easier to think of the black goo at the alien station in this movie as bio-warfare. The black goo causes mutations. It's that simple. And there is no example where the black goo did anyone any good. It is unknown if using the black goo is rolling the dice or that the Engineers had as much control over it as they liked, using it to create the alien and aliens in the first and second movies.

Yes it was a much different looking Alien at the end that popped out of the Engineer, but based on the ship in this movie and the ship they discovered in the first Alien, there is a definite connection. Unless something else comes to life, it appears that the Engineers were responsible for creating life and then later trying to destroy it with bad critters. It is believed in the first Alien, the ship with the Engineer with a burst chest, was carrying a cargo of Alien eggs/bombs to be used on whatever target/planet they wanted to destroy.

The process of creating an alien did not have to be exactly the same in this movie as compared to the original. While the alien burst out of it's living victim in the aliens movie before this. It looked like in this movie, the younger alien killed the host and developed more fully before emerging.