Proview Seeking to Cut Off Apple's Worldwide Supply of iPads

Tastydirt said:
Cost isn't the main issue, there is a severe lack of skilled (engineers) and unskilled labour in the US to be able to produce them at the quantities required. To get to the manufacturing capability of China, it will require a lot more than $80 billion.
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Well said. There aren't any US workers willing to work for the wages that are paid the Chinese workers. On top of that there are even fewer willing to live in dorms on the factory site to be ready to wake up at a moments notice and run to there workstation when the iPad3 line gets started.
 
Lennholm said:
Justified criticism on the bigotted and pathetically ignorant posts in this thread is a heck of lot bigger contribution to this thread those posts, and certainly more then your remark.
Spewing racism from their own bloated sense of self-entitlement isn't petty?
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actually the post carried a condescending tone, which was implied in a general sense to everyone on this board and was offensive.
 
surf2snow1 said:
It's not smart to argue with 8 year olds. On behalf of the USA I would like to formally apologize for that poster's ignorance.
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Thank God you stepped forward to speak for an entire country. Your grossly inflated sense of self worth seems to epitomize what you are apologizing for.
 
Joe-Diver said:
Thank God you stepped forward to speak for an entire country. Your grossly inflated sense of self worth seems to epitomize what you are apologizing for.
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Considering the posts by you that prompted his response, you really shouldn't be talking about "grossly inflated sense of self worth"
 
This and other incidents are bound to happen. Your dealing with a Communist government with a huge under paid slave work force. And back home your sitting pretty as the richest company on planet earth. If its not the Chinese companies it will be the workers causing the problems. Price you pay for dealing outside the US for cheap labor.
Apple is more worried about suing Android out of business but they need to get a handle on the issue that will explode in their face. The bigger Apple gets the more problems they will have.
 
yadmonkey said:
It's amazing how careless the comments around here are. So many people laughing off Proview and predicting Apple "simply" move production to other countries. This misses a HUGE point - that China is an extremely important growing market for Apple. I'm talking sales - not just production.

The arrogance and stupidity of my American countrymen is worrisome. Apple is smart enough not to have all of their eggs in this declining basket. They've moved a huge chunk of their cash reserves overseas and understand the importance of foreign/emerging markets.

As the proverb goes, pride goeth before the fall. These boards (and others) are rife with American hubris.
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Well I can't speak for anyone else but the only humorous thing I found in this whole thing was just how blatantly they decided to extort Apple and people connected to Apple.
 
djgamble said:
True in theory but Chinese courts aren't like western courts. They are VERY political and decisions are rarely based on the actual merit of the case.
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Of course. I am not trying to claim that the Chinese court is not political. My point was that the general assumption here that Apple will be the one getting screwed over is rather suspect.
 
If they change the name to hipad or something like that I bet that they infringe the knockoffs trademarks.

Dropping China would be great for other economies other than China. But I doubt that they would return to the us / eu.
 
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ChristianJapan said:
I'm fine with an restriction of local sales. If the TM is owned by someone else: bad luck for Apple and simply homework not done. But restricting export is like asking for a ransom.
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If someone started producing a product called the eyePhone in the United States, the factory would be quickly raided and shut down. Same concept.



blackburn said:
Dropping China would be great for other economies other than China. But I doubt that they would return to the us / eu.
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It will raise prices and cost the consumer more to buy everyday items. I don't see how that will benefit the average American?



cdmoore74 said:
Your dealing with a Communist government with a huge under paid slave work force.
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The workers are far from slaves - jobs at reputable factories pay well. When you factor in the cost of living, the salaries are decent.

The Chinese government isn't forcing anyone to work in these factories. Western corporations also share some of the blame for any poor conditions in the factories because it is the foreign corporations who impose strict deadlines and low contract prices...
 
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China cutting of its own balls? I don't think so!
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TALK ABOUT BITING THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU.

HEADLINE: Apple says FU to China and moves all jobs to brazil and Mexico.
 
coolspot18 said:
It will raise prices and cost the consumer more to buy everyday items. I don't see how that will benefit the average American?
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iPads aren't everyday items. You don't depend on it to live. I don't think China can keep with their scheme much longer (not this little thing but the whole thing, like coin value manipulation and cheap labor).
 
samcraig said:
And Asus isn't in any trademark or design/patent lawsuit with Apple.
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Just because a suit has been filled, or leaked, doesn't mean that Asus isn't guilty of copying a patented design without permission

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thelookingglass said:
If you cared to read up on the facts of the case, you'd see that this is simply an instance of Apple's lawyers assuming too much and not reading the underlying trademark documents carefully enough.
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Have you seen these documents. Do you know first hand for a fact that it says that Chinese rights aren't in the package and that the guilty party isn't Proview who are pissed they 'got played' and undersold the mark
 
CFreymarc said:
"If you can't buy them, invade them.", Napoleon
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Somewhat ironic....tonight on the local news, they did a story on Apple stock topping $500 and sustaining the value through trading. The very NEXT story was China's Vice President Xi Jinping visiting the US, being welcomed by Obama and wanting to go to a hog farm in Iowa to visit a family he stayed with back in 1985.
 
Retaliation?

I find it interesting that Apple starts demanding better treatment of the employees of it's suppliers, then all of this happens.
 
Tastydirt said:
If you understood the arguments then you'd know $80 billion wouldn't make any difference in the short to medium term.

Cost isn't the main issue, there is a severe lack of skilled (engineers) and unskilled labour in the US to be able to produce them at the quantities required. To get to the manufacturing capability of China, it will require a lot more than $80 billion.
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There is no skilled engineer shortage in the US, only a shortage of CHEAP skilled engineer who drink the kool aid :)
 
CFreymarc said:
"If you can't buy them, invade them.", Napoleon
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This is war. I just hope it stays a war of economic destruction and not a war of guns and bombs. China's intent is to bleed the west dry, then buy up all the assets they can get their hands on. It is a good strategy.

Our best strategy is to use technology as a force multiplier, devaluing their low cost labor to the extent that transportation costs make Chinese goods more expensive. The first step of this strategy is to build as many factories in as many countries as we can. This will reduce China's ability to spend it's money on automation and improving QC.

If we start moving our manufacturing away from China, they will be forced to retaliate in a very desperate way. I know this sounds counter intuitive, however, the United States has the advantage in this contest. We just need to remember Sun Tzu and give China an easy out.
 
ChristianJapan said:
But Apple own the TM for (all?) other markets. Production in China should be kind of protected to allow export in those markets ... If not, production in China is a high risk for small and big companies at any time.
I'm fine with an restriction of local sales. If the TM is owned by someone else: bad luck for Apple and simply homework not done. But restricting export is like asking for a ransom.
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That shouldn't and apparently doesn't actually matter, the product IS infringing just by being produced, even if it would be for export only, that's how it works everywhere.

It's not asking for a ransom at all, it's asking that no infringing products be produced on that country at all.

I do find funny that it's China we're talking about, just saw a couple of days ago the Top Gear episode where they go and test cars made in china, BMW lost a case for a car that looks exactly like an X5...

Oh well, i wonder how it'll turn out.
 
The irony of a Chinese company crying intellectual property infringement, whether it be a trademark or patent... lol.

How many thousands of knockoffs are exported from china to the rest of the world everyday. :confused:
 
Jobs actually tried manufacturing in the USA: the NeXT computer. It was not successful, although the reasons could be argued. The price was a big factor in the failure as NeXT could not respond to the rapidly falling industry pricing.

I wonder how much manufacturing capability exists in the USA anymore. So little of huge scale manufacturing is done in the USA it would be difficult to find skilled labor to create and operate a factory at such a scale.

There is also the matter of burdensome government regulation in the USA and associated costs, however one can argue that the environmental and health price the Chinese will ultimately pay for their productivity may not be worth it in the long run. People that I know that visit China near such factories vividly describe the overwhelming pollution.
 
Apple: Stop stealing ideas, trademarks, technology, IPs etc. And then this kind of stuff won't happen.
 
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