Carrier PSA: Verizon works on T-Mobile and AT&T iPhone 6

[rigormortis]

I know that's what it is (it's actuallly one digit removed), but the point is the phone only reports its MEID as an MEID if the CDMA radios are enabled.

Also, at least for my unlocked AT&T iPhone 6, this page strongly suggests Verizon can activate service on it: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/nso/enterDeviceId.do?&zipRdr=y

I tried entering my imei number on that page and it said not supported .
The point Im trying to make is that the CDMA radio is enabled in the iphone 6
Heck, my Tmobile iPad air also has an MEID.
When the iPad Air was released, it was widely reported that verizon simcards will work in any ipad air
Because the iPad Air ( and iPad mini retina 2 ) was universal. The iPhone 6 follows the tradition !

 

[rigormortis]

i found a verizon 128gb iPhone 6 locally at a best buy .. so this will work with no issues if i throw my att sim from my 5s in there correct ?? never bought anything but att phones

Your sim card will work no problem. No issues what so ever. Ask AT&T to unlock your 5s before you sell it or give it away So it will be more useful.

 

[jetjaguar]

Your sim card will work no problem. No issues what so ever. Ask AT&T to unlock your 5s before you sell it or give it away So it will be more useful.

If I get AppleCare on it .. Will the replacements be fine as well?

 

[terraphantm]

I tried entering my imei number on that page and it said not supported .
The point Im trying to make is that the CDMA radio is enabled in the iphone 6
Heck, my Tmobile iPad air also has an MEID.
When the iPad Air was released, it was widely reported that verizon simcards will work in any ipad air
Because the iPad Air ( and iPad mini retina 2 ) was universal. The iPhone 6 follows the tradition !

Weird. Which brand is your iPhone 6 and is it unlocked?My att phone does show up on that page, and someone else here found the same.

 

[rigormortis]

Weird. Which brand is your iPhone 6 and is it unlocked?My att phone does show up on that page, and someone else here found the same.

i bought the t-mobile unlocked iPhone 6 plus full price at the apple store

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If I get AppleCare on it .. Will the replacements be fine as well?

yes, i think so. if you buy an AT&T iPhone on a contract with AT&T device financing it and all the replacements will be locked to AT&T. if you buy an AT&T iPhone full price, you need to ask AT&T to unlock it. as long as you
are out of contract and do not finance a device AT&T will unlock all your iPhone 6 phones

 

[cnotes2019]

PSA: Verizon works on T-Mobile and AT&T iPhone 6

Has anyone tried a sprint iphone 6/+ with a non sprint sim??? I know its suppose to be locked but who knows.

Or a sprint sim in another iphone 6/+...

 

[rui no onna]

Weird. Which brand is your iPhone 6 and is it unlocked?My att phone does show up on that page, and someone else here found the same.

AT&T iPhone 6 Plus purchased via Next. Has MEID but shows as not supported on the Verizon activation page. To be expected. The same thing happens with non-Verizon iPad Airs and rMinis.

 

[terraphantm]

AT&T iPhone 6 Plus purchased via Next. Has MEID but shows as not supported on the Verizon activation page. To be expected. The same thing happens with non-Verizon iPad Airs and rMinis.

Mine is an unlocked AT&T 6, and it shows up as a supported device. Maybe the lock status matters?

 

[rui no onna]

Mine is an unlocked AT&T 6, and it shows up as a supported device. Maybe the lock status matters?

I don't think so. rigormortis has an unlocked T-Mobile version and all iPads are unlocked but they're not on Verizon's database. Seriously though, it's time for both Verizon and Sprint to embrace the GSM model.

 

[terraphantm]

I don't think so. rigormortis has an unlocked T-Mobile version and all iPads are unlocked but they're not on Verizon's database. Seriously though, it's time for both Verizon and Sprint to embrace the GSM model.

Maybe it's something Verizon is phasing in, there is one other guy here who reports Verizon seeing his AT&T device.

Sprint just sucks, so I don't expect anything from them

 

[rui no onna]

Maybe it's something Verizon is phasing in, there is one other guy here who reports Verizon seeing his AT&T device.

Sprint just sucks, so I don't expect anything from them

I don't understand Verizon and Sprint.

It's already very easy for customers to switch from Verizon to GSM carriers. Since all of Verizon's LTE phones are unlocked, customers won't even need to buy new phones and that's a pretty major expense especially for those on shared family plans with 4 or more lines. T-Mobile reps, in particular, seem to be pretty well trained about Verizon phones being unlocked and usable with T-Mobile.

Once the unlock agreement is in full effect next year, the same will be true for Sprint and given the condition of Sprint's network, I think they're likely to bleed more customers than Verizon.

Now that Verizon and Sprint aren't holding the phones "hostage" by virtue of being CDMA-only and it's easy for their subscribers to switch to practically any GSM carrier, why would they not want to allow subscribers from AT&T or T-Mobile bring their compatible devices for use on Verizon or Sprint's network? They'll probably get more subscribers if people didn't need to shell out $1,200 for 4 subsidized 64GB iPhone 6 or have to deal with a $300+ monthly bill for EDGE.

 

[terraphantm]

I don't understand Verizon and Sprint.

It's already very easy for customers to switch from Verizon to GSM carriers. Since all of Verizon's LTE phones are unlocked, customers won't even need to buy new phones and that's a pretty major expense especially for those on shared family plans with 4 or more lines. T-Mobile reps, in particular, seem to be pretty well trained about Verizon phones being unlocked and usable with T-Mobile.

Once the unlock agreement is in full effect next year, the same will be true for Sprint and given the condition of Sprint's network, I think they're likely to bleed more customers than Verizon.

Now that Verizon and Sprint aren't holding the phones "hostage" by virtue of being CDMA-only and it's easy for their subscribers to switch to practically any GSM carrier, why would they not want to allow subscribers from AT&T or T-Mobile bring their compatible devices for use on Verizon or Sprint's network? They'll probably get more subscribers if people didn't need to shell out $1,200 for 4 subsidized 64GB iPhone 6 or have to deal with a $300+ monthly bill for EDGE.

I agree with you completely. It's an antiquated policy that appears to hurt them more than it helps them.

Just post a screenshot and blur out the number. The letters "MEID" would still be visible.

 

[rigormortis]

AT&T iPhone 6 Plus purchased via Next. Has MEID but shows as not supported on the Verizon activation page. To be expected. The same thing happens with non-Verizon iPad Airs and rMinis.

ignore all activation pages. take a verizon sim card out of another device that already has service, stick it in the iPhone. and as long as its an unlocked iPhone 6, it will magically become a verizon iPhone. but like i said before. verizon will never like your serial number. but calls, data, and everything else works.. because its basically just your sim card talking to the network

 

[rui no onna]

ignore all activation pages. take a verizon sim card out of another device that already has service, stick it in the iPhone. and as long as its an unlocked iPhone 6, it will magically become a verizon iPhone. but like i said before. verizon will never like your serial number. but calls, data, and everything else works.. because its basically just your sim card talking to the network

Nah. It'll just say Invalid SIM (phone locked to AT&T).

 

[Winona Northdakota]

PSA: Verizon works on T-Mobile and AT&T iPhone 6

My iPhone 5S doesn't show voice over LTE as an option, but my iPhone 6 does. I don't live in a VoLTE market. So it looks like Apple is limiting the feature to the new phones.

Just because you don't live in a VoLTE market doesn't mean AT&T is limiting VoLTE to newer phones. According to AT&T, it must be set up on your account:

HD Voice has limited availability in select markets. Deployment ongoing. HD Voice Requirements: To experience HD Voice, both parties on the call must have an AT&T HD Voice-capable device with a SIM type of UICC-G and higher, be located in an AT&T HD Voice coverage area with a phone number based within an HD Voice coverage area, and have HD Voice set up on their AT&T account. The following features/services are currently incompatible with HD Voice service: prepaid service, Smart Limits, Ringback Tones, and OfficeDirect and OfficeReach (for business customers). HD Voice will be available at no additional cost. Demo provides example of actual HD Voice call. Results not guaranteed.

 

[taedouni]

That information does not apply to the iphone 6. It's cdma radio is not disabled. The story about how apple disables cdma in gsm iphones became obsolete the day the iPhone. 6 came out. The CDMA issue only applies to iphone 5 , 5c, and 5s.

Wrong. CDMA requires a carrier to have that device programmed for them to use. Non Verizon phones are NOT programmed to be used on their network. It's a two way street. Using your logic would mean that a Verizon phone would work on sprint because Verizon is unlocked.

 

[rui no onna]

Wrong. CDMA requires a carrier to have that device programmed for them to use. Non Verizon phones are NOT programmed to be used on their network. It's a two way street. Using your logic would mean that a Verizon phone would work on sprint because Verizon is unlocked.

CDMA can be provisioned via SIM card, too.

I believe this may be what Verizon has been doing for their newer LTE phones. If CDMA service was linked to ESN/MEID instead of SIM card, what would happen if you switch a Verizon SIM from one Verizon phone to a new Verizon phone is calls and text will go to the old phone while data will go to the new phone.

By the way, on Android forums, I have seen reports of people getting their Verizon phones working on Sprint (or at least Virgin Mobile) if they get a nice CSR who's willing to put the ESN of the Verizon phone in their database.

 

[Winona Northdakota]

PSA: Verizon works on T-Mobile and AT&T iPhone 6

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[rigormortis]

Wrong. CDMA requires a carrier to have that device programmed for them to use. Non Verizon phones are NOT programmed to be used on their network. It's a two way street. Using your logic would mean that a Verizon phone would work on sprint because Verizon is unlocked.

yeah umm when i stick my verizon sim card in my 4G LTE IPHONE 6 PLUS that is meant to be sold as a t-mobile phone. i do not have to have it programmed by verizon. it just works. because the iPhone 6 is apparently smart enough to program itself. I've been testing this a little bit each day since the 19th

the LTE issue blurs CDMA programming. because verizon and sprint are using the SIM card to authenticate the device to the network. its a little wishy washy. when you say that the CDMA requires the carrier to have that device programmed to use, you are talking about STRICT CDMA devices that have no sim cards. once you put a sim card in the mixture. everything is foggy, as you might remember from the iPad air, verizon will work on any iPad you bring to their network. sprint will activate iPads that made for other networks , if you can prove you purchased the universal part and show them a receipt saying you bought it from the apple store.

yeah i never stated that verizon phones would work on sprint. or visa versa. now that we have the iPhone 6 i would be willing to try it


if you believe i am wrong. kindly explain to me why my T MOBILE unlocked IPHONE 6 PLUS works for verizon as soon as i stick in a verizon sim card out of my iPhone 5 and put it in my iPhone 6., and i am able to call Diamond Dan's Wrestling Hotline using CDMA, buddy. ( 317 355 HOTT)

I AM ALL EARS. I am waiting for your explanation on how this not programed for verzon iPhone is WORKING for verizon. CDMA WORKS , VOLTE WORKS, and VISUAL VOICE MAIL WORKS.

when i say foggy i mean that if i take my iPhone 5 for verizon. and remove the sim card, and it will refuse to operate at all on verizons network. its dead the world. even if i take it to a partner carrier, like Golden State Cellular near Angels Camp that has no LTE at ALL and is STRICTLY 1xrtt / 3g., no SIM no service. the phone cannot call out.

jf your argument that the CDMA has to be provisioned was 100 % true , and i was wrong, then you think the CDMA radio would still work without a sim card....'

i think this whole CDMA programming issue is obsolete, when you talk about LTE. i think the only reason we have sprint phones is because sprint told apple thats how they want it, and apple agreed. from the looks of my experiments, you only have to have the correct IMEI/MEID to have the sim card activated. once the sim card is activated it will work with any unlocked iPhone 6 because they are all universal now. except maybe sprint

when i go to my verizon.com and look at my device on the iPhone 5. it just says the sim card. there is no mention on the meid. when i put it in the iPhone 6. the iPhone 5 graphic is replaced by NON VZW DEVICE. my verizon shows no evidence what so ever that the CDMA is provisioned. yet the CDMA radio works

 

[terraphantm]

Just because you don't live in a VoLTE market doesn't mean AT&T is limiting VoLTE to newer phones. According to AT&T, it must be set up on your account:

HD Voice has limited availability in select markets. Deployment ongoing. HD Voice Requirements: To experience HD Voice, both parties on the call must have an AT&T HD Voice-capable device with a SIM type of UICC-G and higher, be located in an AT&T HD Voice coverage area with a phone number based within an HD Voice coverage area, and have HD Voice set up on their AT&T account. The following features/services are currently incompatible with HD Voice service: prepaid service, Smart Limits, Ringback Tones, and OfficeDirect and OfficeReach (for business customers). HD Voice will be available at no additional cost. Demo provides example of actual HD Voice call. Results not guaranteed.

Att isn't limiting it. Apple is

5S doesn't have this menu:

 

[Winona Northdakota]

PSA: Verizon works on T-Mobile and AT&T iPhone 6

yeah umm when i stick my verizon sim card in my 4G LTE IPHONE 6 PLUS that is meant to be sold as a t-mobile phone. i do not have to have it programmed by verizon. it just works. because the iPhone 6 is apparently smart enough to program itself. I've been testing this a little bit each day since the 19th

the LTE issue blurs CDMA programming. because verizon and sprint are using the SIM card to authenticate the device to the network. its a little wishy washy. when you say that the CDMA requires the carrier to have that device programmed to use, you are talking about STRICT CDMA devices that have no sim cards. once you put a sim card in the mixture. everything is foggy, as you might remember from the iPad air, verizon will work on any iPad you bring to their network. sprint will activate iPads that made for other networks , if you can prove you purchased the universal part and show them a receipt saying you bought it from the apple store.

yeah i never stated that verizon phones would work on sprint. or visa versa. now that we have the iPhone 6 i would be willing to try it


if you believe i am wrong. kindly explain to me why my T MOBILE unlocked IPHONE 6 PLUS works for verizon as soon as i stick in a verizon sim card out of my iPhone 5 and put it in my iPhone 6., and i am able to call Diamond Dan's Wrestling Hotline using CDMA, buddy. ( 317 355 HOTT)

I AM ALL EARS. I am waiting for your explanation on how this not programed for verzon iPhone is WORKING for verizon. CDMA WORKS , VOLTE WORKS, and VISUAL VOICE MAIL WORKS.

when i say foggy i mean that if i take my iPhone 5 for verizon. and remove the sim card, and it will refuse to operate at all on verizons network. its dead the world. even if i take it to a partner carrier, like Golden State Cellular near Angels Camp that has no LTE at ALL and is STRICTLY 1xrtt / 3g., no SIM no service. the phone cannot call out.

jf your argument that the CDMA has to be provisioned was 100 % true , and i was wrong, then you think the CDMA radio would still work without a sim card....'

i think this whole CDMA programming issue is obsolete, when you talk about LTE. i think the only reason we have sprint phones is because sprint told apple thats how they want it, and apple agreed. from the looks of my experiments, you only have to have the correct IMEI/MEID to have the sim card activated. once the sim card is activated it will work with any unlocked iPhone 6 because they are all universal now. except maybe sprint

when i go to my verizon.com and look at my device on the iPhone 5. it just says the sim card. there is no mention on the meid. when i put it in the iPhone 6. the iPhone 5 graphic is replaced by NON VZW DEVICE. my verizon shows no evidence what so ever that the CDMA is provisioned. yet the CDMA radio works

From what I understand, it must be an already active Verizon SIM for it to work. Verizon still isn't allowing new non-Verizon purchased iPhone owners to walk into a Verizon store and get a SIM card and activate it with their non-Verizon purchased iPhone.

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Att isn't limiting it. Apple is



5S doesn't have this menu:



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No. The baseband carrier update and Modem firmware comes from the phone company, not Apple.

 

[terraphantm]

No. The baseband carrier update and Modem firmware comes from the phone company, not Apple.Image

Baseband software (aka modem firmware) does come from Apple. The carrier settings come from the carrier, but they cannot enable a feature that Apple doesn't allow. For example, back in the day the iPhone 2G never got MMS even though the hardware was perfectly capable of sending/receiving them.

Go to this page: http://store.apple.com/us/iphone/family/iphone/compare

Apple clearly shows VoLTE is only available on the 6 and 6 plus. They're not enabling it on the 5S

 

[Winona Northdakota]

Baseband software (aka modem firmware) does come from Apple. The carrier settings come from the carrier, but they cannot enable a feature that Apple doesn't allow. For example, back in the day the iPhone 2G never got MMS even though the hardware was perfectly capable of sending/receiving them.



Go to this page: http://store.apple.com/us/iphone/family/iphone/compare



Apple clearly shows VoLTE is only available on the 6 and 6 plus. They're not enabling it on the 5S

True, You are correct, Apple is not enabling it at this time. Has there been any official indication as to why? Is is an agreement with phone companies? Apple may enable it once VoLTE is more established.

 

[terraphantm]

True, You are correct, Apple is not enabling it at this time. Has there been any official indication as to why? Is is an agreement with phone companies? Apple may enable it once VoLTE is more established.

My gut feeling is product discrimination. As far as I know, there's no reason the 5S hardware shouldn't be able to support it, and iOS 8 clearly supports it too. It is possible they could change their minds with iOS 8.1 if the carriers put some pressure on them (especially since Verizon wants to start selling LTE only phones in 2016)

Might be one of those things that can be enabled via jailbreak, but it may be a pain getting a carrier to provision the account for it in such a case.

 

[Winona Northdakota]

My gut feeling is product discrimination. As far as I know, there's no reason the 5S hardware shouldn't be able to support it, and iOS 8 clearly supports it too. It is possible they could change their minds with iOS 8.1 if the carriers put some pressure on them (especially since Verizon wants to start selling LTE only phones in 2016)



Might be one of those things that can be enabled via jailbreak, but it may be a pain getting a carrier to provision the account for it in such a case.

I think I found an explanation, battery life. VoLTE is power hungry and chews through battery. Oh, well.