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PSA: Latest macOS Ventura 13.4 Beta Doesn't Play Nice With Content Filter Apps
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It honestly seems like Apple needs to make it harder to get betas again. People really need to internalize that betas — especially early betas — can be expected to do pretty much anything but fry hardware.
(And even that's possible, it would just be unexpected.)
The whole reason public betas exists is to root out these issues before release. And, as others who remember actually using Snow Leopard might point out, it wasn't actually as stable or bug free as it's reputed today until some .x releases after the initial release. Personally I've not had many major issues in the more recent releases. The worst years were around the time Mojave and Yosemite came out.
Ok. followed the instructions you guys posted here. Went into macos recovery and just selected "reinstall macos" and as i expected it would, it just reinstalled the SAME build. So i am still on 5059b and still have the same problem with little snitch.
You might want to try the other solution mentioned in the forum. Go under the Apple menu to System Settings and go to filters under the Network setting. You will find the source(s) of your problem there. Turn them off and your internet should work good again.
Yeh i had already done that. The problem is, i am uncomfortable running without little snitch for security/privacy reasons.
How did you manage to get it to install the PREVIOUS build of macos by just selecting "reinstall macos" in recovery mode?
I have absolutely no idea. All I know is that I'm being told I have a software update available on both computers. My Mac Studio is running Cisco Anyconnect just fine with no effect on my internet connection.
The macos firewall doesn't give granular control of connections like LS does. I use little snitch to protect my data and privacy from apps that are invasive.
Mac OS is based off of Darwin that is based off of BSD.
jkev57 noted: "You might want to try the other solution mentioned in the forum. Go under the Apple menu to System Settings and go to filters under the Network setting. You will find the source(s) of your problem there. Turn them off and your internet should work good again."
Note that I saw Tripmode in there along with some kind of generic "VPN." Killed them both, along with some Cyber Ghost settings. Not sure what worked, but it seems that nuking everything in that area will eventually get you back to being a modern Mac on a network! Thanks, everyone here for sorting this out!
Note that I saw Tripmode in there along with some kind of generic "VPN." Killed them both, along with some Cyber Ghost settings. Not sure what worked, but it seems that nuking everything in that area will eventually get you back to being a modern Mac on a network! Thanks, everyone here for sorting this out!
Hmm anything special I need to do? I tried to reinstall via the recovery menu but after agreeing to the terms, etc., it informed me that my HDD could not be downgraded. I guess I'll see if I can manually download the beta prior and go from there.
If it matters, I'm using the Pub. version as opposed to the Dev. version.
I have Ventura at work, and I HATE the IOS versions of system preferences.
So I have Ventura, I use Ventura , I installed it on my machine at work, however the computers I own...Ventura is NOT being installed on any of them.
So more like...I went into a new completed house and hated the layout so I am not going to buy it.
I have had to remove both Intego and/or eSet (tried both). The firewalls from both killed off network connectivity (wired and wireless) and thus blocked me being able to run any of the package updates (will cause you to continue to get 'can't connect to the internet' errors). Will have to wait until the publishers release fixed software.
Apple today released the fourth beta of macOS Ventura 13.4 to developers, and it appears that there are some issues with content filtering apps like Little Snitch, Radio Silence, and others.
After installing the beta, some users on the MacRumors forums and on Twitter had problems with network connectivity, and managed to narrow it down to interference with firewall apps. MacRumors reader Grant, for example, saw his network cycling on and off repeatedly until he uninstalled Little Snitch.
Twitter user @Aaronp613 had an issue with his Mac disconnecting after updating and he was able to fix it by turning off Radio Silence.
Mac users who are having problems with network connectivity after installing macOS Ventura 13.4 beta 4 should disable their network filtering apps. Those who are concerned about not being able to use the apps for the time being should avoid installing the latest beta for now.
Article Link: PSA: Latest macOS Ventura 13.4 Beta Doesn't Play Nice With Content Filter Apps
To that end though, as this is beta software, the publishers do have a right to stand by a policy of not releasing updates until the version goes gold (or RTM).
I have the issue with no internet filters that I know of. I do not have Little Snitch. The only network filtering software I have installed is LuLu, but it was and is currently disabled. Rebooting in Safe Mode made it better, and it seemed to improve throughout today. But it is still bad after 12 hours – loading web pages may take 2 or 3 tries, checking email takes 30 seconds instead of the usual 5, Feedback Assistant can sometimes load but never Submit.
Does anyone know of some internet filter I might have installed that could be active in Safe Mode?
Until the cause of the issue is identified, end users will need to disable filtering and other options to ensure stable networking. I am unsure if this is an Apple issue but rather a change in the networking function within the OS that has broken the filtering add ons. Little Snitch doesn't work, VPN works but without LS filtering. In some cases you may find yourself in a installation loop in LS.
Hope this can be addressed quickly as its a bit of a pain but to be expected given the beta nature of this point release.
Hope this can be addressed quickly as its a bit of a pain but to be expected given the beta nature of this point release.
I don't think Apple's overseers, whomever they may be, are happy that users can see or block content on their own.
What the heck good is a closed platform if Apple does not have full control.
You’re trying to imply that Apple isn’t allowed to modify their firewall implementation that breaks these utilities that provide outboard internet filters? Guess we will have to see if this is just fixed on the RC up next. It could be.
MacOS data logs sent to Apple has nothing to do with AI. But yes multiple occurrences flags some problem that warrant review of what’s occurring.
Good point, I was actually thinking about how they analyze that data after receiving it. AI would be a good application to filter, sort, etc. the data. That is Apple had good AI.
On thing that Microsoft finally cracked a few years back, was rolling back an update quickly. This really helped with the 'insiders' program.
Apple has all the infra in place to do it - filesystems with containers etc, but nothing user-facing. That would really really help.
Even just being able to reinstall the previous version would be a help!
Apple has all the infra in place to do it - filesystems with containers etc, but nothing user-facing. That would really really help.
Even just being able to reinstall the previous version would be a help!
On the subject of rolling back the update, after I realized the problem yesterday, I began the steps to restore from Time Machine from the night before. (I did not start the update until the morning.) Oddly, I thought, even though my Time Machine disk was connected, the system only gave me one choice of backups, which was the one from the night before. It mentioned that it was in a "Local Cache" I think. But since this was the backup I wanted anyhow, I began the Restore. To my surprise, the Restore completed in less than 5 seconds. But to my dismay, it did not fix the problem, and when I checked my macOS build number, it was the new Beta 4 build number. I checked for exclusions in System Settings > Time Machine and found that all the exclusions were in my Home Folder. Why was the old macOS not restored? At least for me, Time Machine is not backing up macOS on my 2020 M1 MacBook Air. Also, the option to Restore macOS is titled Restore macOS Ventura Beta, even after switching off the beta in System Settings > Software Update. If Apple fixes this in Beta 5, I don't know how I'm going to get it because I can't imagine this Mac getting a successful large download in its current condition. It looks like I can go neither forward nor backward.
Repeating from my previous post, I do not know of any internet filters on my Mac, and in fact I am running in Safe Mode. I think that this issue may be exacerbated by internet filters, but users without internet filters can still be affected.
Repeating from my previous post, I do not know of any internet filters on my Mac, and in fact I am running in Safe Mode. I think that this issue may be exacerbated by internet filters, but users without internet filters can still be affected.
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The restore form time machine will only reinstall the existing build. It does not allow you to roll back to a previous build of MacOS. For that you need to downgrade the IPSW and DFU restore which is a ball ache.
You could use internet recovery to reinstall the latest stable build, or just wait for the next beta build (which is what i am doing).
I don't believe for one second that this was intentional of apple and that they are making some change. I am 100% in the camp that they have massively dropped the ball and f***ked up big time. That a company the size and with the resources of Apple dont pick up a HUGE bug like this in internal testing, just beggars belief.
I am happy to be corrected, but after speaking to the devs at little snitch, they told me it is a bug in the OS and having inspected their code, there is nothing they can change.