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And here we have another example of politicians not understanding how anything works.

Correct.
A bill proposed by a 0 (read it zero), who nobody in the chamber of deputies have read. Or almost nobody, the few that read it didn't understand a word, also because they were playing around with their iPhone and iPad while sitting in the parliament.
 
Just checked. About 70% is from the App Store! BUT the main ones - maya, c4d and photoshop Nuke are not.

An iPhone is an applicance now. My gran has one. And she wants something easy like a fridge not a vhs with 7 day recording
She is not the only target audience..... just saying, while it is fine for her, she can keep using the App store, for everyone else who wants to, there should be the option.


Now imagine if you could not use that 30% at all.... wouldn' t it just be a pain? so why do you want to restrict yourself and others from using that 30% on the iPhone, i mean it is working fine on macOS why wouldn't it work on the iPhone?
Will Apple buy Italy?
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There are always consequences and ramifications, be it directly or indirectly.

I could give you a few scenarios.

1) A developer for an app I have been using for a long time removes his app from the app store and only makes it available through a third party store. This means he is free to use what APIs he wants, even if they are dodgy or suspicious. Once they are out of the app store, they are also beyond Apple's jurisdiction. At least with the iOS app store, they have to play by Apple's rules, which keeps them honest. I know where I stand as a consumer.
And you still know where you stand, no change there. I know of a large developer on the Mac App store who made two versions of their app. One that is has less features and one that is fully featured. Those like you who want the app store version are free to accept that one and have less features and people like me are free to have the fully featured version.
2) Piracy. What's stopping someone from blatantly copying another developer's apps, and offering them elsewhere for cheaper or even free? It may not affect me directly, but it can impact the developer financially and affect his ability to continue making and supporting the apps which I use.
An yet the world still works on the mac and developers can make money selling software which is available both in the Apple App store and outside the Apple App store.
Why do you think the iOS app store is home to great apps? And why many developers choose to develop for iOS first or exclusively? Because the app store is locked down,
Money pure and simple. All big names are available on both Android and Apple.
Why would Apple take what has worked well for the app store and its stakeholders, and throw that all away to emulate what Android is going with their Play Store, which clearly hasn't worked as well, and is plagued with problems of its own?
Legislation. There are lots of things that Apple wouldn't do without legislation.
Why would Apple choose to offer 2+ year warranties in Australia when it has worked well in the rest of the world at 1 year?
 
1) A developer for an app I have been using for a long time removes his app from the app store and only makes it available through a third party store. This means he is free to use what APIs he wants, even if they are dodgy or suspicious. Once they are out of the app store, they are also beyond Apple's jurisdiction. At least with the iOS app store, they have to play by Apple's rules, which keeps them honest. I know where I stand as a consumer.
If the official App Store is so great, why would the developer abandon it? Unless he has some very valid technical reason to do so, it would make no sense.

If you install an app you take a risk, obviously, but this doesn't mean it should be forbidden. If you don't want to take the risk you should stick to the software sources you trust, which might be the App Store but might be some third-party provider too. I install games via Steam on my MacBook: they are not Apple but I trust them enough. Why should my phone be any different?

2) Piracy. What's stopping someone from blatantly copying another developer's apps, and offering them elsewhere for cheaper or even free? It may not affect me directly, but it can impact the developer financially and affect his ability to continue making and supporting the apps which I use.
This is a false problem since jailbreaking already exists: those willing to pirate apps have no qualms jailbreaking their device to do so. The issue is about legitimate access to third-party apps, and those wanting legitimate access typically want legitimate apps, not pirated ones.

And guess what? These are legitimate issues plaguing the Android app store. Why do you think the iOS app store is home to great apps? And why many developers choose to develop for iOS first or exclusively? Because the app store is locked down, consumers have to get their apps from there. This means that developers are able to charge a reasonable price knowing that we have to either pay for it or do without, and that we can't readily sideload a pirated copy from elsewhere. That profit is what incentivises them to keep creating great apps for iOS. It's also faster for me because I don't have to bother comparing prices across various app stores, and I know the apps have been vetted.
If this were true Android developers would be out of business and Android stores would be empty: it's clearly not the case which means the alternative model of allowing third-party apps is proven to work.

Why would Apple take what has worked well for the app store and its stakeholders, and throw that all away to emulate what Android is going with their Play Store, which clearly hasn't worked as well, and is plagued with problems of its own?
The App Store is "plagued" by its own problems itself, e.g. access to GPL applications and more experimental/daring applications. GPL applications need to be completely relicensed to be legally distributed through the app store, which is not always feasible and might require extensive rewrites. The App Store limits what apps can do, which is a two edged sword since Apple might forbid things which end up having legitimate uses and which might evolve into very good features.
 
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I don't know if any other folks from Italy have already wrote a clarification on this, so I will.

Apple is not going to face a ban of its devices in Italy, even if the law will be approved.
The law talks about a fine, up to 5 millions Euro, under certain circumstances, but it doesn't ask Apple or other companies to allow users to install software from third parties stores.
As far as I understand Apple may risk the fine if in the future users won't be able to download certain types of apps from the official app store. For example a ban of google or microsoft apps, or the inability to access a third party service like Spotify could be a reason to fine Apple. But I think it will be very unlikely to happen, and even if it does, 5 millions euro are nothing Apple is going to worry about.
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From the "article 4" translation... "Users have the right to find online, in a format suitable for the desired technological platform..."

Do you recall when iPhone was first release that all apps were web based? There was some pretty cool stuff since iOS was designed to run web apps. iOS is already compliant with the proposed law in that respect.

"Users have the right to uninstall software and remove content that is not of their interest to their devices, unless such software is required to comply with mandatory standards or are essential for the operation or security of the device..."
Yup, iOS is good here too, you can uninstall many of the bundled apps as of 10.2 or 10.3 (I forget which added that). Only those that are essential to the operation of the device/network can not be removed (Phone, Settings, etc.). You can argue that Health, Wallet, Safari, etc. aren't essential and currently can't be removed but it is an argument and not clear.

So I don't see how this law affects iOS and seems to be click-bait. I really think it's targeted at other vendors who force you to have "Mega Solitaire Crunch" or "Verizon backup manager" installed whether you want it or not.

Spot on: the title is really click-bait
 
"Users have the right to find online, in a format suitable for the desired technological platform..."

I'm looking forward to getting all of Android's and Apples apps onto my coffemacine and refrigerator!
Obviously they can't discriminate between systems! If it is connected, it will get all apps!
 
Not necessarily. If you have a switch in Settings that you have to turn on to be able to side load apps, it'll be entirely up to you to throw that switch and open that hole, or leave the switch off and keep things like they are today.

One example is I'd love to be able to sideload emulators, which is pretty much the main useful software category that Apple doesn't allow in the store. Turn on the switch, sideload my favorite emulators from vetted sources, turn off the switch. Now I can run my emulators and still be just as secure as before, provided I trust the emulator authors.... That should be up to ME though, not entirely Apple.

And someone can exploit that with a malicious website. As long as there is a WAY, there will be a security hole. No human can ever program 100% bug free and perfectly locked down code. So if they OPEN up iOS, it will be a security risk for ALL.
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I am sure 100% of the software you use on your Mac comes from the App Store......NOT!

So why should it be any different on the iPhone??


Oh macOS is pretty safe even without the walled garden so I suppose there's a way to make it work....
Because as someone mentioned, you do not call 911 in am emergency on your Mac. You do not use Maps for directions on your Mac while you are driving. Your phone has probably way more personal data on it than any of your computers. Do you want malware getting on our devices that will prevent phone calling? Interfere with maps navigation? Leak tracking and other personal data?

And there have been issues on macOS with malware even with the default settings BECAUSE it is not a complete walled garden.
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What if I want access to an App that Apple has removed from the store such as it isn't 64 bit or for what ever reason the App is no longer being updated for and gets booted from the app store.

Uh, requiring 64-bit is an OS requirement, not an App Store requirement. Unless you want the ability to install whatever OS you want on it too which is unrealistic.
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4. If this DID happen nobody would be forced to download in other places so stop with the pouting. It would not affect you. Even so it does not mean they whould have to be shady places, think amazon android store vs google play. When I had android I never had a problem with apps from there. Other app stores can be secure. Only when it comes to apple do people defend lack of choice as a good thing.

Yes it will. If they do open up iOS to allow other software to be installed, it WILL pose a security risk. Browse a malicious website (or an ad on a legitimate website) and it could expose a security hole that toggles that option ON and then installs malware on your phone. Nothing is 100% bug free or 100% secure when humans are programming.
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There are always consequences and ramifications, be it directly or indirectly.

I could give you a few scenarios.

1) A developer for an app I have been using for a long time removes his app from the app store and only makes it available through a third party store. This means he is free to use what APIs he wants, even if they are dodgy or suspicious. Once they are out of the app store, they are also beyond Apple's jurisdiction. At least with the iOS app store, they have to play by Apple's rules, which keeps them honest. I know where I stand as a consumer.

2) Piracy. What's stopping someone from blatantly copying another developer's apps, and offering them elsewhere for cheaper or even free? It may not affect me directly, but it can impact the developer financially and affect his ability to continue making and supporting the apps which I use.

And guess what? These are legitimate issues plaguing the Android app store. Why do you think the iOS app store is home to great apps? And why many developers choose to develop for iOS first or exclusively? Because the app store is locked down, consumers have to get their apps from there. This means that developers are able to charge a reasonable price knowing that we have to either pay for it or do without, and that we can't readily sideload a pirated copy from elsewhere. That profit is what incentivises them to keep creating great apps for iOS. It's also faster for me because I don't have to bother comparing prices across various app stores, and I know the apps have been vetted.

Why would Apple take what has worked well for the app store and its stakeholders, and throw that all away to emulate what Android is going with their Play Store, which clearly hasn't worked as well, and is plagued with problems of its own?

Yep. I agree. There will be developers that will move away from the App Store to save on the 30%. Therefore, anyone wanting those apps are affected.
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If the official App Store is so great, why would the developer abandon it? Unless he has some very valid technical reason to do so, it would make no sense.

Uh....greed? Saving that 30%.
 
Yes it will. If they do open up iOS to allow other software to be installed, it WILL pose a security risk. Browse a malicious website (or an ad on a legitimate website) and it could expose a security hole that toggles that option ON and then installs malware on your phone. Nothing is 100% bug free or 100% secure when humans are programming.
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Truly ridiculous. You are inventing something that will not happen, it does bit happen on android so what makes you thing ios would be more vulnerable than android.

Also think about it for a minute. The switch would have to be toggled on for for it to do what you are claiming and even at that it wold not happen. You are talking something beyond malware or even a virus. Ridiculous.

Stop inventing bs scenarios because you do not want to think for yourself.

Seriously, stop walking out side because a plane could fall on your head. Probably more chance of that than malware on some site changing a security setting on an iphone. Get real. It could be password protected for those afraid of their own shadow. Do you really think apple would leave something like that so vulnerable?

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Uh....greed? Saving that 30%.

Wait, the developer wanting the profits is greed? Not apple taking a full 30%? You really live in a strange world.
 
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She is not the only target audience..... just saying, while it is fine for her, she can keep using the App store, for everyone else who wants to, there should be the option.


Now imagine if you could not use that 30% at all.... wouldn' t it just be a pain? so why do you want to restrict yourself and others from using that 30% on the iPhone, i mean it is working fine on macOS why wouldn't it work on the iPhone?

Sigh. Way to not understand and twist my words.

Go to android and be happy then. I'll keep my security etc. And once again. IF apple opened it up to other store they would end up have magnitudes more helpdesk calls and Genius Bar appointments guaranteed. We WILL end up with viruses/trojans and Apple can do nothing to curb third party apps/stores.

Also can you give me a good example of what you want on this mythical store that you can't get on App Store? Or are you expecting it to just be cheaper for the developer to host on it?
 
Uh, requiring 64-bit is an OS requirement, not an App Store requirement. Unless you want the ability to install whatever OS you want on it too which is unrealistic.
Not sure what you meant...

32 bit apps and 64 bit apps can both run on a 64 bit iPhone. Apple has said they are phasing out 32 bit apps in the App store meaning that if you need access to a legacy app when that happens, you are out of luck, granted by the time it happens it might not affect that many people. But it was just a for example.
 
Go to android and be happy then. I'll keep my security etc.
As you can see in my signature I already did it ;).

I really liked the iPhone, and would but it again if I could have more freedom!

Also can you give me a good example of what you want on this mythical store that you can't get on App Store? Or are you expecting it to just be cheaper for the developer to host on it?
It can be one and the other, many apps were pulled from the App store because they "replicate system app funcions".

Really since when choice has became a bad thing? You wnt it you use it you don't then don't use it, but just because you do not see the need doesn't mean others have to follow your idea!
 
Truly ridiculous. You are inventing something that will not happen, it does bit happen on android so what makes you thing ios would be more vulnerable than android.

Also think about it for a minute. The switch would have to be toggled on for for it to do what you are claiming and even at that it wold not happen. You are talking something beyond malware or even a virus. Ridiculous.

Stop inventing bs scenarios because you do not want to think for yourself.

Seriously, stop walking out side because a plane could fall on your head. Probably more chance of that than malware on some site changing a security setting on an iphone. Get real. It could be password protected for those afraid of their own shadow. Do you really think apple would leave something like that so vulnerable?

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Wait, the developer wanting the profits is greed? Not apple taking a full 30%? You really live in a strange world.

So you can guarantee that it will NOT happen? How can you guarantee that? it is built into the core of iOS to only allow apps through the App Store unless you jailbreak or have an Enterprise agreement or use Xcode yourself. Why don't you guys just jailbreak if you NEED apps not available in the app store?
 
Even IF Apple accepts the software an author offers, that author then gets squeezed for 30%+ of their revenue, leading to higher prices to make up for it.
30% of iOS revenue maybe high.
What do developers get for that?
From what I see, Apple provides a one stop shop for consumers to come shop.
Convenience is king for consumers. They/we/me don't want to spend time searching the web for apps.
Apple runs the servers so no expense or hassle for developers putting up a store front.
Apple notifies users of app updates for developers.
Apple tracks user purchases so users can delete and re-download apps without user inconvenience or added network traffic for the developer.
Apple's App Store provides a sense of security for consumers so they are more willing to buy because they feel Apple has done some screening of the apps available so they are "safe" to use.
People can complain, they have that right. There are trade offs in life, opportunity costs if you will. Making a choice limits future choices. That is how life works. If you don't like the choices don't choose. If you know what is THE BEST way to build, run, and price software/hardware no one is stopping you from creating an empire of which you can be proud. Show the world just how correct you are with your views of how things should work. If it's the best for less, I'll buy.
 
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If the official App Store is so great, why would the developer abandon it? Unless he has some very valid technical reason to do so, it would make no sense.

30% cut to Apple can be the difference for some small developers between Making profit, Breaking even, or losing money.

not all developers believe that Apple is entitled to 30% cut from every single purchase of their Application.
 
Not remotely the same thing.

A valid comparison would be fiat only allowing parts to be sold in THEIR dealer stores as opposed to being able to sell them in any auto parts store. You can already buy auto parts in other parts stores so putting volkswagon parts on a ferrari is a ridiculous comparison and auto parts are not sold in a walled garden.

Nobody wants to put android apps on an iphone, just be able to get iphone apps in other places. Jeez.

I doubt it will pass but at least understand what they are talking about. It actually is a monopoly on where ios apps can be sold.

Was not thinking about simple parts. But, say the on board Ferrari computer module with it's software must be a Ferrari part, which is possibly made by licensed companies (Agreement custom made for Ferrari, and I am guessing)

So, you can't put a VW module into a Ferrari, because that software is not going to work for Ferrari. You can possibly hack it (like jailbreaking iOS) , but may not be worth it. You can also not put a Ferrari module into any car. May not work.

Point is that if it were possible to install iOS apps from the App Store onto other than Apple devices and they create problems, people would blame that on Apple. They don't need that PR nightmare.

There are not even enough people in 50 million or whatever the usership is now out there to bother or request this.
Plenty of alternatives.

I personally find customizing applications about how my phone looks or works via jailbreaking uninteresting.

Apple probably strives for the middle ground between function and UI , and probably 90% of users will be fine with the way iOS works.

The other 10% can jailbreak or be unhappy.
 
My choice of phone is not a political statement.

A better analogy would be if you don't like the food a particular restaurant is serving, you go patronise another restaurant that does serve the food you want. And if none of them have food that is to your exact liking, then maybe you either cook your own food or learn to compromise and go with whichever best suits your tastes, even if it is not exactly 100%. You don't march to the kitchen, hand the chef a recipe and insist that your order be done to your exact tastes and preferences unless you somehow own the restaurant.

The problem with your so-called "better analogy" is that there are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of restaurants in the United States alone, let alone the rest of the world while there are effectively now only TWO real phone platforms to choose from (oddly, just like there are effectively only two political parties in the USA). I can cook my own food, even so I don't technically need ANY restaurants to keep eating. I cannot make my own smart phone, operating system and software and neither can you, anymore than you could create your own utility delivery or even cable/satellite system. That's why you just made a bad comparison. Unlike food, you are the mercy of extremely limited or single groups controlling entire industries. This is why monopolies are bad in general. Having two choices is twice as good as one, but still only one or the other. We used to have many phone platforms to pick from. But when there's only two, you really should have open access.

Imagine if you only had one road out of town and you weren't allowed to use it because it's private. Are you supposed to hike through people's backyards, then? If there's something wrong with Android at some point (huge security hole, whatever), what's your alternative/backup? Apple. But you can't run what you need to run on Apple. It's like having two roads out of town instead of one, but Apple's road is a private road they control and if they so much as don't like the color of your car, you can't ride on their road even if you pay. Some groups say, oh well. It's a PRIVATE ROAD and Apple's owns it, so too bad for you. Others would say that we live in a society/community and some things are too important to infrastructure to play privacy games to basic living. When Internet access becomes more than a luxury as it is becoming these days, having one company or one person decide what can and cannot be run on a platform is RIDICULOUS.

Look at what's happening with airlines as there becomes more and more mergers/buyouts. Are seat sizes going up or down? Are ticket prices going up or down? Are they nickle and diming you to death or are prices going down? Did deregulation help the average citizen? Did Capitalism work? Or do companis try to thwart the rules of Capitalism when we allow them to in order to profit and defeat the whole basis for it (lower prices through competition)?

Does that make it "political" or just a basic problem of modern society that requires regulation through laws to keep things fair and reasonable? Do you want a closed Internet or an open one? Do you really want Apple deciding what you can and cannot run on your iPhone?

Do you want Microsoft spying on you from now into the future because they "own" the operating system (as Windows 10 does) or should there be basic CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS to things like PRIVACY??? I'm on Apple Mac because they are currently protecting privacy rights for the most part. What happens if that changes? Microsoft is already spying one everyone using Windows 10. Google is known for even reading your emails to sell ads (recently changed finally). At what points should your Constitutional Rights TRUMP companies abilities to profit off ever single thing you do? Does a company like Google OWN you and your life and half your country? Or are they privileged to exist here? Since when are businesses or politicians more important than the citizens of a country? Is society a function of business or is business a function of society?


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30% of iOS revenue maybe high.
What do developers get for that?

Who gives a crap what they get for it? The point is the authors HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE CHOICE if they want to sell on the iOS platforms! Given most of the money to be made is on that system and not Android, it's not hard to see why authors would have an issue with Apple. Why is that hard to see or comprehend? Why bother defending a bad system?

There's an App store for the Mac. It has 23% of software sales for the Mac. If the App Store by Apple was really that great, wouldn't their Mac share be MUCH MUCH higher???? No, because people aren't forced to use it! Look at game prices and features on STEAM some time, particularly during one of their regular holiday sales. Why would you want to pay $65 for a game that is on sale for $12? Mac App Store almost never has any discounts or sales what-so-ever. STEAM has them all the time and most Steam games (with Steamplay) can play against PC and Linux users as well as Mac users. Get rid of Steam? Boom. Instant high prices, no connectivity with PCs for multiplayer what-so-ever. It would SUCK. No wonder no ones like the App Store. Plus they force their views on adult subjects, etc. on you.

What they get is a company deciding IF their software can be sold and therefore what content can be in their apps. If you ever watched old movies from 1934 to 1968, you probably noticed certain types of movies simply didn't exist because they were strictly controlled by one body (Hays Code: See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Production_Code). So instead of the MPPDA deciding what goes into a movie, you have Apple deciding what can go into an application. Why is that acceptable to anyone? Are we living in the 1930s of Internet distribution?

The rest of your argument is about storefronts and is moot to the argument being made against Apple having a monopoly on distribution for ALL the software for iOS systems. What if Android was doing the same thing? Too bad? You'd have the same problem as the motion picture association did for 34 years...a total distortion of reality.

IF Apple didn't enforce their own "views" of what content should be allowed but were just a simple storefront or whatever, you'd at least be rid of the CENSORING aspect of Apple, but you'd still be allowing Apple a virtual monopoly for distribution of all iOS software. Italy has decided that is unacceptable, that consumers should have rights before CEOs deciding what they can and cannot run on their bought and paid for computer hardware. How many people want to see the Mac go to a closed system in the future? Apple seems to be slowly pushing in that direction operating system update by update.
 
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So you can guarantee that it will NOT happen? How can you guarantee that? it is built into the core of iOS to only allow apps through the App Store unless you jailbreak or have an Enterprise agreement or use Xcode yourself. Why don't you guys just jailbreak if you NEED apps not available in the app store?

I have clearly said I don't care either way.

Ios is far better than you are trying to claim. It won't happen. If nobody is getting in with a virus to ios now they will not get in to "flip a fricken switch". Do you know how dumb that seriously sounds? I can't guarantee you not falling in the bathtub either but its probably more likely to happen. Do you drive? Are uou scared to death of an accident? Are you scared to death of a plane falling on you? NOTHING is guaranteed but life goes on. Its called the adult world.


This is over, maybe some of you can get a safe room together.
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Was not thinking about simple parts. But, say the on board Ferrari computer module with it's software must be a Ferrari part, which is possibly made by licensed companies (Agreement custom made for Ferrari, and I am guessing)

So, you can't put a VW module into a Ferrari, because that software is not going to work for Ferrari. You can possibly hack it (like jailbreaking iOS) , but may not be worth it. You can also not put a Ferrari module into any car. May not work.

Point is that if it were possible to install iOS apps from the App Store onto other than Apple devices and they create problems, people would blame that on Apple. They don't need that PR nightmare.

There are not even enough people in 50 million or whatever the usership is now out there to bother or request this.
Plenty of alternatives.

I personally find customizing applications about how my phone looks or works via jailbreaking uninteresting.

Apple probably strives for the middle ground between function and UI , and probably 90% of users will be fine with the way iOS works.

The other 10% can jailbreak or be unhappy.
Truly ridiculous analagy. Nobody wants to put anything from another phone system in it, period. What you sre saying is adding something from another vehicle.

There is absolutely nothing about installing ios apps on non apple devices, you are not making any sense at sll. Its about installing ios apps on APPLE devices from locations other than the app store. Jeebus. Bye.
 
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I have clearly said I don't care either way so take your blood pressure medicine.

Ios is far better than you are trying to claim. It won't happen. If nobody is getting in with a virus to ios now they will not get in to "flip a fricken switch". Do you know how dumb that seriously sounds? I can't guarantee you not falling in the bathtub either but its probably more likely to happen. Do you drive? Are uou scared to death of an accident? Are you scared to death of a plane falling on you? NOTHING is guaranteed but life goes on. Its called the adult world.


This is over, maybe some of you can get a safe room together.

So someone does not agree with your point of view and you just insult them? I need to take my blood pressure medicine? I need to be in a safe room?

Allowing apps not from the app store will essentially be making iOS less secure. NO WAY around that. They will add a toggle to enable this, but eventually it will most likely be exploited by someone. Especially if the FBI still wants to find backdoors in iOS devices.

Hmm. I guess they could require two-factor authentication to enable/disable it? That might be a good solution.
 
So a country that accounts for 2% of iPhone sales world wide (assuming that my google is ball park accurate) is going to try and dictate terms. LOL.

Aren't phones across the EU unlocked by regulation. All an Italian who wants an iPhone have to do is hop a train to anywhere and buy a phone. Come home and stick the SIM card in. Italy will simply loose the tax revenue from the sale of the phone. I'm guessing there is a reason why they are part of the PIGS of the EU.
 
Allowing apps not from the app store will essentially be making iOS less secure. NO WAY around that. They will add a toggle to enable this, but eventually it will most likely be exploited by someone. Especially if the FBI still wants to find backdoors in iOS devices.

Hmm. I guess they could require two-factor authentication to enable/disable it? That might be a good solution.

So the Macintosh is less secure than iOS because it "allows" you to choose to install any software you want? Should I be more paranoid on my Mac than on my phone? Personally, I'd never run banking or other apps on my phone. I bought a Mac specifically because it has the lowest or close to the lowest malware of any computer system. That's partially due to Unix and partially due to low market share. iOS has high market share. That makes it more of a target regardless of whether they allow you to "choose" to install software from other sources. But if that alone were a huge risk, why is the Mac still using open software? Closed software systems are generally unpopular. The Mac App store gets 23% of the market share. Clearly people prefer more choices and lower prices over supposed more security (plus any flaw in their App store might apply to everyone).
 
Not a great analogy. Walls can serve to keep the citizenry imprisoned (keep them from emigrating or traveling, which is what Ronald Reagan was addressing), or they can defend the citizenry from outside threats (real or imagined - castle keep-style, or Donald Trump-style). To those that want the walled garden, it's the external threats that matter more. They've chosen to live within the walls. One could almost consider those who want "freedom" to be infiltrators, intent on weakening the city's defenses for their own selfish purposes.

Someone chafing at the restrictions of their own country may choose to emigrate. Emigration may not be easy - finding new employment, leaving friends and family... there are often sacrifices and trade-offs to be made. However, it's no more difficult to leave Applevania than it is to exit Androidland. Further, citizens of either are free to choose services that are available cross-border (WhatsApp, Facebook, Gmail, Spotify, DropBox, Netflix, Skype, etc.) in order to minimize the disruption of relocation.

As to iMessage and FaceTime - would you be willing to pay a fee to Apple, if you wanted to use those services while living in Androidland? (It's not likely Apple would start inserting advertisements into either platform.) The only reason they are free services is because their cost is built into Apple's hardware pricing.That's what "product differentiation" is all about - you buy the product that offers the features you want. It shouldn't matter whether those features are in hardware, software, or services. Even if Apple opened the platform, they can't force the other device makers to adopt the platform - there's no assurance that the default messaging app on an Android phone would be configurable for iMessage - it would likely be the same situation we see currently, where competing messaging platforms each require a dedicated app.

Wow took my tongue and cheek pretty seriously there eh? Problem with Applevania and iMessage and Facetime (to a lesser extent) not being cross platform is they become an annoyance for people that can't always live within it's borders and only interact with people from Applevania. I would think the President of Applevania would prefer all Applevanian use all Applevania software as their default since they are designed for Applevania products but many citizens of Applevania almost never use them because they non Applevanian friends aren't available on said software. Wouldn't you rather all citizens given the opportunity to use the feature on any platform? If it were available on Android and icloud.com I would certainly stop using whatsapp that's for sure.
 
I have clearly said I don't care either way.

Ios is far better than you are trying to claim. It won't happen. If nobody is getting in with a virus to ios now they will not get in to "flip a fricken switch". Do you know how dumb that seriously sounds? I can't guarantee you not falling in the bathtub either but its probably more likely to happen. Do you drive? Are uou scared to death of an accident? Are you scared to death of a plane falling on you? NOTHING is guaranteed but life goes on. Its called the adult world.


This is over, maybe some of you can get a safe room together.
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Truly ridiculous analagy. Nobody wants to put anything from another phone system in it, period. What you sre saying is adding something from another vehicle.

There is absolutely nothing about installing ios apps on non apple devices, you are not making any sense at sll. It's about installing ios apps on APPLE devices from locations other than the app store. Jeebus. Bye.

Your attack style nature and trying to put down people with different thoughts is what is actually dumb (To use your words)

NOBODY is always right about everything!

Apple owns the store and they do not have to approve or open subsidiaries to sell apps, other than local language APPLE app stores.. Anybody with an internet connection can go to the apps store and buy whatever they want.

This is a non event and just about politics, which will not happen. At least we agree there.
 
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Your attack style nature and trying to put down people with different thoughts is what is actually dumb (To use your words)

NOBODY is always right about everything!

Apple owns the store and they do not have to approve or open subsidiaries to sell apps, other than local language APPLE app stores.. Anybody with an internet connection can go to the apps store and buy whatever they want.

This is a non event and just about politics, which will not happen. At least we agree there.


It would nice if you at least read and understand the article before blathering ridiculous stuff.

Get someone to explain to you what a monoply is or explain anti trust laws. Apple has a monopoly on where ios apps can be sold and force a 30% cut. So its not as cut and dried as you seem to think.

Ask microsoft about anti trust laws, or bell telephone. Apple does not even allow competitors in the app store business and again, whether you like it or not owning the system means nothing. Microsoft owns windows and got hit with anti trust. Its onvious you know nothing about these cases.

I'm not saying this WILL go anywhere but there is definitely a case whether you like it or not and claiming they do not have to abide by anti trust law because they own the system shows an absolute lack of knowledge. Its something a judge would have to decide and again is not cut and dried.

Us anti trust:

United States antitrust law is a collection of federal and state government laws that regulates the conduct and organization of business corporations, generally to promote fair competition for the benefit of consumers. (The concept is called competition law in other English-speaking countries.)

Italy has a competition law. Its no stretch of imagination to see how a judge may find apple is not allowing fair competition by allowing apps from outside of their store....as they do with osx, google does with android, ms does with windows. Nobody has tested it in court yet.

Yes anyone with internet can go to the app store where apple makes nearly a third off each app. Again, not what this is about. Its about buying the apps elswhere where apple is not jacking the price up by a third. You keep showing that you are arguing something you did not bother to try and understand.
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So the Macintosh is less secure than iOS because it "allows" you to choose to install any software you want? Should I be more paranoid on my Mac than on my phone? Personally, I'd never run banking or other apps on my phone. I bought a Mac specifically because it has the lowest or close to the lowest malware of any computer system. That's partially due to Unix and partially due to low market share. iOS has high market share. That makes it more of a target regardless of whether they allow you to "choose" to install software from other sources. But if that alone were a huge risk, why is the Mac still using open software? Closed software systems are generally unpopular. The Mac App store gets 23% of the market share. Clearly people prefer more choices and lower prices over supposed more security (plus any flaw in their App store might apply to everyone).

Amazing how some create problems where none exist. If apple did ios like osx there would be no problem as there is none with mac's. Whiners gonna whine.
 
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One of the MP who wrote the law was interviewed by a technology blog and that's what he said:

Whoever has a software platform, Apple, Nintendo, Microsoft can continue to keep it as it is today, without any problem. If in the future they'll discriminate against their customers they could be sanctioned with a fine, that's all.
 
It would nice if you at least read and understand the article before blathering ridiculous stuff.

Get someone to explain to you what a monoply is or explain anti trust laws. Apple has a monopoly on where ios apps can be sold and force a 30% cut. So its not as cut and dried as you seem to think.

Ask microsoft about anti trust laws, or bell telephone. Apple does not even allow competitors in the app store business and again, whether you like it or not owning the system means nothing. Microsoft owns windows and got hit with anti trust. Its onvious you know nothing about these cases.

I'm not saying this WILL go anywhere but there is definitely a case whether you like it or not and claiming they do not have to abide by anti trust law because they own the system shows an absolute lack of knowledge. Its something a judge would have to decide and again is not cut and dried.

Us anti trust:

United States antitrust law is a collection of federal and state government laws that regulates the conduct and organization of business corporations, generally to promote fair competition for the benefit of consumers. (The concept is called competition law in other English-speaking countries.)

Italy has a competition law. Its no stretch of imagination to see how a judge may find apple is not allowing fair competition by allowing apps from outside of their store....as they do with osx, google does with android, ms does with windows. Nobody has tested it in court yet.

Yes anyone with internet can go to the app store where apple makes nearly a third off each app. Again, not what this is about. Its about buying the apps elswhere where apple is not jacking the price up by a third. You keep showing that you are arguing something you did not bother to try and understand. On ignore.


But, I can see YOU do not get it. Apple "taking 30%" is not a net profit. They offer a structure for developers which developers would have a hard time establishing themselves. And, consumers can trust whatever is in the store.

They are protecting the products they sell via their iOS. They do not allow apps from outside their store, because there is no way to evaluate their safety, unless the developer agrees to have their app reviewed. That review costs money, so therefore it is easiest to just sell via App Store.

If an app is really great the 30% don't matter. Whether I pay $ 9.99 or $ 12.99 doesn't matter if it solves a task I'd have to do with that app.

Lastly the App Store is NOT a monopoly. There are other options for consumers, in case you forgot.

In summary, I just can see any government telling any company how to run its business model.
 
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