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I support the POTUS on this issue. And will pay the delta cost without whining.
If you really support him then you should send him
A $1T company who uses cheap labor overseas and imports H1B foreigners for everything they can in America complaining about tariffs is rich.

But I'm sure the geniuses who allowed a $400 billion trade deficit to occur have a better plan. Continue the status quo and make claims how jobs are never coming back to America?
I find it interesting that Apple by itself is worth 2.5 times the dollar value of the trade deficit. Makes it not seem so large.
 
Does apple really
Think that’s gonna change the presdient’s Mind or that they can? Especially when they hate him already and are of the opinion he never changes his mind on anything. Oh no, increasing Apple product prices. Trump is gonna bow to that? So why
Even bother? this is just political theatrics.

If they paid him off in Apple stock that would absolutely change his mind.
 
If they paid him off in Apple stock that would absolutely change his mind.

So you’d throw shade at Apple like that to throw shade at the President, by implicating a dirty deal is made possible and put forth by Apple to have their way with things?

Interesting... Aren’t those like mutually exclusive stances regarding this topic?
 
He also claimed that he was draining the swamp. In which he has done none of. He also said he’d lower spending after cutting taxes, yet spending keeps increasing. If you really think this will end well, you are in a fantasy.
He has rescued America from the swamp and put it in the sewer.
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So you’d throw shade at Apple like that to throw shade at the President, by implicating a dirty deal is made possible and put forth by Apple to have their way with things?

Interesting... Aren’t those like mutually exclusive stances regarding this topic?
I don't quite follow you. But if you don't think that Trump would put his own financial interests ahead of his cannon fodder you are naive. Just like if those people on Tangier Island want to get their wall they better ante up.
 
He has rescued America from the swamp and put it in the sewer.
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I don't quite follow you. But if you don't think that Trump would put his own financial interests ahead of his cannon fodder you are naive. Just like if those people on Tangier Island want to get their wall they better ante up.

You are suggesting if Apple were to try to buy off Trump into calling off tariffs, Trump would bite the bait cause thats what he does, he’s corrupt all the time without specificity.

...But if that were the case, Apple, too, would be at fault for BUYING OFF Trump and extending a dirty offer like that to him.

It’s not tough.

You’re presenting mutually exclusive stances, and co-habitating them and thinking passion is what will make people nod their heads. makes zero sense but please continue your outrage. Because That takes precedence over consistency of thought and argument and presenting something interesting.
 
Tariffs may be useful as a negotiating tactic, but long term just foolish. They often just put money in the hands of powerful corporations or lobbies- the best example being sugar. Lets hope they are brief and result in more free trade deals.

AFAIK, it has never been useful as a negotiating tactic and it’s not working now. It’s essentially a tax on Americans which we haven’t felt fully because most big companies buy inventory months in advance and probably loaded up before the first wave of tariffs hit.

Trump is doing the Democrats a favor IMO cos if he’s dumb enough to keep this going, the effects of his tariffs will be felt by every American and there will be a blue tsunami come November. But then again, I don’t think anyone would mistake Trump for a strategic thinker.
 
AFAIK, it has never been useful as a negotiating tactic and it’s not working now. It’s essentially a tax on Americans which we haven’t felt fully because most big companies buy inventory months in advance and probably loaded up before the first wave of tariffs hit.

Trump is doing the Democrats a favor IMO cos if he’s dumb enough to keep this going, the effects of his tariffs will be felt by every American and there will be a blue tsunami come November. But then again, I don’t think anyone would mistake Trump for a strategic thinker.

Lol

Ain’t gonna be no blue wave tsunami in the midterms cause the price of homepods and the watch is going up.

Wishful thinking my dude :p

... are you Tim Cook?
 
Tim Cook must be really distressed by the thought that Apple will only make $40 per dongle instead of $45.

In all seriousness, Apple under Tim Cook will pass this onto the customer so hopefully it is just a negation tool towards a better trade deal.

Well it is, it appears various countries are coming to the table. China can't too much longer because manufacturing doesn't belong to any one country, it moves when there is enough pressure dis-incentivizing it. China knows this and they know doing a deal with the US is inevitable. They are very likely looking for a way out that maximizes saving face.
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EVERY company will increase the price of their products relative to the tariff.

The only losers are the American people.

The idea of a tariff is to increase the price of foreign imported items so that American companies can compete. It works for very similarly priced products, but because manufacturing is so much cheaper in China, the prices are just too far out of whack.

For example, if I want to buy an American-made plastic chair, I'll pay $30. The same Chinese-made plastic chair is $5. After the tariff, the Chinese-made plastic chair will be $7. This won't influence any people to buy the American-made version, it will just take $2 out of everyone's pockets.

I agree with you on the effects of tariffs and who pays for it ultimately. Though a trade show-down with China was inevitable. In many ways they started this trade war and nobody was willing to say enough. I have business in trade with China, they had much more tariffs in place to start with and it made it difficult to do business on many products from the US. And China is very well capable of free trade agreements as they have them signed with various countries. They were being strategic with us so they could benefit. There is nothing wrong with us being strategic with them so that we could benefit.

Now my question for you is, is one or two years of higher tariffs worth 10 years of lower tariffs for both sides?
 
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In the US, tariff makes people pay more. In China, a production slowdown means idle workers, and idle workers are bad news for political stability.
 
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AFAIK, it has never been useful as a negotiating tactic and it’s not working now. It’s essentially a tax on Americans which we haven’t felt fully because most big companies buy inventory months in advance and probably loaded up before the first wave of tariffs hit.


Well you're wrong about it never being useful as a negotiating tactic because these so called threats have been bringing major countries to the negotiating table.

It actually worked with Europe and Canada. Well Canada was tariffs and leverage from Mexico but tariffs nonetheless. China will be the last to come to the table, as expected but its a matter of time. The more countries that come to the table the more pressure it puts on others to come to an agreement.

The interesting thing is almost all of these countries already know that they need to lower their tariffs, they all talk about free trade but put tariffs because they want the best deal for their country. The right thing to do is for all countries to ultimately go lower and lower. A lot of people disagree that tariffs is the wrong way to go about getting there. I used to disagree too but I see it working, and working better than I ever thought.
 
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I don't know. I ordered a part on eBay that came from China. Took a while to get here but cost me $5 with free shipping. Not feeling pinch here.

Apple HAS to pass the cost along to the customer

Wouldn’t be morally
Right if they didn’t
 
I don't think Apple will lose one cent over this.

We all will in the short term, but hopefully it will drive up manufacturing and employment in North America.

Wouldn’t that be something?

Something with the fruit logo on it, made in America. Even if just watch bands and accessories

...aside from the Mac
Pro trash bin that was
Assembled in Austin for PR
purposes for the dozens of people who bought them years ago
 
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Tariffs may be useful as a negotiating tactic, but long term just foolish. They often just put money in the hands of powerful corporations or lobbies- the best example being sugar. Lets hope they are brief and result in more free trade deals.

I had and still have the same mentality, but when I was presented with a few different perspectives as to the actual scale of what's being attempted through these tariffs, I decided to have a more understanding and forgiving attitude toward them; I found these to be particularly interesting:




 
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