ProfessionalFan
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People saying it failed already were saying it was going to fail before it released and want to feel like they are right. Of course, it didn't fail (or succeed) yet.
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PSA: If You Bought Vision Pro at Launch, Your Return Window Ends Friday
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dampfnudel
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A price decrease will only help if the product is significantly improved by then. Better comfort and a killer app or two would contribute greatly to that. Apple knows exactly what they have to do and there’s probably already a third generation prototype (or two or three) in the lab in Cupertino as I type this.
Surf Monkey
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No, but the board may begin questioning Tim Cook’s suitability to continue as CEO.
Surf Monkey
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Right. But more to the point, when has Apple (or any tech company for that matter) reduced the price of subsequent generations of a device by so much? People here seem to expect this to become available in a more capable version that’s smaller and more comfortable… for about half the price.
That is not going to happen. The $3,400.00 is where it starts. It’ll go UP from there.
Apple fans are starting to return their Vision Pros
That 14-day return window is fast approaching.
www.theverge.com
“Comfort, headache, and eye strain are among the top reasons people say they’re returning their Vision Pro headsets.”
Pretty much the same issues Apple has ignored in their phones, tablets, and laptops. They have no expertise in this area so don’t expect fixes anytime soon.
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The non-Pro iPad is pretty close to half the price of the Pro. The weird thing about the Vision is that they came out with a Pro version first.
I am not sure the Vision Pro has failed yet as many claimed. When the iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch launched, they were ”lacklustre” to many, ”overpriced” and missing many “needed” features.
Let’s re-examine this a few generations down the road; this is only the first gen. It is more of a product and brand introduction to the consumers than a mass marketed product. By this metric, Apple is doing a damn fine job in letting people know of and about the Vision Pdo.
Let’s re-examine this a few generations down the road; this is only the first gen. It is more of a product and brand introduction to the consumers than a mass marketed product. By this metric, Apple is doing a damn fine job in letting people know of and about the Vision Pdo.
turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
If that was the "Pro" model, I don't even want to see the non-Pro and the compromises needed to make it pencil for Apple and their standard required margins.
Always a chance but very much doubt it. I’d say we will see VisionOS 2 at WWDC and some form of announcement about the broader rollout globally.
levis7878
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Abazigal
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If reports of the Vision Pro being supply constrained are true, then it makes sense to charge a higher price because you know there won’t be that many units available for sale anyways.
Sounds like simple economics at work.
wbeasley
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a whole generation of Influencers looking for a free ride off their opinions 😉
wbeasley
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exactly.
the tech experts blasted the first iPad for it's silly name and who would want one, what would you do with it?
12 months later the comments didnt hold up well.
ten years on the look positively shortsighted.
very few new tech devices launch a version 1 that's truly awesome.
most take two or three goes to find the balance point and mass uptake.
at $3500 these are more MacBook Pro than Air.
of course fewer people can justify that money.
but the Lisa was soooooo expensive but the software and environment became the iMac of today...
Ubuntu
macrumors 68020
Uh, I think the iPad still has that problem.
wbeasley
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well millions of iPad users might disagree with your opinion 😉
Ubuntu
macrumors 68020
But come on, you have to admit it’s rarely the first product for most of those users. It has some valid use cases for sure but if you asked most users which device they’d give up first I’d bet it would go something like:
- iPad (because sans Pencil the Mac and iPhone can do a lot of the same functionality and the software is too limited)
- Apple Watch (it at least has a health tracking narrative)
- Mac
- iPhone
Last two could be interchangeable but I hope you get the point I’m trying to make
I guess I don't get the point you are trying to make. Is it, your opinion is everyone's opinion?
If I had to give up Apple products it would be in a somewhat different order:
Apple Watch - Don't have one. My watch cost $29.95 and the battery has lasted over 5 years, so far.
Mac - Use my MBA a couple times a week, usually. Work and play, I use a PC. Use Mac for writing mostly.
iPhone - For use at work when I don't have my iPad. Mostly just at lunch. Also for 2FA or emergency.
iPad Pro - Use every day, at least 4 hours a day, more on weekends. Mostly reading and browsing.
Piggie
macrumors G3
It's certainly going to be very very interesting to see how Apple changes/modifies it's plans following this initial US launch and customer feedback over the past few weeks.
Apple are not stupid (arrogant, greedy, petty yes, but not stupid) Well not much of the time anyway 😉
And I'm sure they are going to need to be flexible on how they handle things given customers reactions and feedback.
I remember that well. Many here said, "Who needs it, it's just a big iPhone!" And all the grade school level jokes about iPad sounding like a feminine hygiene product.
Ditto proclaiming Apple Watch a flop because... "If I want to know the time I'll just look at my phone."
And iPod: "Who needs a thousand songs in your pocket?" A dig at Steve Job's iPod introduction saying, "Presenting iPod, and a thousand songs in your pocket."
And even iPhone because it didn't have a mechanical keyboard, and would thus be a failure.
So... it looks like AVP is next up now.
So many tech experts here who believe they're smarter than Apple. Never ceases to crack me up.
wbeasley
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a Mac and iPhone interchangeable? Geez, that's a loooooooooooooooong stretch.
Daily people complain on here that Macs and iOS devices are too different even if hardware underneath is capable of running the same code. even iPads and iPhones have enough software differences (because screen size does suit some tasks better).
this is just another branch of computing. immersive. and early days.
is it niche currently? yes.
but IBM thought we only needed a few mainframe computers... and why would anyone want a personal PC?
and anyone crying over the price, go back 40 years ago and look at hardware prices.
or 20 years for how little capacity hard drives were and the prices.
this will get cheaper and smaller and more powerful.
Ubuntu
macrumors 68020
Yeah basically. I’m speaking anecdotally of course but no one I know or have heard from (e.g. podcasters) would choose the iPad over the rest.
Ubuntu
macrumors 68020
What I meant was I can easily see some people choosing their iPhone over their Mac and vice versa - not that they do the same thing.
dampfnudel
macrumors 603
If the price stays that high or goes higher, that will mean developers won’t have much of a incentive to develop for it or continue to develop for it because the huge sums of money they could potentially make off this product if it had become mainstream and within reach of the average consumer (between $1,000 and $2,000) will never materialize. I think Apple knows a price reduction of at least $1,500 will become necessary to stop this from becoming their most niche product ever…other than their cleaning cloth.
dampfnudel
macrumors 603
Personally, I’m on the fence if the AVP will be a success or not. I think Apple knows the current version lacks polish and purpose. They also know that in addition to improvements like improving comfort and adding some killer app or two, a significant price drop at some point will be necessary. The future for the iPhone seemed much clearer in 2007 than the future for the AVP seems right now. As always, I’m hoping that future becomes brighter for this new product from Apple (with a significant price decrease of course).