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Proview Seeking to Cut Off Apple's Worldwide Supply of iPads

Punchin Beehives eh

Well, I guess China's not too concerned about Apple moving its massive manufacturing contracts to other areas. I bet India's super-keen to welcome the business. Sadly the key point isn't really who owns the use of the term "ipad" in China, but rather at what point does killing business over that kind of stuff drive a major player like Apple in to just saying "aww, screw you douche's" and setting up operations elsewhere. Maybe that ~$100B they've got kickin around will play a bit of a role with that...

HEh, they should buy some inpoverished country and rig up the iCountry to produce everything they need from the ground up. Sweet.
 
Portuguese, not Spanish

mainemanx said:
Hola Brasil!
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Please, it's this type of comment that makes us U.S. Americans look ignorant to the rest of the world. They speak Portuguese in Brazil, not Spanish. It takes all of 3 seconds to google and confirm this.
 
ABernardoJr said:
That's the other standard practice around here. Seek out as many ways as possible to portray anyone who supports Apple in a bad light. Criticize for the sake of criticizing, and then when people point that out they're just "fanboys". Happiness comes from Apple stumbling, or even possibly stumbling, so they can throw it in eveyone else's face. :rolleyes:
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the details of the spat were covered in the article, as well as previous articles around the web. One such article I already posted in the thread explains how Apple already acquired the rights to the iPad name from Proview in 2006.

Im not being a "fanboy", Im pointing that people should read the presented information before applying their own criticisms.

Some people blindly praise Apple, even when they have done wrong while other criticize them when they've done nothing wrong. Its as simple as that.

here is the link i posed earlier which has more background info on the matter

http://business.time.com/2012/02/07/apple-faces-1-6-billion-legal-challenge-over-ipad-name-in-china/#ixzz1mHgRFXvF
 
Apple having problems with China? It serves them right for sending American jobs overseas to use slave labor with no human rights just to make more money. I mean just imagine a Communist country that is clearly out to achieve economic dominance at any cost and doesn't respect copyrights or human rights or well...anything being back-stabbers. Gee, no one could see that one coming. :rolleyes: If they'd kept their manufacturing in a country that actually has a fair justice system these things wouldn't happen.

IMO, more people in these companies should be thinking about being FAIR to their workers. Yes, they're out to make money, but don't do it by creating hell-like working conditions and paying workers next to nothing while the top few sit at their comfy desks and do jack squat to make dozens of millions or even billions. I mean how much is enough to live comfortably? It never seems to be enough for this people. Frankly, Steve Jobs demonstrated no ethical values what-so-ever all in the name of endless GREED and he wasn't shy about it either from what I've read about an interview with Obama about NOT bringing back manufacturing to the U.S. and telling him they better start lowering labor standards and wages here if they don't want to lose ALL the remaining jobs (while he took advantage of growing up in a free country with military protection and opportunities here). Then there was his obvious lack of charitable contributions despite having BILLIONS and his comment that he wants to keep it in the family, (i.e. not help anyone else less fortunate). Karma can be a terrible thing. Honestly, I wouldn't want to be in Jobs shoes wherever he is now. You can't buy your way into the afterlife and I'd rather suffer here by doing the right thing than there by refusing to do it. :eek:
 
yadmonkey said:
It's amazing how careless the comments around here are. So many people laughing off Proview and predicting Apple "simply" move production to other countries. This misses a HUGE point - that China is an extremely important growing market for Apple. I'm talking sales - not just production.

The arrogance and stupidity of my American countrymen is worrisome. Apple is smart enough not to have all of their eggs in this declining basket. They've moved a huge chunk of their cash reserves overseas and understand the importance of foreign/emerging markets.

As the proverb goes, pride goeth before the fall. These boards (and others) are rife with American hubris.
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Wow 108 words and you contributed nothing but petty criticism of people on this board.
 
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bushido said:
lets see, pay 15 Euro an Hour and "only" 8 hours a day or 1 Euro for 12 hours a day, yea i think companies will stick to "asian" countries
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You are focusing only on one part of the equation - as transportation costs increase moving production closer to home makes sense. It's a total cost of production argument, not a labor cost one.

With higher productivity workers and automation higher labor costs can be absorbed. You don't get a 1:1 job transfer - far fewer workers are used in higher wage countries. China substitutes labor for other forms of production - the key to in-sourcing is to substitute technology and lower transportation costs for higher wages.

As a side note, anyone who thinks we can restore the level of manufacturing jobs in the US that we once had by bringing in work form China is nuts; we can get more but it won't be anywhere near what we once had. The real end result is China loses a lot more jobs than we gain and gets to deal with the resulting social problems.
 
jlc1978 said:
You are focusing only on one part of the equation - as transportation costs increase moving production closer to home makes sense. It's a total cost of production argument, not a labor cost one.
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good point. eventually the costs of Chinese production will rise with inflation. Apple cant simply drop them overnight but this whole mess may be the kick in the pants Apple needs to step things up
 
5aga said:
the details of the spat were covered in the article[...]
http://business.time.com/2012/02/07/apple-faces-1-6-billion-legal-challenge-over-ipad-name-in-china/#ixzz1mHgRFXvF
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The facts of the case are known only to the legal teams and courts, so any commentary on the case, even by legal experts, cannot include all the facts.

Surely part of the problem is that the Chinese government thinks China is one country, so Apple could have purchased Chinese rights in Taiwan=China.

Proview's iPad product (according to the photo posted in another thread) looks to be a CRT monitor. So there would be an issue of how use of Proview's trademark will have impacted on Proview's product sales ... not.

Perhaps the lawsuit will be used as an excuse for many US companies to move manufacturing out of China - which has more serious undertones in the world economy where China has been outgrowing Western economies....
 
jackzig said:
Perhaps Apple should think about bringing, if not all, at least a portion of it's manufacturing jobs back to the USA. Made in America may cost Apple a little, however with their profits they can afford it.
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No they can't, but jumping on the "bring jobs back" bandwagon seems to be the thing. Enjoy your $2,000 iPad.

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emulator said:
So if I take someone's unpublished work and make it a worldwide phenomenon, I'll be lauded up to the skies, right?
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What work? We are talking about the name iPad.
 
So

why do I even come here. Apple fanboys.... So it's ok for Apple to be bullies and sue anyone if you even think about infringing on them and everyone here applauds, but apple abuses other patents and it's ok or "Apple will just buy them.
 
What does this have to do with the Chinese government. Apple either screwed up or didn't. All the Chinese court is doing is looking at the facts presented to them and making a ruling based on the laws in the book. There is no incentive for them to intentionally screw Apple over. If anything they have a lot more incentive to screw ProView over.

This isn't some super complicated case people are making it out to be. It won't even really be at the discretion of the court as the usual #1 issue in trademark dispute is not an issue here (whether the trademark was filed in bad faith). It comes down to who actually owns the trademark (easy to check who filed for the trademark) and whether ProView Taiwan had the power to sell those trademarks.
 
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Time for people to move operations away from China and into countries with governments who can cooperate.
 
JimmyDreams said:
Look beyond this issue to what Apple COULD do if they wanted:

"Attention world. You won't get your iPad3, nor ANY Apple product made in China until this case is settled. As of today, ALL shipments of ALL Apple products from China are being suspended by us. We are asking for all Apple customers to boycott ANYTHING made in China until this issue is resolved. We have the money to wait this out, and you have the power to bring China effectively to it's knees in a few days."

Game. Set. Match.
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Jimmy, keep dreaming cuz that's what you're saying is.
 
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lixuelai said:
What does this have to do with the Chinese government. Apple either screwed up or didn't. All the Chinese court is doing is looking at the facts presented to them and making a ruling based on the laws in the book. There is no incentive for them to intentionally screw Apple over. If anything they have a lot more incentive to screw ProView over.

This isn't some super complicated case people are making it out to be. It won't even really be at the discretion of the court as the usual #1 issue in trademark dispute is not an issue here (whether the trademark was filed in bad faith). It comes down to who actually owns the trademark (easy to check who filed for the trademark) and whether ProView Taiwan had the power to sell those trademarks.
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True in theory but Chinese courts aren't like western courts. They are VERY political and decisions are rarely based on the actual merit of the case.
 
Let's not forget the GATT Treaty (General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs) drafted by the World Trade Organization and fully supported by your local politicians (without your consent). There's no way Western corporations are going to move out of China over a petty lawsuit. The incentives are too good.

Consider this: under GATT, corporations that move operations overseas are subsidized against related losses for a period of seven years. These corporations may also apply for an extension of this benefit-- up to an additional seven years. In the case of the USA, these subsidies are funded with federal tax money.

The point is that Apple will not be leaving China anytime soon, if ever.
 
"lack of unskilled labor in the US"?

Tastydirt said:
If you understood the arguments then you'd know $80 billion wouldn't make any difference in the short to medium term.

Cost isn't the main issue, there is a severe lack of skilled (engineers) and unskilled labour in the US to be able to produce them at the quantities required. To get to the manufacturing capability of China, it will require a lot more than $80 billion.
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so you think skilled engineers assemble iPhones? wow....actually they are not...and the type of education required to work an "assembly line" is a simple certificate in process technology offered at community colleges all around the country...you think those are Chinese "engineers" working for a dollar a day? cost is the issue..THE ONLY ISSUE
 
ArcaneDevice said:
It is hilarious when Apple is throwing it's weight around trying to bully other products off the market everyone here is on their side. When it's Apple being brought to task for the same reasons suddenly the opposition is the bad guy.

And yes, Apple have infringed patents and trademarks before, like the Cisco iPhone. Check your history Apple newbies. They are not always in the right.
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I think what happened there was that they announced the iPhone before buying the name from Cisco, and afterwards did end up striking a deal with them.

I don't know that there's much bullying to be done with trademarks. If someone (whether it be Cisco, Apple, or whoever) owns a trademark that you want to use, you have to make a deal with them.

If you really infringe do on a trademark, you're gonna pay period.
 
jsolares said:
Why not?? they shouldn't be producing things under trademark that they don't own.
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But Apple own the TM for (all?) other markets. Production in China should be kind of protected to allow export in those markets ... If not, production in China is a high risk for small and big companies at any time.
I'm fine with an restriction of local sales. If the TM is owned by someone else: bad luck for Apple and simply homework not done. But restricting export is like asking for a ransom.
 
PCClone said:
Sure, as soon as we make all unions illegal, allow illegals to work there and get rid of the anti business administration. Oh and expect to pay double for all Apple products.

Or to state the simple answer...Nope.
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And with the unions outlawed and a government that does everything to please their buddys in the corporate management it wont be long until working conditions for american workers are just as bad as they are on the Foxconn floor


5aga said:
Wow 108 words and you contributed nothing but petty criticism of people on this board.
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Justified criticism on the bigotted and pathetically ignorant posts in this thread is a heck of lot bigger contribution to this thread those posts, and certainly more then your remark.
Spewing racism from their own bloated sense of self-entitlement isn't petty?
 
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