The “FUTURE”. That is the word that basically has become synonymous with AVP. It is an ignorant way of thinking because the “FUTURE” of competing companies (ASUS, Frame, XReal) products and their “FUTURE” capabilities wouldn’t improve is ignored. The products of these companies already are much more advanced than that of the AVP (Glasses form factor, TRUE AR, etc.) . Moreover, Meta Quest will become too, more advanced and will still have a more appealing price point for the average consumer. Do you genuinely believe several iterations of AVP down the line will be sub $800? NO WAY!
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That’s because the return rate of those products was so minimal that it wasn’t even “newsworthy” or of any significance. The fact that a popular search term on Google is “Apple Vision Pro Returns” speaks volumes.
What’s it like answering a phone call while using the AVP? Also, I take it you are single and live alone or spend a lot of free time by yourself. Each app an experience is quite isolating and nothing like the Meta Quest which is very social, i.e. Rec Room
The “future” of computing? Name one app in which you can share an experience with another AVP wearer (besides FaceTime). Also, PLEASE do yourself a favor and have a look at the TRUE AR products produced TODAY by XReal, Frame, and ASUS. Now, is the “future” of computing goggles with fake eyes the “future” or are glasses in which you can view someone’s real eyes the “future”?
Surf Monkey
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You should stop accusing people of hate. I haven’t seen anyone express hate towards it. Criticism of its shortfalls is not hate.
Timo_Existencia
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Criticism and Constructive Criticism are very different things. But for those you who just come back, thread after thread, to say the very same things, over and over, who click "like" on every single post that criticizes the AVP, whether that comment has merit or not? No, that's not just "criticism."
As I've said before, it seems pathological to spend so much energy "against" something. Go somewhere you want to help build, and use positive energy. We'd all be better off.
turbineseaplane
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Agreed
I think folks should back off the "hate" or "love" descriptions ... of a digital scuba mask screen
turbineseaplane
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...and how is that different than folks who "disklike" or "laugh" at every one of those same posts?
Surf Monkey
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You’re over reacting and have been for weeks now. It seems to me that taking this stuff personally is not a good idea.
turbineseaplane
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If your feelings about your AVP are being impacted by how random internet strangers talk about it online..
...maybe step away from the computer for a few days and take some breaths of outside air
...maybe step away from the computer for a few days and take some breaths of outside air
Timo_Existencia
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I'm not taking it personally. It's just like graffiti everywhere. It's distracting from productive conversations and diminishes the level of discourse on MacRumors. I'd hope for elevated discussions, including valid criticisms, but that's not what MacRumors has become.
cpnotebook80
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Brings me to this news article from last year warning on the early launch for this very reason.
www.macworld.com
However, now that it is launched, they can beta test it and work out all the kinks and over time and few generations, be be able to produce a more reliable affordable product for the masses.
Tim Cook 'overruled' AR/VR headset design team's objections to 2023 launch
Apple designers reportedly warned against launching the new wearable this year, but were ignored.
www.macworld.com
However, now that it is launched, they can beta test it and work out all the kinks and over time and few generations, be be able to produce a more reliable affordable product for the masses.
Surf Monkey
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The boosters like you are just as obnoxious.
Timo_Existencia
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I see a fundamental difference between supporting a product that you want to see improved, compared those of you who have been on here for months to do nothing more than denigrate the product. It's a product. It's not a political discussion. I don't see support or hate as equivalent in terms of value to meaningful discussion.
turbineseaplane
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Just "releasing something" doesn't mean...
"ahh..now the kinks can be worked out and suddenly a more reliable and affordable product for the masses can be made!"
"not releasing something" wasn't holding them back from making a better product
The technology isn't there for the dream product here
I don't how many times people need to hear this to actually internalize it.
Apple is not capable of creating technology that doesn't exist
Surf Monkey
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Brings me to this news article from last year warning on the early launch for this very reason.
Tim Cook 'overruled' AR/VR headset design team's objections to 2023 launch
Apple designers reportedly warned against launching the new wearable this year, but were ignored.
However, now that it is launched, they can beta test it and work out all the kinks and over time and few generations, be be able to produce a more reliable affordable product for the masses.
This is exactly what I’ve been talking about. Tim Cook doesn’t understand design. He has driven away all the creatives in the executive team and he doesn’t listen to the designers who remain. This is a serious problem for a DESIGN company.
Timo_Existencia
macrumors 68000
This comment is pure gold.
Surf Monkey
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Right. In the case of supporters it’s completely innocent. In the case of critics it’s pure hate.
You’re really not seeing the hypocrisy of that position?
Timo_Existencia
macrumors 68000
Meanwhile, I love my AVP, think it's one of the best designed products I've ever owned, and have been able to be more productive using it for my work than I have been on my laptop.
...or do you think I should just listen to your repeatedly-made criticisms and ignore my own experiences?
Surf Monkey
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Is this an example of you innocently boosting Vision?
Timo_Existencia
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Nobody who is just here to give valid criticism of a product spends months, days, hours to make the same criticisms over and over and over.
That's a whole different psychology.
Surf Monkey
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Give it up. You’re doing the exact thing you’re criticizing people for without even a whiff of awareness that you’re doing it.
Never said anything about price. I don’t think anyone expects Apple to compete on price. But I’d say you’re being ignorant if you think Apple isn’t thinking about the “future” of Apple Vision and the roadmap of where they want to take things.
turbineseaplane
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What is the "future" and where do they "want to take it"?