Ventura is the gift that keeps on not giving. I’m still on Monterey first year since I’ve owned a Mac that I’ve avoided updating.
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PSA: Latest macOS Ventura 13.4 Beta Doesn't Play Nice With Content Filter Apps
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It affects only network filters running on macos 13.4 beta.
Ventura is fine I just dislike the new system settings it's narrow and hard to find stuff, truly not made for large screens.
Confirmed on my MBP that b4 is not playing well with network filters. I have Objective-See LuLu installed. After the MacOS Ventura b4 update, no network connections were working (Wifi, Wired). I decided to disable LuLu (and updated it to latest version) and with LuLu disabled, everything is running perfectly.
That is a good point. Point releases should refine. However, seems like they are trying to do the agile thing of constant releases. Find if security and bugs. But, feature are definitely being release. I wonder if root cause is features or regression part of other bug fixes. Fix 2, break 1.
Yes, there are always tradeoffs and things that you can’t catch in a beta, but it’s strange to me that Apple is actively changing so many things under the hood (e.g. sometimes abruptly enforcing a deprecation in the middle of a major version). I don’t have any proof, I just feel like this is part of the reason that these bugs are showing up.
Apple once completely hosed AppleScript 5 builds into a beta cycle which was just baffling to me: https://mjtsai.com/blog/2022/07/06/applescript-broken-in-macos-12-5-beta-5/
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After the update, neither my M1 Pro nor my Intel Macbook Pro would connect to the Internet, either wirelessly or hardwired. I disabled all the Cisco AnyConnect stuff in my networking settings and everything (email, Internet) runs fine. Except I can't use AnyConnect to get into my workplace VPN.
The kooky way I get around that? Fire up Windows in Parallels and connect to work through the AnyConnect VPN there. Crazy that Windows via Parallels lets me connect to the VPN, but the new Ventura Beta doesn't.
The kooky way I get around that? Fire up Windows in Parallels and connect to work through the AnyConnect VPN there. Crazy that Windows via Parallels lets me connect to the VPN, but the new Ventura Beta doesn't.
I appreciate people testing non-production code for the rest of us who can't do that because we have a primary machine that's critical for us to do work on.
There's millions of different configurations out there, and Apple can't test them all. I'm glad this kind of thing gets found before release - as long as they fix it, unlike say, the USB bugs that *still* haven't been fixed since Monterey was released.
But...a firewall impacting bug? Yeah, that should have been caught internally. If it was just one app, ok, get a pass. But for the entire class of apps? That's an API defect that regression should have caught.
Still no sympathy for people complaining they can't do work. Don't install betas on production machines.
There's millions of different configurations out there, and Apple can't test them all. I'm glad this kind of thing gets found before release - as long as they fix it, unlike say, the USB bugs that *still* haven't been fixed since Monterey was released.
But...a firewall impacting bug? Yeah, that should have been caught internally. If it was just one app, ok, get a pass. But for the entire class of apps? That's an API defect that regression should have caught.
Still no sympathy for people complaining they can't do work. Don't install betas on production machines.
Just when we need it most due to malwares expanding to macOS (especially the one that was shared through telegram this week )
As people above have said, it's beta software. I half suspect that they incorporated outside libraries that had been updated for security reasons. The things the filters were doing might have been exploits in the hands of bad people.
That would be very unlikely.
That feature might have been deleted because, it interacted with something they changed and that interaction would be bad.
I suspect Apple uses third party libraries. I strongly suspect those libraries fixed potential exploits in their code. I suspect the internet filters were using those potential exploits. I have been seeing much of my Linux software stop working because of updates to Ubuntu. I suspect this is true for many distros.
I suspect that the changes were to deal with malware and newly found exploits.
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It’s 2023, we are still experiencing a network issue. Anyone recall the moment below? 🛜
I guess you haven't experienced the thunderbolt bugs I've experienced, the USB dropouts, my Aquantia lan adapter bugging out when the system resumes from sleep, kernel panics. On Monterey, my Macintosh can stay up for 30+ days without the need for a restart. On Ventura with the same hardware, it crashes every 3-4 days. Clean install. What's the point of moving to Ventura if it is bugged out?
The two last betas also had network issues which required a cold reboot of my iMac to fix. Glad to see they are working on making this more widespread.
I'm sorry to hear that I can relate to the thunderbolt bugs one of my TB drives sometimes fails to mount on restart I thought it was a cable malfunction as per the network issue I haven't had any I use a manual static ip and dns.
I’m so happy I got off of the beta train with Apple. I did it for years and finally decided I’ll wait for final releases. 💻👍🏻
Just another reason not to "upgrade"
Thanks, I will stick with Monterey.
Apple, get back to making things BETTER, not DIFFERENT.
My computer is a tool, not a fashion item, I do not care if it looks the same for 20 years, what I don't want is having to relearn everything I have done for 20 years and have lots of stuff continuously broken.
Thanks, I will stick with Monterey.
Apple, get back to making things BETTER, not DIFFERENT.
My computer is a tool, not a fashion item, I do not care if it looks the same for 20 years, what I don't want is having to relearn everything I have done for 20 years and have lots of stuff continuously broken.
This isn't the first time something like an incoming/outgoing app blocker (3rd party network filter) has caused problems. Little Snitch for example was previous discussed concerning some past MacOS issues. Most people normally would not be using this type of app.
certainly seems that way, I'm having to reboot regularly to fix stuff.
Issues like these are exactly the reason I don’t try Apple betas anymore, even as a dev.
I’m not going to play the free worker for a multi billion dollar company.
If they pay me, i might give it a try.
Ramp up the paid internal testers and such things doesn’t happen.
In my opinion public beta tests is to catch smaller glitches, but a show stopper like this is something for internal testers.
Apple’s Software quality is 🤮, this just means that till now not a single soul at Apple tried the content filtering feature, it’s as if they don’t use their own crap.
RSR says it all!
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