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Props to people still giving Apple their money for the 2016-2018 MacBooks
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Genuinely wishing you all the best with the laptop.
Wait... There is something wrong with the 2018 MBP??? That's odd.. mine works great.
Thank you. My faulty 2017 MBP and my wife's faulty MBP 2017 is so unusable we spend 12-16 hours a day on them and have for 8 months now with heavy usage (my wife especially on the faulty completely unusable keyboard). It's amazing that we're having so much fun with our faulty MBPs so thank you for the kind props. Having a device that allows me to walk into an Apple Store and get it fixed rapidly for little to no $ (AppleCare+) is great too. We won't be leaving our faulty MBPs or Apple anytime soon.
I realize what I'm saying isn't "hip" or "in" with the let's bash Apple, Apple doesn't care about its customers, Tim Cook is ruining Apple, it's the end of Apple for sure now, Apple is worse than a $200 laptop at Wal-Mart, crowd. So apologies. I probably should have just kept my mouth shut.
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You sir... are smarter than I am. I will learn from my mistakes and better mine with your example. (I'm being serious, lol). Thanks. Good day to you.
I realize what I'm saying isn't "hip" or "in" with the let's bash Apple, Apple doesn't care about its customers, Tim Cook is ruining Apple, it's the end of Apple for sure now, Apple is worse than a $200 laptop at Wal-Mart, crowd. So apologies. I probably should have just kept my mouth shut.
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You sir... are smarter than I am. I will learn from my mistakes and better mine with your example. (I'm being serious, lol). Thanks. Good day to you.
Thank you. My faulty 2017 MBP and my wife's faulty MBP 2017 is so unusable we spend 12-16 hours a day on them and have for 8 months now with heavy usage (my wife especially on the faulty completely unusable keyboard). It's amazing that we're having so much fun with our faulty MBPs so thank you for the kind props. Having a device that allows me to walk into an Apple Store and get it fixed rapidly for little to no $ (AppleCare+) is great too. We won't be leaving our faulty MBPs or Apple anytime soon.
I realize what I'm saying isn't "hip" or "in" with the let's bash Apple, Apple doesn't care about its customers, Tim Cook is ruining Apple, it's the end of Apple for sure now, Apple is worse than a $200 laptop at Wal-Mart, crowd. So apologies. I probably should have just kept my mouth shut.
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You sir... are smarter than I am. I will learn from my mistakes and better mine with your example. (I'm being serious, lol). Thanks. Good day to you.
Hope you have yours docked or something... 12-16 hours per day on a laptop would be brutal on the body.
Thank you. My faulty 2017 MBP and my wife's faulty MBP 2017 is so unusable we spend 12-16 hours a day on them and have for 8 months now with heavy usage (my wife especially on the faulty completely unusable keyboard). It's amazing that we're having so much fun with our faulty MBPs so thank you for the kind props. Having a device that allows me to walk into an Apple Store and get it fixed rapidly for little to no $ (AppleCare+) is great too. We won't be leaving our faulty MBPs or Apple anytime soon.
I realize what I'm saying isn't "hip" or "in" with the let's bash Apple, Apple doesn't care about its customers, Tim Cook is ruining Apple, it's the end of Apple for sure now, Apple is worse than a $200 laptop at Wal-Mart, crowd. So apologies. I probably should have just kept my mouth shut.
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You sir... are smarter than I am. I will learn from my mistakes and better mine with your example. (I'm being serious, lol). Thanks. Good day to you.
Holy yikes.
That or have taken one to many good hits to the head over my lifetime hahaha
Thank you. My faulty 2017 MBP and my wife's faulty MBP 2017 is so unusable we spend 12-16 hours a day on them and have for 8 months now with heavy usage (my wife especially on the faulty completely unusable keyboard). It's amazing that we're having so much fun with our faulty MBPs so thank you for the kind props. Having a device that allows me to walk into an Apple Store and get it fixed rapidly for little to no $ (AppleCare+) is great too. We won't be leaving our faulty MBPs or Apple anytime soon.
I realize what I'm saying isn't "hip" or "in" with the let's bash Apple, Apple doesn't care about its customers, Tim Cook is ruining Apple, it's the end of Apple for sure now, Apple is worse than a $200 laptop at Wal-Mart, crowd. So apologies. I probably should have just kept my mouth shut.
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You sir... are smarter than I am. I will learn from my mistakes and better mine with your example. (I'm being serious, lol). Thanks. Good day to you.
The 2016 and up notebooks are really great to work with. Only, for me, the nagging thing in the head became a little too much to take, that I have a notebook that can give me a $600-800 failure at any point of time come 2020 and I did not feel too good about the fact that I had a computer that was possibly going to give me a heartache and nuke my wallet in the next one and a half years.
Sold that notebook off, got myself a 2017 MB Air and I am as happy as I was with the MBP 2016, need wise. I know this computer's components are modular enough that if anything fails, I can replace without burning a hole in my wallet, and especially the battery that I can replace for $200 in my country, as against $600-800 if I were having the MBP 2016. I had found myself babying the 2016 keyboard and I was not happy with the fact. This was more important to me in a computer, than the stupendous performance of that machine.
Extras such as Touch Bar and Touch ID take the experience to a whole new level on the MBP 2016+ and I am hoping to join the wagon once again when some chinks are ironed out or when my luck improves.
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I think you are correct, which is why I think they have passed QC to the consumer. Some won’t bother with the return, others will accept the $200 refund Apple offered me for the nicked one, other will clean the adhesive off themselves as I did and accept it.
Cheaper to do that than to not just ship them out. flaws, scars, warts and all.
Yes - USB C to HDMI to external monitors for both of us. lol.
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The 2016 and up notebooks are really great to work with. Only, for me, the nagging thing in the head became a little too much to take, that I have a notebook that can give me a $600-800 failure at any point of time come 2020 and I did not feel too good about the fact that I had a computer that was possibly going to give me a heartache and nuke my wallet in the next one and a half years.
Sold that notebook off, got myself a 2017 MB Air and I am as happy as I was with the MBP 2016, need wise. I know this computer's components are modular enough that if anything fails, I can replace without burning a hole in my wallet, and especially the battery that I can replace for $200 in my country, as against $600-800 if I were having the MBP 2016. I had found myself babying the 2016 keyboard and I was not happy with the fact. This was more important to me in a computer, than the stupendous performance of that machine.
Extras such as Touch Bar and Touch ID take the experience to a whole new level on the MBP 2016+ and I am hoping to join the wagon once again when some chinks are ironed out or when my luck improves.
I'll be honest, I really liked my 2015 MBA. I loved that thing and used it daily for 3 years and it worked well even till the day I got rid of it. I regret selling it back for $450. Could definitely had made due with a 2017 MBA. Enjoy it for me.
And I hear you, that's in the back of my head. Hopefully by the time my AppleCare+ and 4 years of keyboard warranty from Apple wear off, I can sell it back to Apple for a MBA 2022!
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At the sort of volumes Apple is now producing at, I'm sure tight QC can get very expensive - combined with tighter tolerances and more 'fragile' (relatively speaking) computer designs it would potentially begin to become prohibitive to start turning down units for minor cosmetic issues? Not to excuse Apple, but this would probably filter back into the prices and inflate them even further
This makes so much sense, unfortunately Apple have a lot of leeway before they have irreversible company damage.
Firstly competitors products need to start coming out. Nothing touches the MBP on aesthetics, nothing comes remotely close, the amount of friends I have with dell/hp/toshiba with dodgy hinges is surreal. There's really not much we can do right now, our hands are almost forced, I was looking at selling my 2018 MBP 15inch, but what would I buy? XPS? Lenovo P1? They don't come close.
My question is how many years are we away from Tims Destruction? I mean, if they cock up the iPhones this year again, and then mess up the MacBooks the year after. After that we are looking at a pretty bad image.
Apples competitors are coming mighty close with their phones, the Huawei and Google phones are fantastic, and look great too. The tablet market is also saturated with the Surface Book rivalling the iPad.
Very soon guys...
I have one and I hate it. I didn't get mine through choice - the Apple store damaged my 2014 beyond repair.
Luckily, I haven't had the keyboard or screen issues yet - but it creaks every time you open it, the battery lasts about an hour and a half less than my 2014 did, the screen picks up dirt from the keyboard far faster than my 2014 did and whatever aluminium they're using seems to be made of cheese.
I still have a 2015 from work (which I unfortunately am not allowed to use as my personal machine) - and it's in perfect condition. In fact, no laptop I've ever owned has ever had any physical damage. Except this one - which seems to pick up chips like there's no tomorrow. Accidentally rest it on a cable - big chip out of the back. Drop a pen on the lid - another chip. Meanwhile, my 2015 which spends 3 hours a day being carted on a motorbike and train in my backpack, gets dumped on various desks as I go to meetings throughout the day and gets thrown through airport security multiple times a year - is still spotless.
Oh - and the most used key on my keyboard is probably the escape key - but you can't have a dedicated GPU and a physical escape key... What the heck!
Given I don't really have any reliance on OS X (my workflow will work perfectly well on any unix based OS) - I think I'm going to start slowly migrating over to non-apple hardware. It's a shame - as I've used Apple hardware exclusively for about 15 years now, but I just dislike where they're going.
Luckily, I haven't had the keyboard or screen issues yet - but it creaks every time you open it, the battery lasts about an hour and a half less than my 2014 did, the screen picks up dirt from the keyboard far faster than my 2014 did and whatever aluminium they're using seems to be made of cheese.
I still have a 2015 from work (which I unfortunately am not allowed to use as my personal machine) - and it's in perfect condition. In fact, no laptop I've ever owned has ever had any physical damage. Except this one - which seems to pick up chips like there's no tomorrow. Accidentally rest it on a cable - big chip out of the back. Drop a pen on the lid - another chip. Meanwhile, my 2015 which spends 3 hours a day being carted on a motorbike and train in my backpack, gets dumped on various desks as I go to meetings throughout the day and gets thrown through airport security multiple times a year - is still spotless.
Oh - and the most used key on my keyboard is probably the escape key - but you can't have a dedicated GPU and a physical escape key... What the heck!
Given I don't really have any reliance on OS X (my workflow will work perfectly well on any unix based OS) - I think I'm going to start slowly migrating over to non-apple hardware. It's a shame - as I've used Apple hardware exclusively for about 15 years now, but I just dislike where they're going.
I have a 2017 nTB MBP and it's awful.
If I use it for more than 9-10 hours, it simply turns off and says I need to plug it in. Appalling.
If I type on it, letters come out and form words exactly as I instructed it to do. Per these forums, this is completely unexpected behavior.
Apple is insane. Despite my laptop having zero issues, they gave me a 4-year warranty on my keyboard lasting until 2022. What were they thinking????
Also, it came in a very dark gray which I don't like. It's so dark it seems I'm in space.
*shrugs*
Maybe you guys are okay with the computer having all of these issues being able to pop up out of nowhere. Have a friend with the 2017 MBP currently dealing with this, and for each time (Twice) he has had to wait for a week. He has no other computers, and relies on the MacBook for his work, so a week without it is a killer.
Maybe you guys are okay with the computer having all of these issues being able to pop up out of nowhere. Have a friend with the 2017 MBP currently dealing with this, and for each time (Twice) he has had to wait for a week. He has no other computers, and relies on the MacBook for his work, so a week without it is a killer.
Well, you came here with an opening statement noting that it's "hilarious" that people are still buying these laptops because all of them are faulty. We have many users here noting that we have not had any issues (and I've had two of the things).
Confronted with these reports, your only conclusion is that hardware products might fail at any time?
C'mon, you can do better than that. This entire thread comes across as flamebait.
Honestly all laptops have a higher failure rate than desktops though. If they are mission critical and you can’t be a week without, you should definitely have a plan B, even if it’s buying a suitable used one that, while not ideal, can suitably function for a week.
The entry-level 15" MBP with 512GB SSD is as close to 3000 CHF here as you can get - 2918 CHF. Add Apple Care and the AV Multiport-Adapter and you're almost at 3500. With more adapters (and maybe a 2nd power-supply and accompanying cable) and a decent bag you're quickly at the 4k mark.
I would really be quite unhappy with the prospect of basically having to hedge a bet between either selling it shortly before AC runs out - or using it under the sword of Damocles (so to speak), always having to fear for the keyboard or some other part that might break and turn the unit into an 800 CHF repair-nightmare, three and a half years after purchase.
I know - wanting to use some thing longer than three years is an anachronism these days. But I really hope Apple realizes that these things are so expensive now that people want and need to get more use out of them - and for their own sake, I also hope they realize they have to make these things easier to repair. All these replacements are surely eating into their margins my now.
I'm glad I don't need one right now.
I would really be quite unhappy with the prospect of basically having to hedge a bet between either selling it shortly before AC runs out - or using it under the sword of Damocles (so to speak), always having to fear for the keyboard or some other part that might break and turn the unit into an 800 CHF repair-nightmare, three and a half years after purchase.
I know - wanting to use some thing longer than three years is an anachronism these days. But I really hope Apple realizes that these things are so expensive now that people want and need to get more use out of them - and for their own sake, I also hope they realize they have to make these things easier to repair. All these replacements are surely eating into their margins my now.
I'm glad I don't need one right now.
Well, enjoy your feeling of superiority. In the meantime, I’m buying a dozen MBPs per year for my group and couldn’t be happier with the reliability or functionality.
What's even more hilarious is that I'm quite happy with my 2016.
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That sword dangles over every laptop that's over 3 years old. I've had all sorts of stuff die at or around the 4 year mark on just about every laptop and desktop I've owned. I don't own anything over 5 years old that hasn't been repaired by me.
If the keyboard is fine after a year or two, I don't think it's any more likely to fail than any of their previous keyboards. Mine got better with age. It worked better after getting broken in. It hasn't jammed in over a year after spending the first year intermittently jamming.
The issues with SOME of the keyboards notwithstanding, it's actually a rather deceptively durable laptop. I've dropped mine from 3 feet a year ago and it's absolutely fine.
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I’ve been in IT professional for over a decade now. I hate to break this to you but every laptop in existence has one fault or another that will *eventually* have a problem. I’ve had 3 T580’s ribbon cable port for the hard drive fail out of the blue in the last month. I deal with it and move on. We don’t even bother purchasing the extended warranties per Machine because it’s more cost effective to replace individual machines than get the warranty on every device we purchase. I have no plans to move to another manufacturer and there’s certainly no way I’m going back to the HP’s this company was buying before.
If you don’t have a plan in place to deal with the fact that every mass manufactured piece of equipment will have a certain failure rate you’re just computer-ing wrong.
According to stats, basically one in three laptops is expected to fail after three years. Your chances are not too good no matter what you buy. A increased 2% or so chance of keyboard failure doesn’t make any difference. Not to mention that Apple always offers extended warranty if problems are substantial.
And anyway, you have 2 years of standard warranty in CH so you are fairly safe agains any kind of serious problem anyway (since these manifest themselves early on).
If you include the cost of a private butler to carry it everywhere for you, it's even more expensive.
I mean.. what are you even trying to argue here? That accessories increase the price? Colour me shocked and surprised sir.
P.S. Digitec sells a great selection of USB-C hubs for under 70 CHF that far exceed the functionality of Apple's adapter.
I'm not sure why you find anyone's purchase choice to be a bad one for them. Unless unfairly coerced we can assume that people are buying the product they feel will best fit their needs; whatever those needs are. Apple gets a ton of flack on here for crashing reliability due to keyboards and other issues like lack of repairability. Yet, no one has the data to do a cross brand or even cross generation comparison. I take threads on here about issues as valuable, but not gospel.
Consumer Reports still lists the MBP 2018 as the best laptop in its 15" category and they give it an excellent reliability score. They solicit data from their own tests, but also asking owners of Apple laptops who subscribe how reliable their devices have been. If Apple reliability had crashed they surely would have reported on it.
https://www.consumerreports.org/products/laptop/apple-macbook-pro-15-inch-8th-gen-396228/overview/
Like when they pulled it for the Surface:
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/08/10/consumer-reports-microsoft-surface/
Or when they pushed back on poor battery life on the MBP 2016 that lead to a patch from Apple:
https://www.imore.com/consumer-reports-fails-earn-macbook-pro-credibility
Trust me, if Apple laptops were failing at the rates people on these forums espouse (some people think 90-100% of these laptops fail) then you would have everyone up in arms. Rightfully so. But all brands have a failure rate and if Apple's failure rates are within industry norms (and nothing suggests they aren't) then there isn't anything to be concerned about.
So far, my MBP 2018 has been very reliable and I have 3 years of Apple Care+ + 1 year Amex extended. So I have 4 years of worry free ownership to decide if it was as reliable as my Lenovo T530 it replaced which lasted me 5 years.
Consumer Reports still lists the MBP 2018 as the best laptop in its 15" category and they give it an excellent reliability score. They solicit data from their own tests, but also asking owners of Apple laptops who subscribe how reliable their devices have been. If Apple reliability had crashed they surely would have reported on it.
https://www.consumerreports.org/products/laptop/apple-macbook-pro-15-inch-8th-gen-396228/overview/
Like when they pulled it for the Surface:
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/08/10/consumer-reports-microsoft-surface/
Or when they pushed back on poor battery life on the MBP 2016 that lead to a patch from Apple:
https://www.imore.com/consumer-reports-fails-earn-macbook-pro-credibility
Trust me, if Apple laptops were failing at the rates people on these forums espouse (some people think 90-100% of these laptops fail) then you would have everyone up in arms. Rightfully so. But all brands have a failure rate and if Apple's failure rates are within industry norms (and nothing suggests they aren't) then there isn't anything to be concerned about.
So far, my MBP 2018 has been very reliable and I have 3 years of Apple Care+ + 1 year Amex extended. So I have 4 years of worry free ownership to decide if it was as reliable as my Lenovo T530 it replaced which lasted me 5 years.
Don't get me wrong - all the other laptops from Dell et.al don't really appeal to me.
I still believe that Apple's laptops are the best you can buy in that segment. They just need to get a little easier to service, so that a keyboard-exchange isn't several hundred dollars. That is IMO just not acceptable.
Most likely, Apple bills the broken keyboards that are still under warranty back to whichever company in Shenzen put the laptop together - but that's still a huge waste of resources in my book.
I still believe that Apple's laptops are the best you can buy in that segment. They just need to get a little easier to service, so that a keyboard-exchange isn't several hundred dollars. That is IMO just not acceptable.
Most likely, Apple bills the broken keyboards that are still under warranty back to whichever company in Shenzen put the laptop together - but that's still a huge waste of resources in my book.